February 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

not Andy Kaufmann, more like...
by Aimee Farr 14 Feb '01

14 Feb '01

Sherlock Holmes. > say utterly outrageous things simply in order to "tweak" the presumed > eavesdroppers or scare away people whom they regard as too timid to > be worth talking to anyhow. It's best interpreted as performance art > after the style of Andy Kaufmann. It's also good spooksense: If "it" has no ego, "it" has an objective. If you were to read May's comments to me with an eye between the lines, you might see the true nature of my humiliation; ...but probably not. I like to think I'm giving May overmuch credit;...but probably not. Aimee

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by Vin McLellan 14 Feb '01

14 Feb '01

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14 Feb '01

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DCSB: Steven Levy; How the Crypto Rebels Won
by R. A. Hettinga 14 Feb '01

14 Feb '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- [Note that the Harvard Club is now "business casual". No more jackets and ties -- while it lasts, anyway :-)... --RAH] The Digital Commerce Society of Boston Presents Steven Levy, Author, Senior Editor, _Newsweek_ Magazine "How the Crypto Rebels Won" Tuesday, March 6th, 2000 12 - 2 PM The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston One Federal Street, Boston, MA How a group of outsiders envisioned a need for wide-spread cryptography and then took on two daunting missions: providing unprecedented tools to make this happen, and fighting the government for the right to distribute the tools. Steven Levy is a senior editor at Newsweek and author of CRYPTO: HOW THE CODE REBELS BEAT THE GOVERNMENT, SAVING PRIVACY IN THE DIGITAL AGE. He is also author of four other books including HACKERS, ARTIFICIAL LIFE, INSANELY GREAT, and THE UNICORN'S SECRET, and have contributed to many other publications. This meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on Tuesday, March 6th, 2000, from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the Harvard Club of Boston, on One Federal Street. The price for lunch is $35.00. This price includes lunch, room rental, A/V hardware if necessary, and the speakers' lunch. The Harvard Club has relaxed its dress code, which is now "business casual", meaning no sneakers or jeans. Fair warning: since we purchase these luncheons in advance, we will be unable to refund the price of your meal if the Club finds you in violation of what's left of its dress code. We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or, if we *really* know you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by Saturday, March 3rd, or you won't be on the list for lunch. Checks payable to anyone else but The Harvard Club of Boston will have to be sent back. Checks should be sent to Robert Hettinga, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, Massachusetts, 02131. Again, they *must* be made payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", in the amount of $35.00. Please include your e-mail address so that we can send you a confirmation If anyone has questions, or has a problem with these arrangements (we've had to work with glacial A/P departments more than once, for instance), please let us know via e-mail, and we'll see if we can work something out. Upcoming speakers for DCSB are: April 3 Scott Moskowitz Watermarking and Bluespike As you can see, :-), we are actively searching for future speakers. If you are in Boston on the first Tuesday of the month, are a principal in digital commerce, and would like to make a presentation to the Society, please send e-mail to the DCSB Program Committee, care of Robert Hettinga, <mailto: rah(a)shipwright.com>. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0 iQEVAwUBOopVR8UCGwxmWcHhAQGC0wf+Iu5psvIFhQiFdzJhhy2t2ftYtCUwtxe0 jUcfdU+tlzzUNhOaQzbv4ld1+VhpmAGhjtnbrc31SEUqSvdGJeq3xTSyazJHfo8d JO0A5+cdPMYGEd/vD2PH86WcP36/zc6y57PjVZ30dkcrp554mM3s4UKPDTBZW/aX 1kyDtEBK/vHQblt01n5bVU+fCEJYRRV3qP0et3NebGZM4OP9+ehs92+nnd+4bsqN qdGhgZqlsVLlwA9jEkrC0IsrypAqw/Xbxfubof4ys08/UALBNgGY+3dNFhtFmjnG Pq8Jwhvu7CffqLbxFkON/pNu2KtFBBZLx8xep98NyP3a2lllbsCzmA== =E2LW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe from this list, send a letter to: Majordomo(a)reservoir.com In the body of the message, write: unsubscribe dcsb-announce Or, to subscribe, write: subscribe dcsb-announce If you have questions, write to me at Owner-DCSB(a)reservoir.com --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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DCSB: Steven Levy; How the Crypto Rebels Won
by R. A. Hettinga 14 Feb '01

