December 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: AP Al quim
by David Honig 12 Dec '01

12 Dec '01

At 12:13 AM 12/11/01 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >No, I'm not. 'discrimination' requires(!) 'prejudice'. Prejudice is the In Choate prime, perhaps. For the rest of us, measurement (e.g., the redness vs greenness of a fruit) lets us discriminate useful from not.

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Re: UPI editor: dissent is like soviet propoganda
by Jim Choate 12 Dec '01

12 Dec '01

On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 jamesd(a)echeque.com wrote: > And I have given numerous examples, to which no one has > replied, except as mattd has recently done -- by citing > Chomsky as evidence for the truthfulness of Chomsky, much > after the fashion of a Christian who cites the bible as proof > of the divinity of Jesus, and Jesus as proof of the > infallibility of the bible. [text deleted] Not true. I've asked several times for clarification and never(!!!) received anything from you in responce. I'll look into the text I deleted since it will take a few minutes to review. I'll let you know what I think of your analysis of Chomsky's views. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Tim May; Oxymoron
by mattd 12 Dec '01

12 Dec '01

>>the very idea of a "libertarian socialist" is an oxymoron. It doesn't compute. Sure, we are "libertarian socialists" in a sense within our families or circles of friends, in a manner of speaking, but we are not coerced by external agents to be nice, or socialist, to our family and friends. >>Therein lies the reason why "libertarian socialist" is such an oxymoron." Tim. "but we are not coerced by external agents to be nice, or socialist, to our family and friends." What if the coercing external agent were operation soft drill? It cant be the anarchist police can it? Under libertarian socialism (anarchism)the only external coercive agents possible would be distributed,available to all and anonymous.External coercive agents are a distinguishing feature of authoritarian socialism and corporate capitalism.Anarchy (libertarian socialism)is the best way forward to minimize external coercion (violence) Operation soft drill while it allows for inevitable violence,it should keep it to an absolute minimum once it takes off.A computer in every village is as important as a well.This AP idea is the justice system for the whole wired world. Crypto-anarchy needs justice or it will fail.

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Earn Cash, Find Errors in _Disappearing Cryptography_.
by Peter Wayner 12 Dec '01

12 Dec '01

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Nobrain nescio
by mattd 12 Dec '01

12 Dec '01

>>But with AP any small group of people that can put up enough money to >hire an assassin can get their way. The going rate for a murder is around $5-10K to off an average person, more if he's heavily guarded. >If 100 people put up $100 each then that's enough to get someone killed. Thats what I keep telling them at indymedia,we can leverage our numbers to bring justice and protect freedom of speech. Indy keeps no logs and you can go there quad anon,pledge your bloc's 5-10 k and leave.Payable after the revolution,no crypto required.This is operation soft drill and will leave cypherpunks as a right racist cul de sac. >>Imagine a secret ballot where any measure to increase government power would pass if it received as few as 100 votes. How much freedom would >you have left in such a society? That's what AP represents. Der,as much freedom as you have now? Is it true there are 5 million laws in the US now? >And keep in mind that the people buying the assassination are fully anonymous. There is no way to know who is funding the AP market. There is no check or limit on the extent to which anonymous individuals with >>private grievances can buy the deaths of anyone who gets in their way. NOMEN AP or militant anti-choice fanatics already operating? In the 'let it all hang out' version of AP,operation soft drill,no ones anonymous unless they want,its an exercise in civil disobedience and whats the charge again? betting on a date? SAMPLE OSD international calls for pledges to be pooled and paid for the closest prediction of the exact time that noshame nescio ceases to post silly rubbish to this list.I pledge 1 dollar,I will send to the anonymous predictor. >>Police forces, heavily armed and always travelling in teams, will receive their orders via encrypted, digitally signed messages from elected officials. Any government official who must interact with the public, whether a building inspector, a drivers' license examiner, even a fireman, would get hazardous duty pay. Wearing masks might become >routine for such officials. Wow! No one will ever find them out! They would be queuing up to predict the retirement of any ashcroft on steroids who tried this foolishness.Listen to yourself.Are you an american? (Minarchy anyone?) >>Taxes (much higher than before due to the greater expenses of operating the government) could be charged based on imputed property values depending on zip code and acreage. Everyone in a particular neighborhood would be charged a fixed amount per square foot. Any household which does not provide the required fee (via cryptographic anonymous transfer into the government account of course) would have its property subject >to confiscation by police. Armed resistance would be met by military >force including helicopter gunships. Isnt this already going on? RICO.(+like the anti-abortion zealots thang.)Could lead to violent revolt, if true.The police state would have to be 1984 in size and scope.2 million prisoners in US gulag.(dont frighten the horses:) No sense of citizens options here nes.Like rent strikes,slowdowns,defacing the currency,the list is endless. Read some anarchy,or even cia(nica manual) will you,there are some anarchists here. >>We can live in a world of crypto anarchy, but it won't be pretty. And the government certainly won't wither away. Anyone who thinks that attacking the government will weaken it should have learned a lesson from September >11th. When it feels itself under attack, the government strikes back How can we have our crypto anarchic cake and eat it? There is finally one question only,who is to be master,thats all? We live in crypto anarchy more and more."The bourgeois fascist state may leave this world in ruins but dont forget who built those cities and can build them again for themselves. We have always lived in ruins and holes in the wall,yet its us that will inherit the earth, we carry a new world in our hearts...that world is growing as we speak." Durrutti. >We are all the losers as our freedoms are destroyed. All things must be paid for in this world.Tanstaafl.Shrub? "Id buy that for a dollar!" KILLTHEPRESIDENTKILLTHEPRESIDENTFASTERPUSSYCATKILLKILL.

