February 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: Centre for Hypersonics - HyShot Scramjet Test Programme
by Trei, Peter 23 Feb '01

23 Feb '01

I'll speculate that Jim posted this as a demo that 'amateur' rocketry can reach orbit. If you read the article, you'll find it does nothing of the kind. This is suborbital - in fact, the rocket goes almost 350km straight up and down (they're testing scramjet configurations during re-entry). The highest speed reached on the way up is 8300km/hr, which is about 2.3 km/sec. The shuttle at 300 km (a typical height) is going 7.73 km/sec, over 3 times as fast. This sounding rocket goes a little higher, but it can't stay there, and is nowhere near being in orbit. As to range safety, it's worth noting that the Israelis have launched at least one satellite. They were so worried about the reaction of their neighbours that they launched it over the Mediterranean into a retrograde orbit. That way, a launch phase failure would be more likely to hit water, and the contries overflown were less likely to be interprete the launch as an attack. When the Norwegians unexpectedly launched a small rocket over Russia a few years ago, it got to the point of Yeltsin having his 'football' open, with keys inserted ready to send the retaliation command before it was determined to be harmless. Peter > ---------- > From: Jim Choate[SMTP:ravage@einstein.ssz.com] > Reply To: Jim Choate > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 5:59 PM > To: hell(a)einstein.ssz.com; cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com; > rpv-uav(a)einstein.ssz.com; sci-tech(a)einstein.ssz.com > Subject: Centre for Hypersonics - HyShot Scramjet Test Programme > > http://www.mech.uq.edu.au/hyper/hyshot/ > -- > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Before a larger group can see the virtue of an idea, a > smaller group must first understand it. > > "Stranger Suns" > George Zebrowski > > The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate > Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com > www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 > -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- > --------------------------------------------------------------------

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CNN.com - Sci-Tech - Internet company drops plan to sell data - February 23, 2001
by Jim Choate 23 Feb '01

23 Feb '01

http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/internet/02/23/kids.privacy.ap/index.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ Before a larger group can see the virtue of an idea, a smaller group must first understand it. "Stranger Suns" George Zebrowski The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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23 Feb '01

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Re: Sealand and Experimental Rocketry
by Jim Windle 22 Feb '01

22 Feb '01

-- On Wed, 21 Feb 2001 17:43:34 Jim Choate wrote: > >Which is irrelevant because nobody but you, Tim, Declan, and the rest of >the Peyote Pete Club was talking about anything like this. > >For people that seem to be so sophisticated, it's surprising you don't >understand concepts like 'amateur rocket' or 'can-sat'. > Thanks it been a long time since I even seemed sophisticated to anyone. What is not irrelevant to the discussion is, ignoring any range safety problems, is physics. Ignoring the influence of the moon, a satellite orbit is a 2 body problems which is completely specified when its initial conditions (6 scalars for things like velocity and position) are specified at a particular time. When you grind through all the math you discover an interesting condition. No launch site can directly insert a satellite into an orbit with an orbital inclination less than it latitude. (This is why we put our main launch facility in Florida, why the ESA picked Guyana and the Russian moved to Tyrutam from Pletesck and still had to use such big rockets because its still a high latitude) An orbit with 50+ degrees of inclination is not going to visible over areas like North America or Western Europe regularly enough to be of much use for a crypto system. To put it into a useful orbit an orbital! t! ransfer maneuver would be necessary, this requires an additional stage for the rocket. I am aware of the type rocket you are talking about, and launched from an equatorial area they might work, but at 52 degrees of latitude they would have to be able to launch not only the satellite but an additional stage to perform the orbital transfer. This would require not only a pretty capable rocket and a sophisticated control system as well for orbital transfer maneuvering. Even if an amateur system could do this it starts getting very expensive. Hence my contntion that Sealand, even without issues of range safety, is not a very good launch site. Jim Windle ____________________________________________________________________ > > Before a larger group can see the virtue of an idea, a > smaller group must first understand it. > > "Stranger Suns" > George Zebrowski > > The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate > Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com > www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 > -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com

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