September 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Gnutella remailers
by A. Melon 04 Sep '01

04 Sep '01

> I know this suggestion has been made before, probably by myself, but it > seems the remailer programmers may be missing a good opportunity in not > pursuing the inclusion of remailer code in the popular Gnutella cleints > (e.g., LimeWire). They advertise they are looking for new "content > communities." http://www.limewire.com/index.jsp/formgroup I don't see any > reason why email can't be added as a new form of content. Remailers are trickier than other P2P applications because of the problem of sending the mail out. If one of the P2P users gets "volunteered" to be the outgoing portal for some harrasing mail, he won't be running the client for long. However if the recipients are restricted to users of the P2P network then this is not a problem. An anonymous email application just for P2P users would be interesting. It could be part of a continuum of applications like anonymous chat with varying degrees of real-time delivery. KNet, knet.sourceforge.net, is a new project on P2P anonymous chat. If that works, then email could be done by adding some kind of queueing feature which would hold messages for delivery until the recipient connects to the P2P network. There wouldn't be many problems with complaints about abuse because everyone would be volunteering to receive anonymous mail/chat by virtue of using the network. Probably the biggest complaint people would have is untraceable spam. It's already a nuisance with other chat systems. If the anonymous comm system has per-user traffic limits or some other way of handling spam then it could be a good basis for no holds barred discussions and data exchange.

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Please Sign This Petition - Zimbabwe
by Pieter Grobler 04 Sep '01

