December 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: CNN.com on Remailers
by Nomen Nescio 17 Dec '01

17 Dec '01

Peter Trei writes: > Modulo the recent discussion of how some remailers > treat traffic from other known remailers differently than > mail from unknown addresses, remailers don't need to > know about each other. > > If they don't know know about each other, and there is > nothing on the machines which suggest they no about > each other, it's difficult for a law abiding remailer operator > to become inadvertantly linked to a non-lawabiding one. Did you even read the message which explained WHY remailers need to know about each other, and why they need to treat traffic from remailers different from that from unknown addresses? Your message shows no sign of it. Rather than issuing your blanket statement that remailers don't need to know about each other, you need to explain how to deal with the issues which presently require the contrary.

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by Major Variola (ret) 17 Dec '01

17 Dec '01

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by Major Variola (ret) 17 Dec '01

17 Dec '01

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RE: CNN.com on Remailers
by Trei, Peter 17 Dec '01

17 Dec '01

Modulo the recent discussion of how some remailers treat traffic from other known remailers differently than mail from unknown addresses, remailers don't need to know about each other. If they don't know know about each other, and there is nothing on the machines which suggest they no about each other, it's difficult for a law abiding remailer operator to become inadvertantly linked to a non-lawabiding one. Of course, IANAL, so we're going to hear about 'happy fun court' not being amused (sigh...) Peter > ---------- > From: Eugene Leitl[SMTP:Eugene.Leitl@lrz.uni-muenchen.de] > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 11:17 AM > To: Trei, Peter > Cc: cypherpunks(a)lne.com; 'An Metet' > Subject: RE: CNN.com on Remailers > > On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Trei, Peter wrote: > > > If I were a remailer operator, I'm not sure I'd like this. Active > > cooperation with another remaler operator means that if > > he/she/it does something illegal, you could be dragged in > > How is this different from the current situation? Is usage of a specific > mainstream protocol sufficient protection from conspiracy charges? Joe Bob > Postfixuser is hardly a remailer operator. > > > on 'conspiracy' charges, regardless whether you actually > > had any knowledge of the the other operators nefarious > > activities. > > -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> > ______________________________________________________________ > ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.leitl.org > 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 > > > > > ============================================================================ ================ This e-mail, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and are PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. Access by any other party is unauthorized without the express prior written permission of the sender. If you have received this e-mail in error you may not copy, disclose to any third party or use the contents, attachments or information in any way, Please delete all copies of the e-mail and the attachment(s), if any and notify the sender. Thank You. ============================================================================ ================

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RE: CNN.com on Remailers
by Trei, Peter 17 Dec '01

17 Dec '01

If I were a remailer operator, I'm not sure I'd like this. Active cooperation with another remaler operator means that if he/she/it does something illegal, you could be dragged in on 'conspiracy' charges, regardless whether you actually had any knowledge of the the other operators nefarious activities. Peter Trei > ---------- > From: An Metet[SMTP:anmetet@freedom.gmsociety.org] > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 11:17 PM > To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com > Subject: RE: CNN.com on Remailers > > > Remailer operators should have permanent encrypted links to one another, > > with constant (or at least message-uncorrelated) traffic volumes. > > They can still use latency, message pools, and other features, of > course. > > But when it comes time to deliver messages to the next remailer in the > > list, that should be done with a reliable and direct connection that > > doesn't have to depend on the vagaries of sendmail, procmail, Microsoft > > servers or the many other layers that get in the way. This would both > > increase the reliability of the remailer network and improve its > security > > by hiding inter-remailer traffic. > > Great idea! Cypherpunks write code. Let us know when you have something we > can look at. > > > > > ============================================================================ ================ This e-mail, its content and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and are PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. Access by any other party is unauthorized without the express prior written permission of the sender. If you have received this e-mail in error you may not copy, disclose to any third party or use the contents, attachments or information in any way, Please delete all copies of the e-mail and the attachment(s), if any and notify the sender. Thank You. ============================================================================ ================

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RE: CNN.com on Remailers
by Eugene Leitl 17 Dec '01

17 Dec '01

On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Trei, Peter wrote: > If I were a remailer operator, I'm not sure I'd like this. Active > cooperation with another remaler operator means that if > he/she/it does something illegal, you could be dragged in How is this different from the current situation? Is usage of a specific mainstream protocol sufficient protection from conspiracy charges? Joe Bob Postfixuser is hardly a remailer operator. > on 'conspiracy' charges, regardless whether you actually > had any knowledge of the the other operators nefarious > activities. -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.leitl.org 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3

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