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Corporate totalitarianism?
by Aimee Farr 28 Jul '01

28 Jul '01

In RE to the DMCA/Dmitry affair, private enforcement, new intellectual property enforcement divisions, etc. -- We are increasingly holding individuals criminally responsible for crimes against corporations and many feel an imbalance, or even a double-standard, in terms of corporate accountability for crimes against people. I received the following today, by Robert Weissman, co-author of _Corporate Predators_, (corporatepredators.org) in regard to the Sara Lee Ball Park Frank Hot Dog incident, in which 21 people died. It prompted them to visit the White House to inquire as to 'a corporate death penalty.' http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/corp-focus/2001/000081.html ~Aimee

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28 Jul '01

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Re: Open 802.11b wireless access points and remailers
by Steve Schear 28 Jul '01

28 Jul '01

At 11:37 AM 7/27/2001 +0200, Eugene Leitl wrote: >On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, David Honig wrote: > > > Bear has a point; no matter how you spread or hop, you're an emitter. > > Shoot anything that radiates from 50 Mhz-IR. > >Ultrabroadband is currently hard to triangulate, unless you're part of the >network, where TOF mutual triangulation is part of service. > >You could triangulate ultrabroadband with an antenna array, but in real >life the reflexion and multipath will make it difficult. In particular see : http://www.aetherwire.com/Aether_Wire/Integrated_CMOS_Ultra-Wideband_Locali… steve

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Re: Choate Prime Physics
by drs 28 Jul '01

28 Jul '01

> You're a twerp worse in many ways than Choate is. I expect he will > embrace you as his new ally. Not knowing exactly what that is supposed to mean, I can only assume that it means "not politically correct" or "scientifically accurate." If that's supposed to be an insult - well ok. > After this message, you will reside in > my kill file. Someone should tell him not to go to a lot of effort on my account. Apparently, scientific accuracy is not the thrust of the posts, I'm not particularly good at being politically correct and since I thought this had something to do with cryptography, there's not much reason for me to interrupt any more squabbles.

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Re: Criminalizing crypto criticism
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 28 Jul '01

28 Jul '01

George wrote : >> `(3) FACTORS IN DETERMINING EXEMPTION- In determining whether a person >> qualifies for the exemption under paragraph (2), the factors to be >> considered shall include-- >> `(A) whether the information derived from the encryption research was >> disseminated, and if so, whether it was disseminated in a manner >> reasonably calculated to advance the state of knowledge or development >> of encryption technology, versus whether it was whether it was >> disseminated in a manner that facilitates infringement under this >> title or a violation of applicable law other than this section, >> including a violation of privacy or breach of security; >> >> -Declan >> >> >I've been rereading this a bunch of times trying to figure out >what, if anything, it's supposed to mean. I've come up with two >slightly different interpretations: > >1) If you release your results at a university-sponsored conference >you're an exempt researcher, but if you release identical results at >Defcon you're a criminal. > >2) Anyone with the financial resources or legal background to get >this law overturned on Constitutional grounds is not to be >prosecuted in the first place. > >I think 2 is actually the more accurate reading. > >George > It's pretty odd. That is to say, aren't most academic results eventually available to the world at large? The more interesting or applicable they are the faster they spread. So what's the difference where and how the information is released? It is either part of the public forum or it is not. Are we going to split academic publications into two classes now? Will you need a license to hear certain lectures and be prohibited from passing on what you've learned? (3)(A) is an unfairly arbitrary criterion for assigning criminal culpability. Also, what is the relevance of the "or a violation of applicable law other than this section, including a violation of privacy or breach of security" bit? Are they trying to apply the DMCA to anyone who publishes information that makes it easier to develop exploits against OS bugs? That piece seems out of place. There must be a reason it was included. As for George's #2, DMCA does have that flavor. I suppose that it will retain its value as a means for intimidation, Constitutional or otherwise, as long as it is not tested. Then there's the nightmare scenario in which it is upheld. Let's not go there. DMCA is ***not that bad***, at least there is a research exemption but if you want to be a pessimist it looks as though you could be screwed for communicating your knowledge to anyone but a partner or the owner of the copyright protection system. Free labor for the copyright holder. The satisfaction of a job well done for the laboror. Somehow the information derived from study belongs to the owner of the thing studied. Why not apply the same principal to the studies of the human genome? As for Mr. Felton's run-in with this abomination, did he sign any sort of contract with the music guys to get the materials he needed to do his work? That might change how we view his situation relative to DMCA. Mike

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28 Jul '01

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Re: Choate Prime Physics
by drs 27 Jul '01

