December 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

AP Al Quim
by mattd 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

"On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, mattd wrote: > There are checks and balances,get a grip.Read the essay. No, there are not. > Its self limiting.No one who is anonymous has anything to fear from AP. The only way that AP would be harmless to an anonymous person is if they were anonymous to EVERYONE. The entire point of AP is to provide a mechanism to reach ANYONE who might infringe upon your 'rights'. Trying to pitch AP as if only certain classes of people are at risk is simply ignorance (you didn't really read AP now did you) or else you intentionaly misrepresent. Either way, your point isn't valid." Im not trying to pitch AP for anything.It applies to everyone not anonymous.Anybody can nominate anyone else.I was going to bring this up as sort of good indicator for 'reputations'.Negative reputations need rating,weighing and assessment too. The name 'assasination politics' might be seen as a negative.I use operation soft drill.I think that though its paradoxical that threatening people could lead to world peace,as long as no ones died yet,its worth a shot.Theoretically no one has to die. If I was saddam hussein and knew that a pool was accumulating on me.I might consider retirement.I dont think youve read the essay properly or you would remember the 'thermostat' and the 'car thieves' bits.The point is valid and the other point is not to panic.(seen any flying saucers lately?)

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Re: Congress of the rat.
by Jim Choate 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

On Sun, 9 Dec 2001 jamesd(a)echeque.com wrote: > -- > On 10 Dec 2001, at 16:20, mattd wrote: > > Was it Chomsky who pointed out that the capitalist firm is > > structured like a totalitarian state? > > The difference is that you can change firms, or start your > own, without being shot. Which comes more from the involvement of government than any inherent ethical peak capitalism may aspire to (it doesn't so your point is moot unless you also admit the utility of having governments as intermediaries is a positive - can't see a CACL supporter as yourself going that route). -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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AP Al quim
by mattd 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

"Jim Bell would have made AP an underground comedy if he had hung out with the time-wasterists at MIT rather than with the techno-commercialists. But I think his techno-political potboiler succeeds by making a comical wrong turn into the pokey, not once but twice, and inspiring CJ to follow, and mattd, and surely more to come as the AP PR machine gains momentum." jya. Jim seems to have missed out on teenagerhood.CJ seems not to have left teenagerhood.The boiling pot is like darwins discovery of evolution,It turned out to be a rediscovery of the findings of an obscure scottish orchardist.No matter,the theory was required for us all to progress/catch up/evolve further.The basics of AP are out,like bio-warfare and cant be suppressed short of a global panopticon.1984.everywhere,forever.I think we should talk about crypto-anarchy now.

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Delinquent orifacer list
by mattd 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

Subject: RE: Delinquent officer list Thank you for your Internet inquiry. Your message referred to a Jeff Gordon. Is that an employee of the Washington State Department of Revenue? Thank you, Washington State Department of Revenue Information Center -----Original Message----- From: mattd [mailto:mattd@useoz.com] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 8:28 PM To: communications(a)dor.wa.gov Subject: Delinquent officer list Agent jeff gordon is requested to supply the following...Tax Reporting Account number Legal Entity name (individual, partnership or a corporation) Original amount of the debt (the current amount due is not disclosable) Date of lien filing Court where the tax lien was filed Date the business license was revoked (if applicable)In relation to abuse of office in bell trial.

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AP Al Quim
by mattd 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

