January 2002 - cypherpunks-legacy

Responding to your message
by Congressman Bob Clement 13 Jan '02

13 Jan '02

Dear Friend, Thank you for contacting me. It is good to hear from you. I am trying my best to represent Tennessee values in our nation's Capitol, and your views are most appreciated. If you included your full address, I will be able to respond to your mail. However, if you did not include a full address, please resend the email with the proper information. I look forward to hearing from you again in the future. Sincerely, Bob Clement Member of Congress

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Thank you for contacting me.
by NJ13, Public 13 Jan '02

13 Jan '02

> Thank you for writing to me via e-mail. If you have included your full > name and address, and if you are in my Congressional District, you should > receive a response via U.S. mail. I respond via U.S. mail both because I > want to preserve the personal touch of a letter, and because of the ease > with which e-mails can be altered after-the-fact. A hard copy, on > official letterhead, and with my signature, ensures the permanent > integrity of my response to you. Also, because my office receives e-mails > from around the nation, I must limit my responses to my home district. > This ensures the resources of my office are devoted to my constituents. > Thank you very much for taking the time to contact me. >

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Out of Office AutoReply: Citigroup salvage session
by Pubhastings, Alcee 13 Jan '02

13 Jan '02

Thank you for contacting me via e-mail. I appreciate hearing from you and knowing of your views on issues that affect our nation. Be assured, I am listening carefully to the views of the people of Florida's 23rd District and will make my decisions in the House of Representatives accordingly. Unfortunately, due to the large volume of e-mail that my office receives, it is impossible to answer each one personally. If you do reside in the 23rd District of Florida and would like a direct response to your concerns, please write to me by regular mail at 2235 Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC, 20515. Again, thank you so much for contacting me. With kind regards, I remain, Alcee L. Hastings Member of Congress

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RE: Citigroup salvage session
by Gephardt, Richard 13 Jan '02

13 Jan '02

Thank you for your e-mail. I appreciate hearing from you. Due to the high volume of e-mails my office receives, I cannot guarantee a response to every message. However, if you reside in the Third Congressional District of Missouri, which I represent, and would like a written response, please resubmit your comments through http://www.house.gov/writerep. I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. If you reside in the Third Congressional District of Missouri and wish to request Capitol/White House tours, or if you have a problem with a Federal agency, please contact one of my congressional offices. St. Louis: (314) 894-3400 Washington, D.C.: (202) 225-2671 Festus: (636) 937-6399

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RE: Citigroup salvage session
by Wu, David 13 Jan '02

13 Jan '02

Thank you for contacting me. I appreciate you taking the time to express your views. Due to the high volume of e-mails from around the country, I have changed how my constituents can e-mail me. Please visit http://www.house.gov/wu to send me a message. Sincerely, David Wu

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would an American shoot a fellow American?
by Anonymous 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

At 08:49 AM 1/13/02 +1100, mattd wrote: >The question "would an American shoot a fellow American?" is >not a recent one Only after some Amerikans have disarmed most Americans would some Amerikans have the nerve. They're working on it. --- Otto A.K. Sear

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Northern Light discontinues free Web search
by Greg Newby 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

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12 Jan '02

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Re: [Reformatted] Burning down the olympics
by Eric Cordian 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

Peter Trei writes: > > "I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about > > American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, > > and the Americans know it." > > --Ariel Sharon > > October 3, 2001 > I don't recall hearing about this remark on the news at > the time, and I suspect I would have. A Google search > turns up a number of cites, but they are all on white > supremacist or anti-Isreal sites. The original source is > the Islamic Association for Palestine site: I got 256 hits on Google. The original source is apparently Israel Radio in Hebrew, Col Yisrael, commenting on Sharon's remarks, although of course it has received wide coverage in the Arab press and on white supremicist sites. I see not a single denial. > Regardless of what Sharon may or may not believe, I > don't think he could have said this without the major > media jumping all over it, in the way that Bush > recently got pinged for referring to the people > of Pakistan as 'Pakis' (a racial slur in Britain). I don't know. Accusations of antisemitism in the US are extremely vicious and business destroying, and mainstream newspapers will generally not print anything which might cause them to be so labeled. "Pakis" and other maligned groups do not generally enjoy this special dispensation. As Gore Vidal is fond of saying, there is considerably more freedom to criticize Israel in Israel, than there is to criticize Israel in the United States. > Of course, one could take the self-fullfiling viewpoint > that the fact that this quote only appears in extreme > fringe publications is simply proof of total Jewish control > of the major media. I prefer to apply Occam's Razor. I'm kind of torn here. I certainly don't wish to adopt the position that nothing is credible that doesn't get mainstream media coverage. But you are right that it's a bit suspicious. When the false story was planted that CNN had used archived footage to simulate Palestinians celebrating the WTC flattening, the denials were swift, even though the story had only appeared on the Internet. I see no denials of this even more widely reported story, and I find that suspicious too. Newspapers regularly refuse even well-written op-ed pieces which point out Israel's warts. One recalls the recent firings of Managing Editor Jean Ryan and City Editor Dale Seth from the Oneida Daily Dispatch for daring to place the word "Jewish" preceeding the word "terrorist" in an editorial about Israel's formation, one of American Journalism's many unwritten taboos about coverage of Israel. I'm going to go out on a limb here, and say that Sharon's remarks were probably quoted accurately, based on a preponderance of the evidence, even though, as you point out, they were not repeated in the New York Times, or even in the Oneida Daily Dispatch. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Israel's control of the U.S. -- and debunking rumors
by Declan McCullagh 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

