June 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Nestas Férias...
by info＠giganetstore.com 26 Jun '01

26 Jun '01

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credit card sniffers found in field
by John Doe #N 26 Jun '01

26 Jun '01

Clever real-world credit card thieves apparently have a new high-tech tool in their arsenal. A credit card terminal maker says it has discovered the existence of small, number-stealing electronic bugs. The devices can be secretly placed inside store terminals, where they skim card numbers with each transaction. The bugs are even smart enough to trick a terminal into phoning home, delivering batches of stolen numbers to fake credit card manufacturing locations. While acknowledging the threat may be real, Visa International and other terminal makers caution that use of the James Bond-esque device is hardly widespread. <snip> http://www.msnbc.com/news/589575.asp

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Interesting Story about Thailand
by Peter Juliano 26 Jun '01

26 Jun '01

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Re: Earth to Dopey
by Louis Cypher 26 Jun '01

26 Jun '01

Speaking of dopey, your mouth is running over again, libel laws, you really are an idiot, see you on campus. I wonder how many people are sick and tired of your smart ass postings... Stop or I'll call the feds..what makes you think they are not already involved...you pussy...oh that's right...you rather smoke a dick. Time is closing in. Its pretty obvious on what you do day and night. Once again come out of the basement and see the light, your one forum where you don't have to speak to people face to face and can talk all the trash you want.... See ya soon loser....... >From: mmotyka(a)lsil.com >To: Louis Cypher <cypherl(a)hotmail.com>, cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net >Subject: Earth to Dopey >Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:41:23 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [147.145.40.22] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBD01160A0033400431E2939128168CC10; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:36:42 -0700 >Received: from mhbs.lsil.com (mhbs [147.145.31.100])by mail2.lsil.com >(8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA20370for <cypherl(a)hotmail.com>; Mon, 25 >Jun 2001 16:36:41 -0700 (PDT) >Received: from plcalpop.lsil.com by mhbs.lsil.com; Mon, 25 Jun 2001 >16:35:38 -0700 >Received: from lsil.com by plcalpop (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4)id QAA26379; Mon, 25 >Jun 2001 16:05:41 -0700 >From mmotyka(a)lsil.com Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:37:01 -0700 >Message-Id: <3B37CC23.B7D5D591(a)lsil.com> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) >X-Accept-Language: en >References: <F213tXHSvIC0RoeNIiJ0000bf43(a)hotmail.com> > >I was right the first time around, you're off in the tall grass, can't >see where you're headed and seriously mistaken. I'm not a .coN web page >author. I am getting very.seriously.pissed though. You've run square >into the libel laws. I think my father-in-law still has Fed LE contacts >in the US. I'll find you. > >Louis Cypher wrote: > > I know a lot of people who care if someone is illegally reading email. > > >Ahhh, that could very well be, but I'm not one of them and what someone >else does to YOUR email is of absolutely zero interest to me. > > > Having done a web site you should know that. > > >Sorry, you definitely have the wrong ID, never did a web site, find it >entirely uninteresting. > > > Why do your ventures go BUST, Coupon Cloud.com, > > >You're way off in the tall grass, sonny. > > > because you are a loser and a thief, all you do is run > > your mouth, but I would assume it is to be expected, being a FAG, I >would > > imagine it comes quit naturally. Been to the recycle bin lately loser, >and > > remember, take a good look around, no one can hear you scream. > > See ya......... > > >You're very quick to assume and accuse based on bad research. It's gonna >cost yuz. First in Court... > > > ps. lose the 95 machine > > >Not my PC, besides, what does it matter which insecure OS runs Netscape? >Are you an elite genius because you put Linux or BSD on a PC? Golly, >I'll bet it's twice as secure as Windows. Wow! Maybe someday I can learn >how to do that! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Pleading to Washington for broadband
by George＠Orwellian.Org 26 Jun '01