04 Sep '01

Zimbabwe: Stop this madness! This is a political endeavour for the sake of mankind and sanity. PLEASE DON'T BE PUT OFF IF YOU HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED A SIMILAR PETITION. DO IT AGAIN. IT'LL TAKE BUT A FEW MINUTES OF YOUR TIME FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF HUMAN RIGHTS BEING MET - IT'S THE FUTURE THAT IS AT STAKE. How to sign this petition, click on "Forward", add the addresses of all the people you know in the "To...", "Cc..." or "Bcc..." box, go to the bottom of the petition and type in your name and then "Send". We must try to get a million copies of this petition to The President of the USA at the Whitehouse. Please would every 100th person forward this to the Whitehouse address: president(a)whitehouse.gov <mailto:president@whitehouse.gov PETITION: Zimbabwe, "another jewel of Africa" is dying. Strangled by the corrupt forces, short sighted self-serving policies of the ego-maniacal dictator Robert Mugabe. Freedom, human rights and sensibility have been extinguished. Zimbabwe is becoming an unstabilising factor in the regional politics. Only drastic measures by international democracies will be able to save Zimbabwe from damnation and prevent long-term starvation and civil war in the region as experienced in the Congo. We have to ensure responsible governance for the people of Zimbabwe. The International community pleads for support to save Zimbabwe: 1. The resignation of Robert G. Mugabe 2. Free and Fair Parliamentary and Municipal Elections 3. Non interference or escalation of regional conflicts. Removal of Zimbabwean Troops from the Congo 4. Restoration of Constitutional Law in Zimbabwe 5. Obedience by the government of the day to the laws of the country. We the undersigned support this petition: Signed: 1. Peter Punungwe, Harare, Zimbabwe 2. Roger Adams, Harare 3. Paul Cumming, Bulawayo, Zimbabwe 4. Neverson Mbonga, Harare 5. George Jansen, Harare, Zimbabwe 6. Norman Kalulu 7. Cleaver Choto, Harare, Zimbabwe 8. Dilap Patel, New York NY 9. Nona Patel, Houston TX 10. James Norvelle, Cape Town, South Africa 11. Antonio Salves, Durban 12. Chipo Murapa, Harare 13. Abmerson Culverwell, London 14. Noor Singha, London, UK 15. Jemison Moyo, Bulawayo 16. Bhakta Patel, Gweru, Zimbabwe 17. Lee Watt, Harare, Zimbabwe 18. Bob Watt, Harare, Zimbabwe 19. Mary Brophy, Harare, Zimbabwe 20. Julia Lujite, Harare, Zimbabwe 21. Marlee Howie, Harare, Zimbabwe 22. Mike Howie, Harare, Zimbabwe 23. Beauty Jeche, Harare, Zimbabwe 24. Corralee Greeff, Rotherham, UK (Zimbabwean) 25. Leon Greeff, Rotherham, UK (Zimbabwean) 26. Zelda Greeff, Harare, Zimbabwe 27. Gareth Lee-Bell, London, England 28. Ewen Cameron, London, England (Zimbabwean) 29. Jessica Kennedy, London, UK (Zimbabwean) 30. Susanne Johansson, GÉteborg, Sweden 31. Alan Graham, Harare, Zimbabwe 32. Les Rule, Sandton, Gauteng, South Africa 33. Ann Thorne, Harare, Zimbabwe 34. Stuart Thorne,Barberton, South Africa 35. Ann Thorne,Barberton, South Africa 36. Keith Butler, Shamva, Zimbabwe 37. Pat Butler, Shamva, Zimbabwe 38. Anne Butler, Shamva, Zimbabwe 39. Mark Butler, Shamva, Zimbabwe 40. Lea Butler, Shamva, Zimbabwe 41. Kevin Butler, Harare, Zimbabwe 42. Corinne Butler, Harare, Zimbabwe 43. Belinda Egan, Harare, Zimbabwe 44. Elliose Burton, Harare, Zimbabwe 45. Ian Burton, Harae, Zimbabwe 46. John Egan, Harare, Zimbabwe 47. Mags Varley, Vic Falls, Zimbabwe 48. Lesley Cripps, Wiltshire, England 49. Sharon Van Rensburg, Johannesburg, RSA 50. Gill Lotter, London, UK 51. Neil Lotter, London, UK (Zimbabwean) 52. Julie-Anne Lotter, London, England (Zimbabwean) 53. 53. Melody Duff, London, UK (Zimbabwean) 54. Janine Pringle, London, UK (Zimbabwean!) 55. Trevor Man, London, UK 56. Chris Edgar, Tengwe, Zimbabwe 57. Shelley Burgis, Armidale, Australia 58. Jason Barr, Exiled in Australia (Zimbabwean) 59. Vicky Barr, Zimbabwean in Greece 60. Mandi Burke, Zimbabwean in Israel 61. Alex Fraser-Kirk, Sydney Australia 62. Jann Thompson, Congleton, UK 63. Lara Warburton, Manchester, UK 64. Laurel Milwid, Manchester, UK 65. Matthew Milwid, Manchester, UK 66. George McGhie, Zimbabwe 67. Sally Ann McGhie, Zimbabwe 68. Elizabeth Louw, Zimbabwe 69. Keith J.Lindsay, Midrand, South Africa 70. Kathryn J. Lindsay, Midrand, South Africa 71. Stephen Roskilly , Gloucester UK. ex Zimbabwe 72. Lucinda Roskilly , Gloucester UK. ex Zimbabwe 73. John Lewis, Bristol, UK, (Zimbabwean) 74. Benjamin Murray, UK, (Zimbabwean) 75. Keith Murray, SA, (Zimbabwean) 75. Sarah Thompson, Harare, Zimbabwe 76. Naomi Chudy, Harare, Zimbabwe 77. John Cubitt Norwich Norfolk U.K. 78. Paul Garnett, Perth, Western Australia 79. Audrey Innes, London, UK 80. Bronwen Bawden, UK 81. Graeme Bawden, UK 82. Patty Dube, S.A 83. Denson Dube, S.A 84. Nigel Hulett, Zimbabwe 85. Gail Milford, New Zealand 86. Shane Milford, New Zealand 87. Janet Milford, Zimbabwe 88. Fred Milford, Zimbabwe 89. Charles Milford, Zimbabwe 90. Yolander Visser, Zimbabwe 91. Anton Visser, Zimbabwe 92. Serge Finck, Zimbabwe 93. Daisy Mpofu, Zimbabwe 94. Gerry P. Richardson, Zimbabwe 95. Alan Bradnick, Zimbabwe 96. Sandra A. de Klerk, Zimbabwe 97. Eria Bradnick, Zimbabwe 98. Joseph B. de Klerk, Zimbabwe 99. Bafana Mbedzi, Zimbabwe 100. Sidihiwe Masabu, Zimbabwe 1. Mable Mbedzi, Zimbabwe 2. Leo Siziba, Zimbabwe 3. Eniah Khumalo, Zimbabwe 4. Tony Furman, Zimbabwe 5. Sue Cowham, Zimbabwe 6. Lesley Thompson, Zimbabwe 7. Cheryl Hannon, South Africa 8. Trish Gooch, Zimbabwe. 9. Dom Couve, Zimbabwe 10. Chris Malujlo, South Africa 11. Mark Norman, Toowoomba, Australia 12. Clive Law-Brown, Cambridge, New Zealand 13. A.F Strauss Hamilton, New Zealand 14. S.F.Fourie, Bellville, South-Africa. 15. P K Acutt, Durban, South Africa 16. M. McGreal, Durban, South Africa 17 brian draycott Durban South Africa 18 Sybilla Draycott Durban South Africa 19 G Appleford Hillcrest South Africa 20. M.Clark Mooi River South Africa 21. Alannah Valentine, Hilton, S. Africa 22. 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Re: speech + action
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 04 Sep '01

