August 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Lawyers, Guns, and Money
by Jim Windle 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 18:49:21 Tim May wrote: > > >Well, yes, there are many. I only even _tried_ to list a handful of the >most important folks in just that one field: nuclear. Every field has >its giants. > >And the ones I cited in just the nuclear field were not just scientists, >they were policy advisors. Szilard's soliciting of Einstein to write the >letter to Roosevelt, Einstein's letter, Fermi's policy work in the >1950s, Teller's lobbying for the H-bomb, Oppenheimer and the Manhattan >Project (and later antiwar lobbying), and Von Neumann's powerful >arguments for building up the nuclear arsenal. (VN favored a pre-emptive >nuclear strike on Russia with bombers.) > >The other examples (we could write all day listing such giants) were >certainly scientists, but many had no interest whatsoever in policy. >Kurt Godel, for example. Crick, as another. I don't recall Shannon >having much interest in policy. > Yes, I recognise that you were naming only the giants in a particular, though higly importnat field, who also had interest in "policy". My point was simply that certain ideas are so pwerful that their authors have influence on events whether or not they seek it. And that Washington policy makers must come to terms with those idea, whether or not they like. Jim Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

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AdvisorTeam PersonalityZone Newsletter - August 2001
by news＠mailings.advisorteam.com 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

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Top Firms Retreat Into Bunker To Ward Off 'Anarchists'
by Matthew Gaylor 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

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Re: Lawyers, Guns, and Money
by Faustine 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

Declan wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2001 at 06:05:04PM -0400, Faustine wrote: > Great points. If you're looking to make a difference re: cypherpunk and >pro-libertarian issues and have a scientific and practical streak, why not >get an advanced degree in policy analysis instead? You get a rock-solid > grounding in a number of critical disciplines, and put yourself in a > position to seriously affect policy on the broadest possible stage. >Alas, the best policy analysts I've seen are lawyers. Folks in DC, at >least,look down at people who got an easier "policy analysis" degree as >people who couldn't or didn't want to go to law school. >-Declan True, if you don't pick your program carefully, it's entirely too possible to end up with a nebulous grab bag of an education that doesn't amount to much. It's all in the school, really. And I agree, there are some fantastic lawyer-analysts out there. But the ones I really admire are the mathematician-analysts, the hard-science analysts: they tend not to hog the limelight like some of their more voluble counterparts, but their influence is still enormous. It's kind of interesting to see how the field evolved and grew out of the strictly military/operations research stuff in the 50s into what it is now. It's still evolving, which is part of what makes it so exciting. I don't think what I'm doing is any easier than law school, quite the contrary! Maybe it's better to say it *can* be easier than law school--and often is-- but doesn't have to be if you're in the right place and have some purpose behind your choices. And I hope I didn't sound too down on studying law. I took a graduate class in constitutional law myself and spent a semester learning to write briefs, getting acquainted with West's Law Finder, etc. just because it's so important. I'd definitely recommend that much to anyone. ~Faustine.

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FBI must reveal computer snooping technique
by Harmon Seaver 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

The judge in the Scarfo. case just ordered the feebs to reveal how they got the evidence, full details. http://www.go2net.com/headlines/politics/20010807/347286.html -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 hseaver(a)cybershamanix.com Home 920-233-5820 hseaver(a)ameritech.net http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html

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Re: Security Against Compelled Disclosure
by Bill Stewart 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

I realize this discussion was a couple of weeks ago, but I'm just catching up to it now :-) Ignoring the flamage and the inter-listmanager discussions, if possible, I'd like to address the problem of removing attachments. Removing big attachments is one thing, but there are a number of posters whose mail programs use MIME in ways that are likely to get removed, even if they're just using it for PGP signatures. While I'd prefer to encourage such people not to use formats like that, they *do* happen (especially on the remailer-operators list, where each different sub-version of Mutt seems to use a different format...) Tim May periodically flames the users of attachments, and while I agree that binary attachments are often non-portable and non-readable by many people, there are attachments that are just text with MIMEage headers around it, which are perfectly fine - if your reader can't do anything useful to display it, it *should* be able to show you the raw message body and let you read around the junk, just as you'd probably read around PGP signature headers. Bill At 08:29 AM 08/04/2001 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: >On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > You fool. One of the cypherpunks nodes removed the attachment. > >Actually they should ONLY be removing attachments to their subscribers, if >they are removing attachments in general then they are breaking the >contract. > >More over, the size limitations for messages to the CDR's was agreed to be >1M minimum over a year ago. > >Check the archives. > > > Sending attachments to the distributed cypherpunks list when at least > > one node remove them is about as useful as, well, arguing with Choate.

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Re: Lawyers, Guns, and Money
by Jim Windle 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

On Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:39:06 Tim May wrote: >as I think lawyers generally create entropy and >inefficiency, no matter their intentions. "Lawyers are like nuclear weapons, the other side has theirs, so I have to have mine. But once you use them they fuck everything up." 'Larry the Liquidator" Garfield in "Other People's Money" That seems pretty accurate to me. Jim Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

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Re: Jim Bell sentenced to 10 years in prison
by John Young 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

Eugene, I'd appreciate your not addressing mail to me concerning Jim Bell, though that may be due to the way your mailer is set up to respond to cpunk mail. I got subpoenaed to the grand jury and trial because Jim Bell's responses to my messages to cpunks were addressed to me and cc'ed to cpunks, just as yours was in this case. Robb London claimed that meant Jim and I were in direct communication when I was doing all I could to avoid private contact with Jim, then as now. He continues to be a witting or unwitting agent of the fuckers in ensnaring stand-off supporters in his comical stupidities which the fuckers take as high serious crimes. And I will ask again to all readers in the universe: do not send me private e-mail about Jim Bell, CJ, or anybody likely to be a target of the SOBs working cybercrime-rich territory. Post your stuff to a public forum, and do not cc me. Thank you very much.

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(Corrected URL) Re: Redirection server (fwd)
by Jim Choate 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

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FOOTBALL yea!!!!!
by Grid Picks.com 25 Aug '01

25 Aug '01

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