26 Jun '01

Excerpt: # Likening the task to the 1960s effort to put a man on the moon, # John Chambers, chief executive of Cisco Systems Inc., is asking # that the federal government commit to making broadband connections # available to every home by 2010. ---- http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB993418457489449631.htm # # Tech Industry Seeks Its Salvation June 25, 2001 # In High-Speed Internet Connections # # By SCOTT THURM and GLENN R. SIMPSON # Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL # # High-tech executives think they've found a cure for the industry's # deepest slump in a decade: High-speed Internet access for # everyone. # # For years, telephone and cable-TV companies have been promising # to build high-speed "broadband" networks, which let consumers # and small businesses tap the Internet 20 or 30 times faster than # conventional phone lines, yet the rollout has been slow. There's # little agreement, even within the tech world, on the ground rules # for building such networks, which would cost tens of billions # of dollars. But suddenly the topic has rocketed to the top of # the technology industry's agenda in Washington, where # traditionally distant tech executives are asking for help. # # The chairmen of International Business Machines Corp., Intel # Corp., Motorola Inc. and others last week met with key lawmakers # and National Economic Council officials to support bills that # would provide tax credits for building high-speed networks in # rural areas and economically depressed inner cities. Other # executives propose broader tax breaks, comparing broadband # Internet links with the government-financed interstate highway # or rural electric systems. # # Likening the task to the 1960s effort to put a man on the moon, # John Chambers, chief executive of Cisco Systems Inc., is asking # that the federal government commit to making broadband connections # available to every home by 2010. A Cisco lobbyist calls the effort # "our No. 1 goal" (although a spokesman says Mr. Chambers doesn't # think the government would be the one to build the network). # # Some tech executives argue that extending broadband networks # would help revive the national economy, because tech spending # contributed such a large share of economic growth in recent years. # "The stimulation would go well beyond hardware and software # providers," says Phil Bond, Hewlett-Packard Co.'s top Washington # lobbyist. # # But some analysts are struck by the sudden change in an industry # that previously distanced itself from Washington. Technology # companies "are going to Washington looking for a bailout," says # Scott Cleland, chief executive of the Precursor Group, a # Washington-based independent research company. "That tells you # their situations are awfully bad because when times were good # they were telling the government to stay away." # # Monday, more than 40 tech executives are set to meet at H-P's # Palo Alto, Calif., headquarters to rally behind the broadband # effort and discuss possible policy initiatives. Other tech groups # have similar efforts under way. Last week's lobbying was # orchestrated by the Computer Systems Policy Project, which # represents big computer companies. "The administration is # listening carefully to all segments of industry and working with # lawmakers and regulators to assess policy alternatives to # accelerate broadband deployment," a White House spokesman says. # # The renewed push for broadband stems from widespread disappoi # ntment with the Telecommunications Act of 1996, which was supposed # to encourage competition, particularly for local phone service. # But many of the upstarts that challenged the Baby Bells couldn't # make profits and got hurt in the collapse of the high-tech bubble. # And companies that built data networks to carry an expected flood # of Internet traffic are starving for business. # # Tech executives fear that broadband deployment will slow even # further. A year ago, the pace was a secondary concern for big # tech companies. Then the dot-com bubble burst. Companies cut # their purchases of tech gear, and executives of tech companies # faced declining sales, losses and layoffs. Now, potential sales # resulting from a new wave of high-speed Internet connections # look like a port in a storm. # # When Mr. Chambers broached the subject before 50 executives at # a February meeting of TechNet, an industry lobbying group, 20 # hands shot up, according to a person who was in the room. TechNet # quickly assembled a "working group" on broadband policy, including # Mr. Chambers and executives from Intel, Microsoft Corp., 3Com # Corp. and ExciteAtHome Corp. Its recommendations are expected # in September. # # Executives hope ubiquitous high-speed links can ignite another # "virtuous cycle" of innovation and spending on tech gear, like # the one that accompanied the first phase of the Internet in the # late 1990s. Telecom-gear makers would sell equipment to build # the networks. PC- and chip-makers would sell consumers new # computers to keep up with faster connections. Software makers # and content creators would update programs. "We're convinced # now more than ever that broadband is crucial to our industry," # says Peter Pitsch, an attorney in Intel's Washington office. # # A unified tech industry could be influential in the national # debate. "I've always felt the computer folks would tip the balance # if they ever came into the thing in a serious way," says Jeffrey # Eisenach, president of the nonprofit Progress and Freedom # Foundation, a group backed by the Bell phone companies that is # sponsoring the meeting at H-P. # # But there's little agreement in the industry about how to get # the job done. The differences are apparent on the central # telecommunications question facing Congress this year: whether # to relax 1996 rules limiting the role of Bells in building and # operating data networks. Until recently, big tech companies were # reluctant to take sides because they had customers in rival camps. # Now, their reluctance may be fading. # # In a speech last week, Intel Chairman Andrew Grove endorsed # loosening some of the restrictions. That was a bit of a shift # for the chip giant, which had invested in several Baby Bell # challengers in the heady days after the 1996 law was passed. # # "If we want to see broadband, we have to follow the money, as # cruel and unfair as it sounds," said Mr. Grove, who lunched with # Ivan Seidenberg, chief executive of Baby Bell Verizon # Communications Inc., the following day. Mr. Grove called for # "a new approach" in which the Bells "should be allowed to invest # with the fair expectation of making a lot of money." # # Others blame the Bells for stifling competition, then dragging # their feet. "I'm afraid if we leave it to existing incumbents, # the speed at which broadband will progress would not be # satisfactory," says 3Com Chairman Eric Benhamou. He suggests # government-subsidized loans, or tax rebates for signing up # broadband customers. Most tech lobbyists, though, consider it # politically toxic to mention those ideas.