04 Sep '01

Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> wrote : >Which is why I asked for you some actual cases. I pointed out that--so >far as I have heard--there have been _no_ prosecutions for "paramilitary >training." (There may have been some paramilitary types busted for >firing AK-47s, for trespassing, whatever. This is why I listed these as >exceptions.) > You are right. Actual cases in which the bare-assed anti-paramilitary training laws are applied are in short supply. Generally they are associated with other infractions. Do note, however that there is a consistent thread of discussing the speech and the act i.e. the manual-based "training" regarding propane cylinders and the actual posession of same. The separate items are not puniushable but together seem to imply conspiracy to commit the act. http://nwcitizen.com/publicgood/reports/bailhear.html http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/02/arizona.militia/ >Bell's AP was not one of the charges in his case. > Sure, I mention it because despite its being non-functional and unpunishable it seemed to have been brought into the courtroom with the purpose of spicing up the case. >No point in going round and round. I don't think even the U.S.G. has >this power that you think it does, and I cite the non-prosecution of >many right-wing groups as evidence. When busts have occurred, other >alleged crimes were involved, like trespassing, violations of gun laws, >etc. > You are absolutely right. Where I think you misread me is this : I don't think that the government *has* this power, I think the way the laws are written and discussed, this degree of power is something for which they reach. Mike

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Please Sign This Petition - Zimbabwe
by Pieter Grobler 04 Sep '01