14 Feb '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- [Note that the Harvard Club is now "business casual". No more jackets and ties -- while it lasts, anyway :-)... --RAH] The Digital Commerce Society of Boston Presents Steven Levy, Author, Senior Editor, _Newsweek_ Magazine "How the Crypto Rebels Won" Tuesday, March 6th, 2000 12 - 2 PM The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston One Federal Street, Boston, MA How a group of outsiders envisioned a need for wide-spread cryptography and then took on two daunting missions: providing unprecedented tools to make this happen, and fighting the government for the right to distribute the tools. Steven Levy is a senior editor at Newsweek and author of CRYPTO: HOW THE CODE REBELS BEAT THE GOVERNMENT, SAVING PRIVACY IN THE DIGITAL AGE. He is also author of four other books including HACKERS, ARTIFICIAL LIFE, INSANELY GREAT, and THE UNICORN'S SECRET, and have contributed to many other publications. This meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on Tuesday, March 6th, 2000, from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the Harvard Club of Boston, on One Federal Street. The price for lunch is $35.00. This price includes lunch, room rental, A/V hardware if necessary, and the speakers' lunch. The Harvard Club has relaxed its dress code, which is now "business casual", meaning no sneakers or jeans. Fair warning: since we purchase these luncheons in advance, we will be unable to refund the price of your meal if the Club finds you in violation of what's left of its dress code. We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or, if we *really* know you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by Saturday, March 3rd, or you won't be on the list for lunch. Checks payable to anyone else but The Harvard Club of Boston will have to be sent back. Checks should be sent to Robert Hettinga, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, Massachusetts, 02131. Again, they *must* be made payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", in the amount of $35.00. Please include your e-mail address so that we can send you a confirmation If anyone has questions, or has a problem with these arrangements (we've had to work with glacial A/P departments more than once, for instance), please let us know via e-mail, and we'll see if we can work something out. Upcoming speakers for DCSB are: April 3 Scott Moskowitz Watermarking and Bluespike As you can see, :-), we are actively searching for future speakers. If you are in Boston on the first Tuesday of the month, are a principal in digital commerce, and would like to make a presentation to the Society, please send e-mail to the DCSB Program Committee, care of Robert Hettinga, <mailto: rah(a)shipwright.com>. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 7.0 iQEVAwUBOopVR8UCGwxmWcHhAQGC0wf+Iu5psvIFhQiFdzJhhy2t2ftYtCUwtxe0 jUcfdU+tlzzUNhOaQzbv4ld1+VhpmAGhjtnbrc31SEUqSvdGJeq3xTSyazJHfo8d JO0A5+cdPMYGEd/vD2PH86WcP36/zc6y57PjVZ30dkcrp554mM3s4UKPDTBZW/aX 1kyDtEBK/vHQblt01n5bVU+fCEJYRRV3qP0et3NebGZM4OP9+ehs92+nnd+4bsqN qdGhgZqlsVLlwA9jEkrC0IsrypAqw/Xbxfubof4ys08/UALBNgGY+3dNFhtFmjnG Pq8Jwhvu7CffqLbxFkON/pNu2KtFBBZLx8xep98NyP3a2lllbsCzmA== =E2LW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe from this list, send a letter to: Majordomo(a)reservoir.com In the body of the message, write: unsubscribe dcsb-announce Or, to subscribe, write: subscribe dcsb-announce If you have questions, write to me at Owner-DCSB(a)reservoir.com --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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DCSB: Steven Levy; How the Crypto Rebels Won (fwd)
by Jim Choate 14 Feb '01

14 Feb '01

____________________________________________________________________ Before a larger group can see the virtue of an idea, a smaller group must first understand it. "Stranger Suns" George Zebrowski The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:23:31 +0000 From: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah(a)shipwright.com> To: Recipient List Suppressed: ; Subject: DCSB: Steven Levy; How the Crypto Rebels Won --- begin forwarded text

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Re: Re: freedomforum.org: Federal judge quashes subpoena for...
by Gil Hamilton 14 Feb '01

14 Feb '01

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Zimmerman and Hayden, sitting in a tree...
by George＠Orwellian.Org 14 Feb '01

14 Feb '01

...between a rock and a hard place. CBS this morning was repeating a segment apparently from last night's Sixty Minutes show, on the NSA, PGP and /bin/laden. Nothing new. http://cbsnews.com/now/story/0,1597,266857-412,00.shtml Quick, what was Zimmerman's answer when asked what he thought about the bad guys being able to use PGP? There were misc links... The ACLU has an extensive site about Echelon. Click here for Echelonwatch. http://www.aclu.org/echelonwatch/index.html Another one to nsa.gov explaining their seal's design. One of the Apostles contributed. Like I said, nothing new. But "In the News". Linux advocates should announce Windows XP is the time to switch to Linux permanently.

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RE: watermarking sucks (Re: stego for the censored II)
by Trei, Peter 14 Feb '01

14 Feb '01

I realize that this is *slightly* simplistic, but comparing 2 (preferably 3 or more) copies of the data with different watermark contents should quickly reveal where and what constitutes the watermarking. Of course, there are methods to make this more onerous - MACing the watermarked data for one - but nothing a determined counterfeiter couldn't work around. It only takes one, after all. I'm currently working my way through Schneier's 'Secrets and Lies'. He has one comment I like to the effect that trying to make data not be copyable is a task on a par with trying to make water not be wet. Peter Trei > ---------- > From: Adam Back[SMTP:adam@cypherspace.org] [...] > Of course the whole concept of watermarking is broken at all > levels, copying can not be prevented as the content can typically > be reencoded and lose the watermark, quality is in heavy contention > with the ease with which the watermark can be removed. Even > if it is keyed. And ultimately content can plausibly deniably > be stolen and all it takes is one copy. > > Adam >

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