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iwanttobeamenbership
by anis a hajji 26 Jun '01

26 Jun '01

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Play BlackJack Online Now!!!
by knedsexn＠emailisfun.com 26 Jun '01

26 Jun '01

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Crucial facts on life
by Berk Turkcan 25 Jun '01

25 Jun '01

Dear Professor, I am a student who is attending Yeditepe University in Turkey. I would like to have your ideas on a very crucial point of science, which I describe briefly below. I am working on this subject as a project and will be privileged to hear your interpretations on the following questions: 1. The light coming from an object is transformed into electrical signals by the cells in the eye and then transmitted to the center of vision in the brain. And the electrical signals there are turned into an image. For example you actually see this message in your brain. Then who is the one that sees and perceives the image of this message in the brain? How do you define the consciousness that can see this image in the brain without the need of an eye? 2. Brain is a piece of flesh composed of lipids, proteins and other various molecules. Could the consciousness that sees this image be this piece of flesh? Or could the brain cells make up a consciousness that sees these electrical signals as a sea view or an e-mail message? 3. No light penetrates the skull, which means the brain is entirely in darkness. Then how does such an illuminated, clear image is formed in this pitch-dark place? For instance how are the rays of the sun seen over the unlit brain cortex? 4. Also no sound enters the brain. This means there is deep muteness where the brain exists. However, people listen to all different sounds inside the brain. The sound waves are turned into electrical signals inside of the ear and then transmitted to the center of hearing. And the consciousness inside the brain listens to these for instance as a melody. Then who is it that listens to the loud music aired from powerful loudspeakers and how? 5. The image is formed inside a miniature spot in the brain. Then how is the three-dimensional image with depth is formed on this diminutive screen? For instance when I look at the horizon or the sky, how is such an image with vast depth is formed at this tiny spot of center of vision just as identical to its original with the same depth and sense of distance? What is it that gives me the feeling of distance and space? 6. When a person sees a glass of water, in fact he does not see its real form but only a copy of it in his brain. The coldness that he feels when touching the glass surface is not the real coldness of the glass but only a copy of it. This means nobody is ever able to feel that he touches the real glass. Since it is not his fingers that feel the sense of touch, but merely the sense of touch in the brain. Should we not in this case conclude that people are never able to reach the reality of objects and can never touch the reality of a glass? But not every person knows this fact. Everyone thinks they touch and see real objects. Is it not strange that people are not aware of this and they never think about this? 7. Nothing changes when a person is hit by a bus or comes across a lion. Since, just like the image of the bus, the sense of collision or the fear while running away from a lion, all form in the brain. When I see a bus, I see it at the center of vision inside my brain. If I go and hold the door of the bus, I feel the coldness of the metal inside my brain. Then I cannot discriminate from this fact what happens when I feel pain if a bus hits or a lion bites. Then is it not very illogical when people say �it shows I am in contact with the bus or the lion because I feel pain when the bus hits or the lion bites�? 