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AOLTW hires ex Secret Service
by Dirk Boxcuttah 12 Dec '01

12 Dec '01

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/bpihw/20011210/en/aol_tw_secures_secret_serv… AOL TW secures Secret Service vet By Georg Szalai NEW YORK (The Hollywood Reporter) --- In the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, AOL Time Warner Inc. is breaking new ground in the media industry, saying Monday that it has named the deputy director of the U.S. Secret Service to the new position of chief security officer and senior vp. Larry Cockell, a 20-year Secret Service veteran, will start his new assignment at the world's largest entertainment and online conglomerate Jan. 14. Reporting to AOL TW executive vp administration Patricia Fili-Krushel, Cockell will be responsible for security on a global basis, coordinating and overseeing all security policies and operations, the company said. Analysts said Monday that they were not aware of similar positions at other media giants but that big corporations in other fields have started shoring up their security operations following Sept. 11. "I don't know of such a chief security officer position at any of AOL's media peers," Kaufman Bros. analyst Paul Kim said. "But this is definitely a growing trend at S&P 500 companies." <snip>

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48 hours
by mattd 11 Dec '01

11 Dec '01

The au puppet satellite state is bringing in legislation to allow unnamed secret police (against law to reveal their ID) to kidnap and keep people 48 hous.Presumably they may then be rekidnapped.My response at melb indymedia. 48 hours in a windowless box,under full time,lights on surveillance with a toothache? been there,done that. With creeping secrecy y'all wont have to worry your pretty little heads at all.A drumhead secret military court can disappear independent journalists without a trace. "The govt.doesn't protect me from the terrorists,the govt.is the terrorist" AND What scares the state? by proffr 5:58pm Thu Nov 29 '01 The state fear 'assasination politics' I hope they are correct to do so. Lawyers and journalists should be stocking up on crypto right now and no one should do business with a lawyer or journalist without crypto,preferably in a confessional box. Before 1975, most of us would not have been able to imagine public-key encryption.Encryption can pose potentially insurmountable challenges to law enforcement and should when law enforcement becomes kidnapping. The governmental powers that be can't do much about drug-dealing or terrorism--if only because they themselves are the chief drug dealers and the chief terrorists.Fuck this government. We are the government and we say what happens and doesn't happen in this country.

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N-grams and the state,
by mattd 11 Dec '01

11 Dec '01

At 11:25 AM 12/11/01 +1100, mattd wrote: >"...What are N-Grams? N-Gram Analysis is a a method patented by the NSA ..." > >"You spooks are a bunch of gray, snivelling, alcoholic, Aldrich Ames >lookalikes driving around in your rusty Toyotas." Perhaps, but this does not negate the discriminative value of n-grams. END. Look baba rum raisin,Your right,I rush sometimes,relying on the good will and intelligence of the list and I make mistakes.Im sorry.OK.Ill try not to do it again.

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by brokers-university 11 Dec '01

11 Dec '01

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