November 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Basque-American code-talkers
by Pedro J. Oiarzabal 03 Nov '01

03 Nov '01

Dear Sir/Madam, I am a PhD student at the Center for Basque Studies, University of Nevada,Reno. At the moment I am researching the participation of Basque-Americans in WWII and The Korean War. In particular, I am interested in the so-called Basque code-talkers or the use of the Basque language in intelligence/communication services (Signal Corps Unit, since 1942, in San Diego or San Francisco communication centers during the Pacific Campaign). Also, I am interested in contacting WWII or The Korean War veterans or relatives, which could have been involved in the aforementioned service. I have not found any substantial information on the matter and that is the reason I am contacting you. I would appreciate if you could help me in the research -- through the publication of this notice in your website and/or newsletter, if possible Thank you, Yours sincerely, Pedro J. Oiarzabal Center for Basque Studies University of Nevada, Reno NV 89557 pjo(a)unr.edu http://basquestudies.unr.edu Intelligence Forum (http://www.intelforum.org) is sponsored by Intelligence and National Security, a Frank Cass journal (http://www.frankcass.com/jnls/ins.htm)

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Re: Rubber hose attack (fwd)
by Jim Choate 03 Nov '01

03 Nov '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 09:51:10 -0700 From: lynn.wheeler(a)firstdata.com To: JohnE37179(a)aol.com Cc: cryptography(a)wasabisystems.com, Jason.Gruber(a)btinternet.com, JohnE37179(a)aol.com, rick_smith(a)securecomputing.com, vertigo(a)panix.com Subject: Re: Rubber hose attack i believe i said that ROI represented the total cost of the program to eliminate some fraud compared to the total amount of fraud. in the credit card scenerio it isn't enuf to know the cost per event. assuming that adding chips to those payment cards is a solution. in there US there are something less than a billion new cards sent out each year ... and adding a chip could cost on the order of $25 each. Just for the chips (ignoring for the moment the issue of reader provisioning) ... that cost might be somewhere in the $15b to $20b per annum range. There would have to be a huge number of $3500 per fraud events eliminated by a comprehensive chip program to justify it. so as referenced in the previous postings .... advances in technology can reduce the cost of dealing with fraud (in the chip card case ... it would be nice to reduce it from $20b/annum to maybe under $1b/annum; say a combination of significantly reduced chip costs as well as the number of new sent out each year) while at the same time increasing the amount of fraud (criminals find it easier to counterfiet existing cards increasing the amount of traud that happens). However, generically (except for some specific exceptions), the majority of fraud has tended to be insider fraud. Just improving things with strong authentication &/or identification doesn't directly address insider fraud, significant audit, command & control, and compensating procedures are needed to be in place to address significant amounts of insider fraud (who, effectively by definition, have already been authenticated and identified). JohnE37179(a)aol.com on 11/02/2001 08:26 pm wrote Again, this is only a very small part of the problem. The Inspector General's office reports that the average identity fraud in the Social Security Administration costs over $100,000. Texas Medicaid loses approximately 25% of its $4 billion budget to fraud. The ABA reports that the average cost of each credit card fraud for the issuer exceeds $3500. Each incident of identity fraud in recruiting costs DOD over $500,000. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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03 Nov '01

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Re: Proving security protocols (fwd)
by Jim Choate 03 Nov '01

03 Nov '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 18:15:47 +1300 (NZDT) From: Peter Gutmann <pgut001(a)cs.auckland.ac.nz> To: bmukherj(a)styx.uwaterloo.ca, cryptography(a)wasabisystems.com, rick_smith(a)securecomputing.com Subject: Re: Proving security protocols Rick Smith at Secure Computing <rick_smith(a)securecomputing.com> writes: >At 09:00 AM 11/1/2001, Roop Mukherjee wrote: >>Can someone offer some criticism of the practice formal verification in >>general ? >Okay, I'll grab this hot potato. I may as well speak up as well then... I spent most of a chapter of my thesis looking at formal security verification in fairly exhaustive detail (if I missed anything I'm sure I'll hear about it soon :-). You can get it as http://www.cryptoapps.com/~peter/04_verif_techniques.pdf. The conclusion is that there are more effective ways to spend your time and money, but for the full story I'd recommend you read the above document. Peter. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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Re: Rubber hose attack (fwd)
by Jim Choate 03 Nov '01