8. We live the entire period of our lives inside our brains. In a similar way, we also have dreams in our brain. For instance when we touch a piece of ice in our dream, we feel it is wet and cold. Or, when we smell a rose, we get the wonderful scent of it. We again sense the feelings of fear, pain, anxiety and panic in a similar fashion. Then are the dreams and the real life the same in this sense? 9. The person�s own body is also included in the images a person see. So, a person only sees the copy of his own body. This means every person all through his life lives in the cave in his skull where he never knows what is outside, including his own body and other objects. Now think over this happening once more: Right now are you inside of the room you are present or is the room inside of you? Isn�t the second alternative the right answer scientifically? 10. Let us imagine 5 different people who look at a garden of roses. Since every one of these people see the rose garden in his own brain, then aren�t there 5 different rose gardens in the brains of every one of the 5 people? Is the color red that each one sees the same with the other�s perception of red? Would there be any possibility to compare these? 11. We say that the original objects we see the copies of in our brain exist outside, but what if nothing exists outside? Because we never have the ability to test this or observe this. Then is it not dubious that the original objects are outside? At least there is a 50-50 percent possibility. Then how can we be sure that the original objects are outside? If there is no original object outside, then what is the entity that makes the images and the senses in our brain? 12. If we are living an illusion that has the possibility of not having any reality outside, then we may be existing in a very different place. For instance is it not possible for the entire humanity to exist right over a piece of crystal? Or is it not possible that the complete history of humanity has been experienced in a place not bigger than the head of a pin? Would there be anything to stop us thinking in such a broad extent? 13. Some people are incredibly afraid when these topics are discussed? What do you think the reason for this may be? Yours sincerely, Berk Turkcan May 8, 2001 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Earth to Dopey
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 25 Jun '01

25 Jun '01

I was right the first time around, you're off in the tall grass, can't see where you're headed and seriously mistaken. I'm not a .coN web page author. I am getting very.seriously.pissed though. You've run square into the libel laws. I think my father-in-law still has Fed LE contacts in the US. I'll find you. Louis Cypher wrote: > I know a lot of people who care if someone is illegally reading email. > Ahhh, that could very well be, but I'm not one of them and what someone else does to YOUR email is of absolutely zero interest to me. > Having done a web site you should know that. > Sorry, you definitely have the wrong ID, never did a web site, find it entirely uninteresting. > Why do your ventures go BUST, Coupon Cloud.com, > You're way off in the tall grass, sonny. > because you are a loser and a thief, all you do is run > your mouth, but I would assume it is to be expected, being a FAG, I would > imagine it comes quit naturally. Been to the recycle bin lately loser, and > remember, take a good look around, no one can hear you scream. > See ya......... > You're very quick to assume and accuse based on bad research. It's gonna cost yuz. First in Court... > ps. lose the 95 machine > Not my PC, besides, what does it matter which insecure OS runs Netscape? Are you an elite genius because you put Linux or BSD on a PC? Golly, I'll bet it's twice as secure as Windows. Wow! Maybe someday I can learn how to do that!

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