November 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

MI5 Plan to detect terrorists
by measl＠mfn.org 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

Right out of a Monty Python piece... http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/06/30/nger… MI5's secret plan to recruit gerbils as spycatchers By Michael Smith, Defence Correspondent (Filed: 30/06/2001) MI5 considered using a team of highly-trained gerbils to detect spies and terrorists flying into Britain during the 1970s, Sir Stephen Lander, the service's director-general, revealed yesterday. The plan was based on the ability of gerbils to detect a rise in adrenalin from changes in the scent of human sweat. Sir Stephen said the Israelis had put the idea into practice, placing gerbil cages to the side of security checks for travellers at Tel Aviv airport. A suitably placed fan wafted the scent of the suspect's sweat into the cage. The gerbils were trained by Pavlovian response to press a lever if they detected increased adrenalin, receiving food as a reward. The system was never put into practice by MI5 because the Israelis were forced to abandon it after they found that the gerbil could not tell the difference between terrorists and passengers who were scared of flying. Speaking at a conference at the Public Record Office in Kew, Sir Stephen said MI5 archives contained a complete volume on the idea - which was based on Canadian research for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police - written in the 1970s. Although Dame Stella Rimington made a practice of speaking publicly in an attempt to change MI5, yesterday's Missing Dimension conference was only the second occasion that Sir Stephen has done so. The conference marks a new PRO exhibition on espionage, Shaken Not Stirred, starting today, which includes exhibits on a number of spies including Mata Hari and a spy paid the equivalent of 6.5 million by King George I to spy on the Stuarts. The Missing Dimension refers to the fact that most histories are written before intelligence files have been released and so omit a crucial element of what occurred and why. Sir Stephen admitted that it would be a long time before MI5 would be able to release details of its Cold War activities. -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin(a)mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: "Rigorous and objective" (if at first...)
by Faustine 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Gil wrote: Faustine writes: >Tim wrote: > > >Besides the above points, a "rigorous and objective analysis" is work > >for bean counters...and is only interesting to other bean counters. >So von Neumann, Kahn, Schelling and Nash are boring, huh. >I'd rather follow their examples than spend year after year chitchatting >on Usenet. Such an intelligent and creative man, what a waste. >>Then what the hell are you doing here, chitchatting on the list many >>critics have characterized as Tim's private cesspool? Good question. I guess it's just that I love to argue, and you could hardly ask for a better assortment of intelligent and colorful characters to mix it up with. I enjoy the back-and-forth; putting out documents people here might find useful and interesting--and most importantly, being able to give my unvarnished opinion without, well, worrying too much about being rigorous and objective. For instance, if anyone wants to tell someone here to go fuck themselves, they just come right out and tell them to go fuck themselves. How refreshing, positively theraputic! Expressing a little heartfelt hostility isn't always a bad thing...LOL Anyway, Usenet is an entirely different animal. Why anyone so intelligent would waste five minutes on that pack of pumpkin-headded "God Bless Amerikuh" drooling imbeciles is beyond me. It literally makes me want to puke just thinking about it--no wonder Tim always seems so dyspeptic. >Yes, Tim. Come on. Faustine will be doing Important Rigorous and >Objective Policy Analysis. Her work will have Real Impact. Members of >Congress and the Administration will invite her to come give them >briefings (at least those with sufficient clearance). Think whatever you please, it certainly suits me fine. >She just doesn't want to "show her hand" yet. You know, all those >paparazzi can be so annoying. And it's hard to get important Policy >Analysis done when you're being pestered by all those lightweights >in Congress. Actually Congress is chock full of lightweights. And all their ratty little undereducated staffers who soak up whatever lobbyists and their shoddy two-bit partisan "guess tanks" happen to be shilling for this week. I know plenty of quality analysts who loathe testifing before Congress--quite unlike the faceless horde of guess tank media whores scrambling for the spotlight. I'll say this much: getting pro-freedom policy analysts in positions where they don't have to scramble to be heard will be the real accomplishment. Not just knocking their heads against a brick wall as per usual. >Besides: Gosh! Just think: we'll be able to say that we knew her when. No comment. LOL Infuriatingly yours, ~Faustine. *** The right to be let alone is indeed the beginning of all freedoms. - --William O. Douglas, Associate Justice, US Supreme Court -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. (Diffie-Helman/DSS-only version) iQA/AwUBO/Wkdvg5Tuca7bfvEQJwzACfdbfJz/Xlre/j5ddSBWBsx5ai7NcAnA99 MaOCrYYU4incdfh5jmVZOjXU =t3OS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Our Socks are on Fire
by Support 23 Nov '01

23 Nov '01

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23 Nov '01

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Nuclear Pipe Bombs
by Tim May 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

On Monday, November 19, 2001, at 12:15 PM, baptista(a)pccf.net wrote: > exactly right Ken .. as i said before to Tim May - propaganda is the > key. Example - antrax theatre. > > i must admit i'm warming up to Tim May's tall pipe means of attaining > critical mass - much easier then playing with explosive and timing > devices - my only question is do our experts see a problem with > that means of delivery? > As I made clear in my post, it's not _my_ idea. It's one of the standard "basement nuke" proposed designs. I don't particularly care whether "nuclear terrorist" is added to my dossier by the agents in place here on this list, or by other readers, but I don't want to get credit not due me. Also, I'm not a nuke designer and don't plan to answer questions about neutron crossections, thermal excursions before criticality, etc. I will mention that Ken Brown's "many pieces along the length of the pipe" is the worst way to do this: it buys nothing over the two pieces approach and it causes all sorts of problems with the pieces getting too hot as they come together on the way down. (For example, the penultimate chunk falling toward the ultimate chunk...likely to already be melting and spraying molten U-235 inside the pipe. Just another fizzle. And fizzles are not very interesting, for reasons I stated. A way too expensive way to spread mere radiological terror, which could be done much more cheaply and easily by taking spent fuel rods and blowing them up, or just by grinding up spent fuel rods or other nuclear waste and then dumping it out of a plane over a city.) By the way, some calculations are still needed (by basement nuke designers) on what the closing speed needs to be to get a reasonable chain reaction yield. The rough calculations I saw said that a fall from 40 feet, with good tamping behind and all on sides of the masses, would work. But it would be easy enough to accelerate the falling mass even more. An explosive charge, maybe even a rocket motor. (The Little Boy nuke was of course a "gun" design. The maker of a basement nuke has the advantage of not having to be portable in even the sense that the Hiroshima (Little Boy) and Nagasaki (Fat Man) nukes were portable-with-a-big-bomber. The basement nuke can be surrounded by lots of shielding (to foil N.E.S.T.), can use lots of tamping material, and can be wasteful in use of fissionables.) --Tim May "Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice."--Barry Goldwater

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Re: Cypherpunk failures
by Ken Brown 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

"Major Variola (ret)" wrote: > > At 01:34 PM 11/18/01 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: > >On Sat, Nov 17, 2001 at 08:03:49PM -0800, jamesd(a)echeque.com wrote: > >> So though the cypherpunks list is moribund, and cypherpunks > >> are no longer fashionable, > > > >True. The DC cypherpunks are thinking of changing their name to > something > >more cuddly. > > Harmless Little Nerds? > Cryptotubbies? > Happy Fun Infosec Society? Much too 1990s. These times suit more loyal-sounding names. "Programmers Rally Against Terrorism"?

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Got blood agar?
by Major Variola (ret) 22 Nov '01

22 Nov '01

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