March 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: Did you notice [UK vs US crime rates]
by Trei, Peter 19 Mar '01

19 Mar '01

> From: Reese[SMTP:reeza@flex.com] > At 05:45 PM 3/16/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: > > > >In the FBI stats that came out the majority of police officers killed > are > >killed with their own gun? They'd probably been better served by a > >stun-vest... > > > >Perhaps we should take guns away from them, then those fine officers > would > >probably have lived longer. > > > >If you can't trust a weapon to a individual, how can you trust it to a > >group of individuals? > > England serves as a fine example here; > With an armed populace and a disarmed police force :: low crime rate > With a disarmed populace and an armed police force :: high crime rate. > > Read'em & weep, Phill. > > Reese > A recent article in the Economist points this out: http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=513031 % of people who were victim of a crime, once or more, in 1999: Violent crime: England & Wales: 3.5% US: 1.9% Car theft England & Wales: 2.6% US: 0.5% Burglery (including attempts) England & Wales: 5% US: 3.8% The article opens: BRITAIN may have slipped down many world league tables over the past few decades, but it beats all other rich countries except Australia in one activity: crime. According to a new victimisation survey of industrialised nations, people in England and Wales are at greater risk than anywhere else of having a car stolen. And apart from Australia, people who live in England and Wales are at greater risk of being assaulted, robbed, sexually attacked and having their homes burgled than are people in any other rich country. [end quote] Now, the murder rate in the US *is* substantially higher than Britain's, but your overall chances of getting through the day safely are probably higher in the US. Peter Trei

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judges needing organ harvesting -school censorship
by Blank Frank 19 Mar '01

19 Mar '01

School's Ban of Manson T-Shirt OK By Laurie Asseo Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - A former high school student says he had a free-speech right to wear Marilyn Manson T-shirts to class. But school officials banned them as offensive, and on Monday the student lost a Supreme Court appeal. The court, without comment, turned down the Ohio student's argument that school officials could not keep him from wearing T-shirts depicting Manson, a "shock rock" star who took his stage name from Marilyn Monroe and mass killer Charles Manson. Nicholas J. Boroff was a senior when he arrived at Van Wert High School in Van Wert, Ohio, in August 1997 wearing a Marilyn Manson T-shirt. Manson's real name is Brian Warner, and his group also is named Marilyn Manson. The front of the shirt depicted a three-faced Jesus and the back of the shirt said "believe" with the letters "lie" highlighted. A school administrator told Boroff the shirt was offensive and told him to either turn it inside out, go home and change, or leave and be considered truant. Boroff left, and returned each of the next four school days wearing other Marilyn Manson T-shirts. Each time he was told he could not attend class wearing the shirt. Boroff sued, saying school officials violated his constitutional rights to free speech and due process. A federal judge ruled for the school district, and the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals agreed. School officials could ban the shirts because they were determined to be "vulgar, offensive and contrary to the educational mission of the school," the appeals court said, noting that school officials submitted evidence of the group's "pro-drug persona." Public schools can prohibit students from wearing shirts that are offensive, even if they are not obscene and have not caused a substantial disruption of the school program, the appeals court said. In the appeal acted on Monday, Boroff's lawyers said that while there was evidence that Manson had promoted drug use and Satanism, that did not mean school officials could ban students from wearing his name and picture. Lawyers for the school district said the group's song lyrics had racial epithets, obscene language and "exhortations to suicide and violence." The case is Boroff v. Van Wert City Board of Education, 00-1020. --- On the Net: For the appeals court ruling: http://www.uscourts.gov/links.html and click on 6th Circuit. AP-ES-03-19-01 1008EST © Copyright 2001 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Brought to you by the Tampa Bay Online Network

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Re: [OT] kuro5hin.org || 12 Year Old Girl Commits Suicide AfterChristian Taunts.
by madmullah 19 Mar '01

19 Mar '01

Sampo Syreeni wrote: > Perhaps. On the other hand, it is clear that people attach connotations to > expression based on their experience of where that expression is used. Think > of Carmina Burana after it was used in the Omen, Actually, as far as I know, the Carmina Burana wasn't really used in the Omen to my knowledge, though the main composition in the film, "Ave Satani" sounded an awful lot like parts of the Carmina Burana :-) > leitmotif to satanistic themes. Similarly a Goth attire and a suitable > amount of group aggression will likely be as efficient on a child with a > Christian fundamental worldview as a direct threat. Hence the efficacy of Marliyn Manson's posturing in scaring the bejeebers out of conservative Christian authorities.