I just did a lexis-nexis search on: "Jewish people control America and the Americans know it" AND date aft 9/10/2001 Eric Cordian's claim is false. There is a discussion of that alleged quote in what appears to be the editorial pages ofthe Omaha World-Herald on October 1, 2001 -- two days before Cordian claims Sharon said it. Did Cordian's source get the date wrong but the quote right? Well, here's an excerpt from that discussion: >>> With reference to Bruce Malina's question (Oct. 27 Pulse) as to why Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's statement to Foreign Minister Shimon Peres wasn't reported in the U.S. media: The answer is that it is difficult to believe that any Israeli leader could be so stupid as to say, "We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." Mr. Malina uses a very suspect source, the Washington Report of Oct. 3. The Washington Report is a monthly magazine influenced by Andy Kilgore, who had been U.S. ambassador to several Arab countries. This magazine provides the most obsessive pro-Arab and anti-Israeli reading in the United States. An example of its bias is an article in its April-May 1992 issue that suggests that John F. Kennedy was assassinated by the Mossad so that Lyndon Johnson, who was considered to be pro-Israel, could become president. <<< The quote also appears in an Oct. 13 bylined article in The Tallahassee Democrat: >>> So how does Israel, in turn, show its reliability as a friend to the United States? To answer that question, we turn to an Oct. 3 report from the Palestinian Information Center in occupied Jerusalem. According to this report, an argument broke out during a recent Israeli Cabinet session between Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and his foreign minister, Shimon Peres. Peres had warned Sharon that if they didn't heed America's request for a cease-fire with the Palestinians it would endanger Israeli interests and turn the United States against them. At which point, a furious Sharon reportedly told Peres, "Every time we do something, you tell me that America will do this or do that. I want to tell you something very clear. Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." <<< No other newspapers matched that search phrase. Whatever Sharon's true feelings, the provenance of that quote seems especially dubious. If you believe otherwise, I have some 1,000:1 compression software to sell you. -Declan On Fri, Jan 11, 2002 at 04:24:09PM -0500, Trei, Peter wrote: > > Eric Cordian[SMTP:emc@artifact.psychedelic.net] wrote: > > > > "I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about > > American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, > > and the Americans know it." > > --Ariel Sharon > > October 3, 2001 > > > Eric: > > I don't recall hearing about this remark on the news at > the time, and I suspect I would have. A Google search > turns up a number of cites, but they are all on white > supremacist or anti-Isreal sites. The original source is > the Islamic Association for Palestine site: > http://www.iap.org. The message is archived at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/iapinfo/message/2132 > > Are there any major media citations in any country? > If not, I suspect that this is a manufactured quote, > like the ones we saw a few years ago where Janet > Reno was alleged to indicate that Christians weren't > good citizens. > > Regardless of what Sharon may or may not believe, I > don't think he could have said this without the major > media jumping all over it, in the way that Bush > recently got pinged for referring to the people > of Pakistan as 'Pakis' (a racial slur in Britain). > > Of course, one could take the self-fullfiling viewpoint > that the fact that this quote only appears in extreme > fringe publications is simply proof of total Jewish control > of the major media. I prefer to apply Occam's Razor. > > Peter Trei > > > > > > > > > ============================================================================ > ================ > This e-mail, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended > solely for the addressee(s) and are PRIVILEGED and > CONFIDENTIAL. Access by any other party is unauthorized without the express > prior written permission of the sender. If > you have received this e-mail in error you may not copy, disclose to any > third party or use the contents, attachments or > information in any way, Please delete all copies of the e-mail and the > attachment(s), if any and notify the sender. > Thank You. > ============================================================================ > ================

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