04 Sep '01

Zimbabwe: Stop this madness! This is a political endeavour for the sake of mankind and sanity. PLEASE DON'T BE PUT OFF IF YOU HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED A SIMILAR PETITION. DO IT AGAIN. IT'LL TAKE BUT A FEW MINUTES OF YOUR TIME FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF HUMAN RIGHTS BEING MET - IT'S THE FUTURE THAT IS AT STAKE. How to sign this petition, click on "Forward", add the addresses of all the people you know in the "To...", "Cc..." or "Bcc..." box, go to the bottom of the petition and type in your name and then "Send". We must try to get a million copies of this petition to The President of the USA at the Whitehouse. Please would every 100th person forward this to the Whitehouse address: president(a)whitehouse.gov <mailto:president@whitehouse.gov PETITION: Zimbabwe, "another jewel of Africa" is dying. Strangled by the corrupt forces, short sighted self-serving policies of the ego-maniacal dictator Robert Mugabe. Freedom, human rights and sensibility have been extinguished. Zimbabwe is becoming an unstabilising factor in the regional politics. Only drastic measures by international democracies will be able to save Zimbabwe from damnation and prevent long-term starvation and civil war in the region as experienced in the Congo. We have to ensure responsible governance for the people of Zimbabwe. The International community pleads for support to save Zimbabwe: 1. The resignation of Robert G. Mugabe 2. Free and Fair Parliamentary and Municipal Elections 3. Non interference or escalation of regional conflicts. Removal of Zimbabwean Troops from the Congo 4. Restoration of Constitutional Law in Zimbabwe 5. Obedience by the government of the day to the laws of the country. We the undersigned support this petition: Signed: 1. Peter Punungwe, Harare, Zimbabwe 2. Roger Adams, Harare 3. Paul Cumming, Bulawayo, Zimbabwe 4. Neverson Mbonga, Harare 5. George Jansen, Harare, Zimbabwe 6. Norman Kalulu 7. Cleaver Choto, Harare, Zimbabwe 8. Dilap Patel, New York NY 9. Nona Patel, Houston TX 10. James Norvelle, Cape Town, South Africa 11. Antonio Salves, Durban 12. Chipo Murapa, Harare 13. Abmerson Culverwell, London 14. Noor Singha, London, UK 15. Jemison Moyo, Bulawayo 16. Bhakta Patel, Gweru, Zimbabwe 17. Lee Watt, Harare, Zimbabwe 18. Bob Watt, Harare, Zimbabwe 19. Mary Brophy, Harare, Zimbabwe 20. Julia Lujite, Harare, Zimbabwe 21. Marlee Howie, Harare, Zimbabwe 22. Mike Howie, Harare, Zimbabwe 23. Beauty Jeche, Harare, Zimbabwe 24. Corralee Greeff, Rotherham, UK (Zimbabwean) 25. Leon Greeff, Rotherham, UK (Zimbabwean) 26. Zelda Greeff, Harare, Zimbabwe 27. Gareth Lee-Bell, London, England 28. Ewen Cameron, London, England (Zimbabwean) 29. Jessica Kennedy, London, UK (Zimbabwean) 30. Susanne Johansson, GÉteborg, Sweden 31. Alan Graham, Harare, Zimbabwe 32. Les Rule, Sandton, Gauteng, South Africa 33. Ann Thorne, Harare, Zimbabwe 34. Stuart Thorne,Barberton, South Africa 35. Ann Thorne,Barberton, South Africa 36. Keith Butler, Shamva, Zimbabwe 