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DNA everybody, reduce/solve crimes (War on Crime)
by George＠Orwellian.Org 19 Mar '01

19 Mar '01

http://foxnews.com/world/031701/germany_palkot.sml # # Child's Murder in Germany Prompts Debate Over Mandatory DNA Testing # # Saturday, March 17, 2001 By Greg Palkot # # The brutal murder of 12-year-old Ulrike Brandt, who went missing # from her hometown north of Berlin last month, sparked outrage # across Germany when her strangled and sexually abused body was # found by authorities. # # Those who knew here mourned. "It was terrible that this could # happen," one neighbor said. "She was such a nice girl." Funeral # services were held Friday. # # The emotional case sparked a wider debate when some politicians # called for all German men to submit to DNA testing to help find # the girl's killer, and prevent similar crimes in the future. # That call has been rejected by other leading officials, and # brought back for the some the terrible memories of Germany's # Nazi and Communist past, when individual rights were systemat # ically disregarded. # # There is a precedent in post-Cold War Germany for such DNA # testing, in which a saliva samples from those tested are matched # with genetic material found on the victim. In 1998, the killer # of another young German girl was found after more than 16,000 # men underwent DNA testing. # # This new proposal has a much wider potential impact, however, # and could theoretically involve 41 million people. # # Supporters have promised to push their case. "I am ready to go # very far with legislation," Norbert Geis, legal spokesman for # Germany's CDU/CSU opposition coalition told Fox News, "in order # to catch sexual offenders against children." # # Opponents of the plan argue that current German law guards against # perceived invasions of privacy. "It's unconstitutional to take # a fingerprint of someone not proven guilty," remarked Volcker # Beck, Alliance 90/Green party parliament member, "so it is clear # you can't take a genetic fingerprint, either." # # Similar privacy concerns have been raised in the U.S and # elsewhere. Still, DNA testing has had success in America, # particularly at the state level. And Britain is moving to create # a broader national genetic data bank. # # Geis and other supporters of the DNA testing plan for Germany # have since backed off their earlier hardline positions. But more # extensive testing does have popular support. # # "It's no problem for me," one Berlin man noted. And a young German # woman remarked, "It's good, so long as they can find the killer." # # Voluntary DNA testing in Eberswalde, where Ulrike lived, is # already under way.

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Re: One of Jim Bell's former hobbies.
by George＠Orwellian.Org 19 Mar '01

19 Mar '01

Tim May, Elder Statesdroid of Cypherpunks, quoted someone else: # Jim told me he was a graduate of MIT and remembered playing "Computer # Space" on the PDP's there when he was a student, so when he happened # across the SpaceWar at a Tektronix surplus sale he picked it up. It # had then sat in his basement until I showed up. Variation: playing a "drug lord" computer game gets you investigated by the Feds. Tonight, Monday Mar 19, on either CBS evening news, or local NYC CBS evening news, I'm not sure. Their WWW is of no help for local news, nor was tvguide.com. Didn't Steve Jackson's Games already go through this ringer? 7/1/2000 The O'Reilly Factor. # # "The Clinton White house hates me. I've been audited each # year for the past three years, and they were all fishing # expediations. IT WAS POLITICALLY MOTIVATED. # THE IRS IS HARASSING ME."

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Re: [OT] kuro5hin.org || 12 Year Old Girl Commits Suicid e After Christian Taunts.
by Trei, Peter 19 Mar '01

19 Mar '01

> Ray Dillinger[SMTP:bear@sonic.net] wrote: > On Sat, 17 Mar 2001, Sampo Syreeni wrote: > > >leitmotif to satanistic themes. Similarly a Goth attire and a suitable > >amount of group aggression will likely be as efficient on a child with a > >Christian fundamental worldview as a direct threat. And as time goes by, > > Goth attire?? You mean short robes under leather armor and ring mail? > And why should that be frightening to Christians, anyway? Rome was at > the height of the *Pagan* empire when the Goths sacked it.... I'm betting > the early Christians around Rome at the time probably joined in gleefully. > > Bear > > >"Rome was at the height of the *Pagan* empire when the Goths sacked it.... " 323 AD: Constantine makes Chrisitianity the official religion of the Roman Empire. 410 AD: Alaric the Goth sacks the city of Rome (by then no longer the capital). The 'height of the Pagan Empire" came several centuries earlier. Barbarians couldn't have sacked Rome at it's height - they could not have got within several hundred miles of the city. "Those who will not study history are condemned to look silly" Peter Trei

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kuro5hin.org || 12 Year Old Girl Commits Suicide After Christian Taunts.
by Jim Choate 19 Mar '01

19 Mar '01

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Zero-knowledge proof
by ispi 19 Mar '01

19 Mar '01

Are there any zero-knowledge proof protocols for possession of discrete logarithm such that X=g^x mod N? N is a composite number, e.g. N=PQ is a RSA module. Thanks.

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On-Line Application for Better A Millstone
by BAM ChildAdvocates 19 Mar '01

19 Mar '01

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Information about Becoming A Member of Better A Millstone
by BAM ChildAdvocates 19 Mar '01

19 Mar '01

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