03 Nov '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 22:26:28 EST From: JohnE37179(a)aol.com To: lynn.wheeler(a)firstdata.com, JohnE37179(a)aol.com Cc: cryptography(a)wasabisystems.com, Jason.Gruber(a)btinternet.com, rick_smith(a)securecomputing.com, vertigo(a)panix.com Subject: Re: Rubber hose attack In a message dated 11/2/01 8:46:25 PM, lynn.wheeler(a)firstdata.com writes: << the following from a thread on some of the fees related to fraud issues at >> Again, this is only a very small part of the problem. The Inspector General's office reports that the average identity fraud in the Social Security Administration costs over $100,000. Texas Medicaid loses approximately 25% of its $4 billion budget to fraud. The ABA reports that the average cost of each credit card fraud for the issuer exceeds $3500. Each incident of identity fraud in recruiting costs DOD over $500,000. John Ellingson CEO Edentification, Inc. 608.833.6261 ||||# |||||| |||||| --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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Re: Rubber hose attack (fwd)
by Jim Choate 03 Nov '01

03 Nov '01

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 19:45:26 -0700 From: lynn.wheeler(a)firstdata.com To: JohnE37179(a)aol.com Cc: cryptography(a)wasabisystems.com, Jason.Gruber(a)btinternet.com, JohnE37179(a)aol.com, rick_smith(a)securecomputing.com, vertigo(a)panix.com Subject: Re: Rubber hose attack the following from a thread on some of the fees related to fraud issues at http://lists.commerce.net/archives/internet-payments/200110/maillist.html specifically from a thread on Visa/MasterCard Antitrust Comments. Here's an interesting quote taken directly from Judge Barbara Nelson's decision (the full text of the decision is available at: <http://home3.americanexpress.com/corp/doj/crt_dec_011009.pdf>): "Defendants' ability to price discriminate also illustrates their market power. Both Visa and MasterCard charge differing interchange fees based, in part, on the degree to which a given merchant category needs to accept general purpose cards. Transactions with catalog and Internet merchants, for example, which rely almost completely on general purpose cards, have higher interchange fees than 'brick and mortar' merchants. Defendants rationalize this difference by pointing to increased fraud in these merchant categories, but this explanation is belied by the fact that the Internet merchant, not Visa/MasterCard or their member banks, bears virtually all the risk of loss from fraudulent transactions. Even today, Amazon's fraud rate is lower than mail-order companies, yet it is charged (indirectly, through the merchant discount) the same interchange fee as these mail order companies. The reality is that Visa and MasterCard are able to charge substantially different prices for those hundreds of thousands of merchants who must take credit cards at any price because their customers insist on using those cards." --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)wasabisystems.com

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Basque Code Talkers
by John Young 03 Nov '01

03 Nov '01

>From Intel Forum mail list:

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American Schools Need Flattening Too
by Eric Cordian 03 Nov '01

03 Nov '01

Students in AmeriKKKan government-run schools have never had much freedom of speech, since the courts have ruled that all administrators have to do is mumble something about the "disruption" of the (laugh) "educational process" and civil rights conveniently evaporate. Still, there's something annoying when a high school student isn't allowed to publicly question the War in Afghanistan. Contrast this with the Vietnam War, before the police state had been racheted up to its current degree of tightness. Asscruft now wants life sentences for anyone yelling "Anthrax" in a public place, or sprinkling talcum powder on their friends. "Zero Tolerance" moves from the classroom to the rest of society. In other news, we have received credible information from several usually reliable sources that some unspecified person or group might commit an unspecified terrorist act against an unspecified target in the near but unspecified future. We urge everyone to be on their highest alert, and ignore anything that sounds like screaming children being cluster bombed. ----- CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- A judge ruled Thursday that a 15-year-old sophomore cannot form an anarchy club or wear T-shirts opposing the U.S. bombing of Afghanistan because it would disrupt school. Katie Sierra was suspended from Sissonville High School for three days for promoting the club. She was also told she could not wear T-shirts with messages such as: "When I saw the dead and dying Afghani children on TV, I felt a newly recovered sense of national security. God Bless America." In a complaint filed with her mother, Sierra argued her right to free speech was being denied. Circuit Court Judge James Stucky agreed that free speech is "sacred" but he found that such rights are "tempered by the limitations that they ... not disrupt the educational process." [Congress shall make NO LAW abridging the freedom of NON-DISRUPTIVE speech (Guffaw)] Sierra said she'll pursue the dispute. "I don't want war. I'm not for Afghanistan," Sierra said. "I think that what we're doing to them is just as bad as what they did to us, and I think it needs to be stopped." James Withrow, lawyer for the Kanawha County Board of Education, argued that an anarchy club was inappropriate because students "do not feel that their school is a safe place anymore." "Anarchy is the antithesis of what we believe should be in schools," Withrow said. Sierra's attorney, Roger Forman, said she is "being punished for expressing her opinion." -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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03 Nov '01

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