37. Pat Butler, Shamva, Zimbabwe 38. Anne Butler, Shamva, Zimbabwe 39. Mark Butler, Shamva, Zimbabwe 40. Lea Butler, Shamva, Zimbabwe 41. Kevin Butler, Harare, Zimbabwe 42. Corinne Butler, Harare, Zimbabwe 43. Belinda Egan, Harare, Zimbabwe 44. Elliose Burton, Harare, Zimbabwe 45. Ian Burton, Harae, Zimbabwe 46. John Egan, Harare, Zimbabwe 47. Mags Varley, Vic Falls, Zimbabwe 48. Lesley Cripps, Wiltshire, England 49. Sharon Van Rensburg, Johannesburg, RSA 50. Gill Lotter, London, UK 51. Neil Lotter, London, UK (Zimbabwean) 52. Julie-Anne Lotter, London, England (Zimbabwean) 53. 53. Melody Duff, London, UK (Zimbabwean) 54. Janine Pringle, London, UK (Zimbabwean!) 55. Trevor Man, London, UK 56. Chris Edgar, Tengwe, Zimbabwe 57. Shelley Burgis, Armidale, Australia 58. Jason Barr, Exiled in Australia (Zimbabwean) 59. Vicky Barr, Zimbabwean in Greece 60. Mandi Burke, Zimbabwean in Israel 61. Alex Fraser-Kirk, Sydney Australia 62. Jann Thompson, Congleton, UK 63. Lara Warburton, Manchester, UK 64. Laurel Milwid, Manchester, UK 65. Matthew Milwid, Manchester, UK 66. George McGhie, Zimbabwe 67. Sally Ann McGhie, Zimbabwe 68. Elizabeth Louw, Zimbabwe 69. Keith J.Lindsay, Midrand, South Africa 70. Kathryn J. Lindsay, Midrand, South Africa 71. Stephen Roskilly , Gloucester UK. ex Zimbabwe 72. Lucinda Roskilly , Gloucester UK. ex Zimbabwe 73. John Lewis, Bristol, UK, (Zimbabwean) 74. Benjamin Murray, UK, (Zimbabwean) 75. Keith Murray, SA, (Zimbabwean) 75. Sarah Thompson, Harare, Zimbabwe 76. Naomi Chudy, Harare, Zimbabwe 77. John Cubitt Norwich Norfolk U.K. 78. Paul Garnett, Perth, Western Australia 79. Audrey Innes, London, UK 80. Bronwen Bawden, UK 81. Graeme Bawden, UK 82. Patty Dube, S.A 83. Denson Dube, S.A 84. Nigel Hulett, Zimbabwe 85. Gail Milford, New Zealand 86. Shane Milford, New Zealand 87. Janet Milford, Zimbabwe 88. Fred Milford, Zimbabwe 89. Charles Milford, Zimbabwe 90. Yolander Visser, Zimbabwe 91. Anton Visser, Zimbabwe 92. Serge Finck, Zimbabwe 93. Daisy Mpofu, Zimbabwe 94. Gerry P. Richardson, Zimbabwe 95. Alan Bradnick, Zimbabwe 96. Sandra A. de Klerk, Zimbabwe 97. Eria Bradnick, Zimbabwe 98. Joseph B. de Klerk, Zimbabwe 99. Bafana Mbedzi, Zimbabwe 100. Sidihiwe Masabu, Zimbabwe 1. Mable Mbedzi, Zimbabwe 2. Leo Siziba, Zimbabwe 3. Eniah Khumalo, Zimbabwe 4. Tony Furman, Zimbabwe 5. Sue Cowham, Zimbabwe 6. Lesley Thompson, Zimbabwe 7. Cheryl Hannon, South Africa 8. Trish Gooch, Zimbabwe. 9. Dom Couve, Zimbabwe 10. Chris Malujlo, South Africa 11. Mark Norman, Toowoomba, Australia 12. Clive Law-Brown, Cambridge, New Zealand 13. A.F Strauss Hamilton, New Zealand 14. S.F.Fourie, Bellville, South-Africa. 15. P K Acutt, Durban, South Africa 16. M. McGreal, Durban, South Africa 17 brian draycott Durban South Africa 18 Sybilla Draycott Durban South Africa 19 G Appleford Hillcrest South Africa 20. M.Clark Mooi River South Africa 21. Alannah Valentine, Hilton, S. Africa 22. 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Border Control Protocol Failure
by Duncan Frissell 04 Sep '01