I hope tech tv does a story on this that enlightens the victorian police and they return the dell cs latitude they stole from me.If AP is illegal I want my day in court.I mantain,with bell,that 'AP' comes with the territory and cant be outlawed without 1984 type totalitarianism.Some type of AP will help usher in ecash and crypto anarchy will take off.Peace,luv and happiness. mattd AKA proffr1(a)fuckmicrosoft.com Subject: Macedon ranges Guardian.fri.june 8.page 3 headline story. M1 PROTESTER GIVEN BAIL-BUT OTHER POLICE INTERESTED A Kyneton man involved in the recent M1 protest in melb.has been accused of promoting what is reffered to as 'assasination politics',and is said to have come to the notice of the United States Secret Service and the Australian Federal Police. Assasination politics,according to the police,is the practice of nominating a person for assasination,inviting the general public to contribute money to a bank account and funding the assasination with the proceeds. Police charged Matthew Stephen Taylor last Friday over the vandelism of a McDonalds fast food outlet during the anti-globalisation protest on may 1. Charges are also pending against Taylor in relation to his alleged Internet activities. On Monday Taylor,46 of Baynton st,Kyneton applied for bail at Kyneton Magistrates Court.Taylor faced two counts of criminal damage and three counts of acting in a manner prejudicial to the good order of a police jail. As Taylor was led into court,he protested his innocence and described Bendigo remand where he had spent the weekend as a 'hell hole'Inside the court he adressed Magistrate William Gibb as "Your Highness" He told Mr Gibb he disagreed with his position on drugs and compared it with the 1930s prohibition on alcohol.He was reffering to the previous defendant who appeared on drug related charges. Taylor was supported in court by his father,Ken Taylor,a Mount Macedon poet who was recently awarded the Kenneth Slessor Prize for poetry at the New South Wales Premiers Awards. Prosecutor,Senior Constable Martin Holland said Taylors application for bail was not opposed but he asked Mr Gibb to impose six conditions. The first condition was "not to post threatening text on the internet toward any person whether located in Australia or elsewhere in the world" Sen.Const Holland said Taylor had made threats on the internet and a computor from Taylors Kyneton adress had been seized and conveyed to Melbourne for examination. Sen.Cons.Holland defended the wording of the first condition by saying it was not a blanket ban on all internet useage. The second condition prohibited Taylor from participating in assasination politics. ...The third condition was not to engage any other person in the first two things. The remaining conditions included a prohibition on Taylor participating in Melbourne demonstrations. Sen.Const.Holland said police had been watching Taylors activities on the website www.indymedia.org with some interest.He said anyone could download information onto the site.He said Taylor was known on the site as the 'nutty proffessor'and had posted a message on the site to chief commissioner of victoria Police,Christine Nixon.Sen.Const. Holland said the message stated that "...should you persist with this folly one of your number will be selected for retirement,i.e.execution." The prosecution called Senior Constable Nicholas Conte who said he had investigated video and photographic footage from the May 1 protest,including video footage of Taylor in an interview with Herald Sun journalist Peter Mickleburough.In it Sen.Conts.Conte said Taylor reffered to himself as "Robin Banks."He said the name was on the indymedia website and was traced back to Taylors adress by the computor Crime Unit. He explained the concept of assasination politics to the court and said he believed it originated in the United States where a man named Bell is currently under sentence in relation to it.He said based on comments Taylor had made on the internet he believed the defendant was advertising and trying to gain support for assasination politics. "He doesnt make any qualms about that."Sen.Const.Conte said. Asked by Mr Gibb what the reality of all this was,Sen.Const.Conte replied that he could not gauge the reality,he could only look at the probability. Under cross-examination from defense solicitor,Mr Cameron Ford,Sen.Const.Conte conceded he did not know if assasination politics had ever resulted in an assasination or attempted assasination.He said the investigation was continuing,with the Computor Crime Squad yet to look at the content of Taylor's computor files. Sen.Const.Holland said Taylors activities had attracted the attention of the US Secret Service and Australian Federal police. Mr Gibb said he did not doubt it,but expressed reservations about the conditions proposed for Taylor's bail. "It just seems to be a nonsense.Im being asked to impose all these conditions that bare no relevance to the charges,"he said. Mr Ford said the internet was something Taylor lives on and spends a great deal of time on. "He would agree to not post threatening text on the internet,but that was as far as he was prepared to go,"he said. Mr Gibb released Taylor on bail with the condition that he not post threatening text on the internet and continue to reside at his adress in Baynton street,Kyneton.Taylor was bailed to appear before the Melbourne Magistrates Court on August 16. END A letter to this paper resulted in their publishing the further information that the police had alleged me to be an anarchist where I stated that I was a may day celebrant(not m1 protestor) to commemorate the judicial murder of the Chicago martyrs.several anarchists framed and hung in Chicago's haymarket affair.I indicated that I was proud to be an anarchist and it was not illegal to be one.This was cut from the main story for some reason.(copy of letter available on request was published 1 week after story above.)Another local paper issued a clarification about me afterI rang them as they had described me as an M1 protester.Spelling in the above article is 'as is'.

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by root 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

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CYPHER.PUNK MAILING LIST failure
by root 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

due to a fuckup with sendmail, cypherpunks at algebra.com did nto work for a while. I was not paying attention until Hal brought it to my attention.

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by root 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

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Nov-L: Narco News wins big! http://www.narconews.com/ (fwd)
by measl＠mfn.org 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

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Jamesd on me is like soviet propaganda
by mattd 10 Dec '01

10 Dec '01

The trouble is that a lot of socialists call themselves anarchists either as a simple cynical lie: (parody of standard commie liar) : : "This time the state really will wither away. : : Trust us. We are different. Once we have total : : power over you and yours you will love it."(jamesd,extract) Yes,so? They are quite easy to expose and I pursue chomsky,Klein and others to pin them down. (mattd extract) The above is about 1 week old ,(Ive made progress in tracing links between klein and chompsky with the ISO.) Well now jamesd comes up with..."except as mattd has recently done -- by citing Chomsky as evidence for the truthfulness of Chomsky, much after the fashion of a Christian who cites the bible as proof of the divinity of Jesus, and Jesus as proof of the infallibility of the bible." When all Id done was ask cypherpunks to compare and contrast jamesd and chompsky on the specific question of spain. Those using the word anarchy might have some interest as might those wondering about the truthfulness (or sanity) of cypherpunks regular jamesd. I might just say at this point that I dont cite jim bell in the fashion of a christian...etc or indeed anyone.Im a skeptic as well as an anarchist."good business is where you find it"

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