September 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Cato's David Boaz Responds To Ban On Knives
by Matthew Gaylor 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

At 10:23 AM -0400 9/26/01, David Boaz <dboaz(a)cato.org> wrote: >Dear Mr. Gaylor: > >You know, I might even agree with you on this one. When you've got 100 >employees writing hundreds of articles, it's hard to agree with every clause >of every article. And I might even be willing to engage you in dialogue >about it if you hadn't encouraged every person with an email account to >flood my inbox with messages -- as if the justice of a position was >determined by the number of angry emails it generates. That's not my idea >of rational debate. > >Also, next time you attack us, could you spell our name right? > >David Boaz Matthew Gaylor responds: I would hope it's not a debatable point when your Director of Defense Policy, Ivan Eland thinks victim disarmament is a good idea when he states "The ban against sharp metal objects (i.e., knives) aboard aircraft is a good one." [See <http://www.cato.org/current/terrorism/pubs/eland-010920.html>]. I think libertarian economist Walter Williams has the correct, and libertarian attitude when he wrote: "The new air safety regulations are consistent with today's anti-crime strategies: If people commit crimes with guns, call for gun control; if people commit crimes with knives, call for knife control. Current law prohibits pilots from having guns to protect their crew and passengers. That law should be changed. Instead of meekly going along with the FAA's new, costly, oppressive and stupid safety regulations, Americans should rebel against them. Are we so timid and feminized that we'll accept anything politicians do in the name of safety?" See: <http://www.townhall.com/columnists/walterwilliams/ww20010926.shtml>. So my question to Mr. Eland is why is he willing to accept FAA regulations over freedom? And isn't Ben Franklin still right when he wrote: "They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."? Regards, Matt- {Note this message is being sent to Freematt's Alerts, multiple thousands of subscribers worldwide.} ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ **************************************************************************

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RE: Mind control: U.S. Measures May Incite Domestic Terror
by Subcommander Bob 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

At 11:21 PM 9/25/01 -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: >> >> And who would be "we" ? And who are "they" ? > >We - The People. >They - Anybody that has expressed a sincere desire to blow "the people" up >and has warranted a threat-rating. Clue: your herders, the USG, wants to blow you up (if male between 18-25). Or if you have an alternate religion, pharmacist, number of spouses, bankers, etc. The USG wants to blow you up if you're palestinian and want your land back. The USG wants to blow you up if you're impeding the USG interests inside your homeland. The USG has become Britain of 200+ years ago. Or Rome of 2000+. With all the consequences. >I am speaking in the context of U.S. domestic organizations with terrorist >inclinations, not OBL and his like, of course. So am I. >Some proposals fit into the apocalyptic visions of some groups. Shades of >PROJECT MEGIDDO and so forth. Well write it up in your thesis, or your report to your handlers. How many 'groups' do you monitor 'Ms. Aimee'? ....... Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. -- Henry Spencer

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Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...
by Tim May 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 12:06 AM, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: > Unless you live in an apartment, and they have the permission of the > landlord... > > Actually, in that case, could they not get the landlord to unlock the > apartment door for them, if "permission to enter" is granted in your > lease? What are the warrant requirements for this? The Fourth still applies, even to hotel and motel residents (where the owner of course enters on a daily basis). If it did not apply, then entire hotels and motels and apartment buildings would be swept for contraband, illegal sex material, drugs, guns, etc. There was a controversial case in Chicago, which may still be pending, where the Housing Authority (?) was proposing to sweep the apartments it administered for guns. Civil libertarians pointed out the issues. --Tim May

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26 Sep '01

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Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...
by Nomen Nescio 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

Tim's idea of a closed circuit TV is the best approach, and something I've been thinking of for a long time. By far the best way to interact with anyone you didn't want around. You'd want to couple it with a computerized voice interface that made it sound, at least, that they were dealing with a machine. "State your full name" "Face the camera" "Turn face left" "Turn face right" "Hold ID up to camera" "State business" and at some point a speaker off to the side or behind them could emit the distinct sound of a 12ga pump action being being worked, followed by a: "Leave property now"

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RE: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...
by Subcommander Bob 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

At 11:03 PM 9/25/01 -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: > >It is discouraging to see the disdain in which many of you hold the FBI >during a time when we need cooperation and insight from nontraditional >sources. > Fuck yourself, or put on a red white and blue thong, hop a flight, and spread them for the Saudi king.

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Re: MIME-encoded PGP / GPG signatures (again)
by Declan McCullagh 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:41:18PM -0700, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: > Actually, I'm on this particular list partially because of the MIME > stripping policy. I'm very happy with it, and I suspect many others are. > If you aren't happy with it, feel free to run your own node. Choate can > give you the details on that. Well put. This reflects my sentiments as well. Many of us use lne.com, a well-run service, and enjoy how its policy of stripping MIME attachments. Feel free to subscribe to another cypherpunks node and merrily be as MIMEful as you like, but don't be surprised if everyone else ignores you. -Declan

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RE: Preparedness
by Trei, Peter 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

> dmolnar[SMTP:dmolnar@hcs.harvard.edu] wrote: > > A cabbie a few days ago mentioned something about a 2.5 hour wait to get > through tunnels; he claimed they were searching *all* the cars. I don't > know if this is still in effect. I know that my roommate and I made it out > of the city through a tunnel, without being stopped, last Friday. > > -David > I don't know if David is posting from Cambridge/Boston, but on the 15th I drove through the Callahan tunnel (major road tunnel under the harbor, and main route to Boston airport). No stops, no noticable extra security. Peter

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RE: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking
by An Metet 26 Sep '01

26 Sep '01

Meyer wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, Aimee Farr wrote: >> It is discouraging to see the disdain in which many of you hold the FBI >> during a time when we need cooperation and insight from nontraditional >> sources. > >Dearest Aimee, > >It's discouraging that the FBI has, though its own actions, time and time >again, earned this disdain in which many of us hold it. > >Trust is not something given lightly. And once lost, it is rarely >regained. What cause do any of us have to trust in the FBI and cooperate >with it now? Don't believe in the "common enemy" fallacy. That's for sure. In fact, the FBI (and all other TLA's) are just as much terrorists as the people who did up the WTC, and for all I know, they *were* the ones who did up the WTC. At any rate, the USG is by far the greatest threat to the peace and freedom of Americans in the world today. Fuck them and all other LEO. If I saw a cop being kicked to death by some dirt balls on the side of the road, I sure wouldn't interfere or ever testify against them. Get real Aimee -- death to all pigs, judges, prosecutors, and all their ilk.

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