04 Sep '01

But the question is: How can the Canadian Border Guards tell if a "letter from mom" is genuine? Major protocol failure. DCF >CANADA > >[John McCaslin, columnist for the Washington Times just returned from >vacation] > >U.S. passports are not required for entry into Canada, but as my 13-year-old >daughter and I rudely discovered during our northbound journey to climb >British Columbia's Mount Serendipity, a letter from "mom" is all but >mandatory. Upon our arrival at the Toronto airport, a female immigration >officer inquired if we carried a letter from my daughter's mother, giving >permission for her to travel with her dad. (I immediately wondered if >mothers are similarly expected to carry letters from fathers when traveling >with their children. I expect not.) When I replied that no such letter was >required under U.S. or Canadian law, my daughter was abruptly asked: "Does >your mother know you are on this trip?" Despite our mutual assurances that >mom all but packed bologna sandwiches for our much-anticipated mountain >trek, we were led to a special holding area where a second woman >interrogator soon launched an emotionally draining 15-minute >cross-examination that left my daughter in tears. "Is your mother aware that >you are on this trip?" my daughter was quizzed again. Yes. "Do you want to >be here?" Yes. "Are you sure?" Yes. "Is this your father?" Yes. Objecting, >for a second time, to the high degree of personal probing, I was warned that >such outbursts could land me in the Canadian gulag. "For all I know you >could be from Turkey," the woman said (I'm half Norwegian, half >Scotch-Irish). "Fortunately for you, you have an accent. Do you have any >criminal record?" At that point, seeing the tears well in my daughter's >eyes, I reached into my carry-on pack and retrieved my White House >correspondent's credentials, telling the officer to call George W. Bush if >she didn't believe me. "You don't have to get rude," she snapped. "For your >daughter's sake, you should be thanking me. Now you'll know next time." > >http://www.washtimes.com/national/inbeltway.htm