27 Jul '01

>> 12:39 AM 7/25/2001 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: >On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Tim May wrote: IAAP, so let me make a suggestion. Don't argue about physics. The winner comes down to the person or persons least wrong since every description given so far is an attempt to extend some part of an incomplete picture in a way that is _WRONG_, leading to arguments about misstatements. > > > You're gibbering about things you have no clue about. Babbling about > > "the intermediate vector boson" when you clearly don't even > > understand high school physics is especially bizarre. > > > > Photons are _quanta_, as in quantum theory. Their energy is given by > > the usual E = hv (v is nu, frequency). They aren't "less energetic" > > when they scatter (i.e., are reflected). A photon fired at a surface > > will scatter/reflect with precisely the energy it had when it hit the > > surface, unless it is absorbed (in which case it knocks electrons out > > of atoms...the photoelectric effect in a vacuum, thermalized in > > ordinary solids). Scattering is not reflection. In fact, photons do lose energy scattering and the first experiments that demonstrated this is where scattering gets its name: Compton scattering. The compton scattering formula is easily derived from conservation of 4-momentum. Reflection from a mirror is easily described by maxwell's equations, but is more difficult in terms of photons. While the description of the photoelectric effect is more or less ok, the term "thermalize" means applies to contimuum scattering of electrons in the conduction band through collisions with other electrons, not to discrete transitions. Describing a reflection as scattering can be done, but not in the length of this response. > ><groan> > > > >Here is what actually happens. It's called "The Radiated Electric Field". > > > >Some 1st year engineering physics books will have it listed in the index > >under 'mirror'. Let me suggest that everyone defer to "Classical Electrodynamics" by Jackson, as a definitive reference. It's the canonical physics text on the subject and is practically universal as the text for a first year graduate course in any physics program. If you know anyone that's a physicist, they should have a copy. > >The incident photons strike the mirror. > > > >A current is induced. This mixes terminology in a bad way. First of all, any _SINGLE_ photon scattering from a surface will be scattered in an arbitrary direction with the appropriate change in energy. A _reflection_ is the collective behaviour of photons with particular energies that particular interact with the conduction electrons in a way which is easy to describe with maxwell's equatiions, but not very easy to describe photon by photon, since from a miscroscopic view, reflection is a statisitical phenomena. For example, gold which is fairly thin, will be transparent in the UV, not reflective. > > >That current is electrons moving in a resistor. Making heat, losing > >energy. Note, we are NOT talking about photons here but J/C. The energy radiated from a resistor is no different than the energy radiated from a blackbody, except perhaps in how ideal it is. > >That current re-emits photons Currents don't emit photons. Accelerated charges do. > >that retain both frequency and temporal/time If free charges behaved this way (i.e., had memories of what changed their momenta), it would violate both relativity and quantum mechanics. A charge is at rest in its own rest frame before the absorption and after the absorption. How would it retain any knowledge of its previous state without (hint) communicating with neighboring charges? > >related coherence (see Maxwell's Equations for more detail). However, the Maxwell's equations do not describe photons. > >total number of photons MUST be reduced from the incident beam. This also The number of photons is irrelavent, since you cannot count them by virtue of the uncertainty principle between the number of photons and the phases. The ones you count are the properly symmetrized linear combination that produces the signal in the detector and that is always equivalent to a single photon. So the above statement is meaningless. > >means the incident photons can not be the same as the emitted photons. They are identical. Or not. Depends on how you write the wavefunctions in any of an infinite number of equivalent ways. See bose-einstein statistics. > >The photons (as opposed to 'a photon') lose energy. >The photons don't lose energy: the beam or flux is diminished in >intensity. Your improper choice of terms is what's getting creating the >misunderstandings. This is closer to correct, but still doesn't contain the idea that it's meaningless to talk in terms of photon numbers except in a very specific context where one recognizes the limitations and applicability of the picture. -- drs

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Re: Criminalizing crypto criticism + 802.11b access
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 27 Jul '01

27 Jul '01

> I think a lot of the flaws with the DMCA could be fixed by allowing > an exemption for a "notice period" -- one year after you notify them > that their crypto is broken, they've had enough time to fix it -- > and if they haven't fixed it, they deserve what they get. > > Bear > Not acceptable. DMCA is too one-sided. It is an unjust evolutionary dead-end. How would this play out : Hello Clay and Hay Brick Corp, sorry to rain on your hacienda but I've figured out a way to compromise your new eContent system. You might as well tell us, we'll have the FBI kick your ass if you tell anyone else. It was a lot of work and I'm really clever, I should get paid for my efforts. Sounds like cyber-terrorist threats to me. You'd better factor the likely scenarios into your backup policy. I suppose the only bright spot is that 99.99% of the content that is "protected" by DMCA is not worth consuming in the first place. Mike

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