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How strong Can I?
by Dave 04 Sep '01

04 Sep '01

Im writing a toy for personal use that i may give away sooner or later, are there limits on how strong i can make the crypto max key length for personal, use for free distrubtion inside the us? Not sure on the exact legalities involved if i gave it way... Some help would be nice. Dave

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Tim's Tips on Avoiding Prosecution
by Tim May 04 Sep '01

04 Sep '01

On Friday, August 31, 2001, at 07:10 AM, Fisher Mark wrote: >> Look at how AP was used. > > Mike, the main reason the Jim Bell prosecution started was his actions, > not > his words. Some of us on the list (myself included) would be majorly > upset > if a stink bomb strong enough to make us vomit was used on us (upset > enough > to want someone to take action against Jim Bell). Had Jim Bell > restrained > himself to speech, prosecution would have been much more difficult to > start. > Not impossible, but much more difficult. Bell's cases and Parker's case(s) have been thrashed-over many times here. Clueful folks like Duncan Frissell have outlined some of the obvious errors (acted as his own lawyer, admitted tampering with mail, the infamous "Say goodnight, Joshua" item, etc.). I believe 10 years in prison is out of proportion. I have direct knowledge of far more serious crimes, including arson, which resulted in no prison time at all. Bell made various mistakes, but I'm not saying he deserves 10 years in a federal prison. And the handling of the case was strange. Others have written about it in a lot of detail. Both the Bell and Parker cases involved identifiable actions that were not just "speech actions." (To JA Terrenson/Measle, there _is_ a difference between speech and action. Planting a stink bomb is not "political speech." Tampering with mail is not speech. Threatening harm, directly and specifically, is not speech.) I'll give you Tim's Tips on Avoiding Prosecution (worked so far...): 1. Never know the specific names of any judges or prosecutors. This cuts way down on the chance that one will slip up and make a comment which might be construed as a specific threat. Keep things general. (I _do_ know the names of Jeff Gordon, Robb London, and Judge Tanner, but only because there have been so many articles and items about them.) 2. Never, ever, make physical contact with Feds. Don't go to their buildings unless required to, don't go near the homes or offices of their employees, just avoid them completely. This makes "stalking" charges mighty hard to press. 3. Don't attend "People's Tribunals" where specific agents, officers, judges, etc. are to be "tried" for their crimes. We see that many/most of these are infiltrated, and that, in fact, the chief rabble-rousers are likely to be government agents or stool pigeons. (Some may be acting to reduce other charges against them, as the Feds wanted Randy Weaver to do--they set Weaver up with that quarter inch taken off a shotgun and then wanted him to infiltrate the Northwest militias and narc them out.) 4. If whackos send you e-mail, don't respond. (I routinely discarded e-mail from Vulis, Detweiler, Toto, Bell, and others I won't name for reasons of politeness. Some of them sent me what I thought were "side channel" communications which looked to be efforts to rope me into their plans. Perhaps the lack of correspondence with Parker and Bell is what saved me from being dragged in front of a grand jury.) 5. At physical Cypherpunks meetings, by all means talk about politics, uses of technology, even "anarchic" things. But avoid being drawn into debates about what to do to specific politicians, judges, etc.. (Attendees at Bay Area meetings will know that for 9 years now we have had occasional heated discussions of these things, but we have avoided the kind of "people's tribunal" crap that helped get Bell into trouble.) 6. Don't actually build bombs or modify weapons to fire in illegal ways. These are "actions," not speech. And neither are very useful. Perfectly OK to talk about either thing (maybe not on the Cypherpunks list, for reasons of relevancy), but may well be illegal to actually build. (It is not necessarily illegal to build bombs, but the specifics matter. One of the "pyrotechnics" newsgroups has discussions of this.) 7. Pay your taxes. Stay away from nutty schemes to not file tax returns, etc. (Part of what got Bell charged the first time was failure to file, fraudulent use of Social Security numbers, etc.) Arguing that taxes are wrong, unfair, etc. is not the same thing as tax evasion. Even promoting schemes to avoid taxes is probably not prosecutable (note that the book writers usually only spend time at Terminal Island when they themselves have used their ideas to evade taxes.). 8. Speech in purely electronic or written form is safer than speech in physical forums. More time to redact words, more ability to modify speech which might be interpreted as direct threats to a person. Less chance to be entrapped by a provocateur. See Rule 1: Never bother to learn the names of agents or judges. This makes it much harder to slip up and say something foolish like "We should use AP to eliminate Judge Foobar!" OK to say "I won't weep if Washington, D.C. is nerve-gassed by Osama bin Laden," as this is an expression of opinion. Ditto for "Shoot all politicians" (a general comment, overbroad, not specific, not credible, protected American anti-politician threat...probably even uttered by guys like Jeff Gordon in moments of frustration. Even legally OK to say "Someone should nerve gas Washington, D.C.," as this is not a call for action that is in way plausibly influenced by the call. Note: I'm not saying that such a call won't get your name put on a list...what I'm saying is that the Feds are unlikely to launch a prosecution over something so nebulous and obviously speech-like as "Defendant said someone should nerve gas Washington, D.C." First Amendment lawyers would jump on a case like this. However, a leader of Aryan Nation, for example, calling for his followers to kill Jews might cross the line ("incitement"). Their have been a few civil actions where the organization or its leaders were held liable for damages caused by followers who were incited to _specific_ actions. (An interesting question is whether any of the more vocal Cypherpunks could be held liable, civilly or criminally, for actions by "followers." I doubt it, given the situation. And the fact that there are no formal leaders, no structure, no real organization, helps. The export of crypto was maybe where there was most exposure.) Anyway, these are some general tips. I don't claim to be either morally pure or to be beyond the scrutiny of prosecutors. Who knows, maybe they're just waiting for me to slip up so they can present charges to a grand jury. But I think my tips are just common sense ways to avoid the situations Parker and Bell fell into. AN ANECDOTE: The closest I think I have come (think, because I don't know about times I never learned about) to being charged with this sort of a crime was when I had the encounter with the Secret Service at Stanford University just as Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea were arriving in the area I was in. The SS and Stanford Sheriff's converged on me from four sides, literally, and were on all sides of me. They demanded to look inside my bag...I refused (had a piece of crypto gear in it they might have thought looked suspicious, and there's the general point about their lack of probable cause). They one of them accused me of planting a bomb in the basement of Meyer Library with the intent of killing President Clinton. Did I plant a bomb in the basement of Meyer Library with the intent of assassinating President Clinton? Of course not. They were bluffing, hoping, I guess, I would freak out and say "I'm innocent. Search my bag if you don't believe me!" After about 10 minutes of staring me down, they told me to walk to the closest point that was off campus and not to return. I asked about my car. "If you are seen on campus, you will be arrested. You can get your car tomorrow." (Great, since I lived 60 miles away.) By the way, the SS also demanded that I give them my name and show them my driver's license. I refused, so at least they never got my name entered into the Master Data Bank of Presidential Threateners. As to why I was on the Stanford campus at precisely the time the Clintons were arriving, I have a pretty damned good reason. (Aside from the point that no reason at all was or is "needed.") I had been invited months before--and long before the Presidential visit was scheduled--to give a talk to Professor Margaret Radin's cyberlaw class. The class began at 4. I brought along my COMSEC (later, Starian) 3DES phone unit, to illustrate to the class some hardware. My encounter with the SS was around 3:30. I looped back around to the west side of the campus and walked back on campus and thence to the law school. I told Prof. Rader about the detainment by the SS and their demand that I open my bag and identify myself and my reason for being on campus. And about the threat to have me arrested if I was seen on the campus again. She said that students and faculty had all been dealing with the effects of Chelsea's arrival as a student and that the law school would be quite happy to handle my case if the SS or Stanford Sheriff's Dept. nabbed me. --Tim May

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