October 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Baltimore Digital Commerce Society-- Korhammer on Lava Trading, Nov 6
by Peter Wayner 18 Oct '01

18 Oct '01

This event was originally scheduled for October 2nd, but it is being pushed back to November 6th because Lava Trading used to be located on the 83rd floor of the WTC. Richard Korhammer's office was only 50 feet away from where the plane hit. Miraculously all of the company survived. Korhammer was across the street with a client during the entire event. But please come to listen to hear about their company not about the WTC. They're almost back on-line after having their entire office destroyed. These guys are building a very cool, cross-exchange tool. It constantly keeps track of the bids and asks on a number of exchanges letting you send your business to where the prices are best. It's fascinating to watch the screen update the quotes in real time. This kind of semi-automated, trading assistance is bound to become more and more prevalent. I think Lava Trading is doing some of the most interesting stuff around. -Peter Baltimore Digital Commerce Society Tuesday October 2, 12:30 Speaker: Richard Korhammer, CEO of Lava Trading (www.lavatrading.com) Topic: Networks as Markets-- Why Exchanges are Becoming Virtual Richard Korhammer is the CEO of LavaTrading, one of the startup companies in New York diving into cross-market arbitrage. Their network links together all of the important market makers in ECNs and keeps track of all bids and offers. Buyers and sellers using the technology automatically get pointers to the best price possible. Traders with large blocks of stock do substantially better because Lava Trading will break up their block to match it with the best price available across all of the markets. This cross-market arbitrage improves liquidity for the market and makes it simpler for traders with large blocks of stock to wade into the marketplace without leaving a wake. In his talk, Korhammer will explore how fast networking and sophisticated servers can supplement and potentially replace the old fashioned stock exchange. Traders won't need to come to one place or one exchange to search for the best price because the network can constantly sort through all buyers and sellers. Korhammer believes that adding intelligence to the network and the servers supporting is more efficient than requiring traders to manually manage an otherwise complicated marketplace. Will these cross-exchange tools supplant the exchange? Will they eventually become the exchange? Will the disintermediation eventually make all trading a transparent event? Location: 11 West Mount Vernon Place, Baltimore, MD Directions: The Engineering Society lies in the shadow of Baltimore's Washington monument in the center of town. From downtown, take Charles St north to the monument. The Society is to the left on Monument Street. From the north, take 83 south to Maryland Avenue exit. Follow Maryland Avenue south until Monument Street. The Society is to the left. Or look at this map: http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?BFCat=&Pyt=Tmap&newFL=Use+Address+Below&add r=11+Mount+Vernon+Place&csz=Baltimore%2C+MD+21201&country=us&Get%07Map=Get+M ap Cost: $14 for a lunch buffet Questions: pcw(a)flyzone.com

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Re: Kill Killfile
by John Young 18 Oct '01

18 Oct '01

And another excellent quality of cpunks that does indeed impress the world of media bloodthirstiness, is the number of its outstanding writers sent to jail, some repeatedly, for cutting edge taunts of illiterate critics, diseased poobahs and for sure, aesthetic cowards who ever try to pump up their fiction with idiotic pretense of non-fictional earnestness. Now I know its a grave offense to those with gravitas (spit) to ridicule their seriousness of purpose and pretentious judgmentalism, but they pose such easy targets, for all purposes I can see, beg to be made fun of, display abysmal ignorance of what they write, cite spurious authorities for it, remind when it was first, last, and forever written, just cannot forgo wild swings at fantasms, urge close attention to their pulp, deliver sweeping statements as if a world authority, viciously attack untalented writers like themselves, slather the most shallowly manipulating praise ever imaginable, and probably lay awake at night dreaming of triumph, a Nobel Prize or violent heroic death before dishonor. This is what I like about cypherpunks and find repugnant about Cyberia which has produced no jail time for its members, but more advice on how to avoid it than is good for humanity. A refuge for intellectural and corporal cowards, Cyberia, among many other lists, is, but in time that will hopefully change, in particular if I can persuade you and Declan to go over the line all great writers must do to spend jail-time among the winners and stop sucking up to losers who will always remain unimpressed having no judgment worth writing about.

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Re: Who represents the detained? Nobody...
by An Metet 18 Oct '01

18 Oct '01

Anonymous whined: > > It's nice that there's a forum available to you > where you are free to assert and assume whatever > you wish, without the inconvenience of any > substantiation. And it's pretty fucking obvious that you have never been in any situation dealing with the police either, right, asshole? Even before 9/11, it was not at all uncommon to be rousted by the pigs, hauled off to jail, and refused the right to call a lawyer or anyone else, simply for the crime of looking "not quite right" or black, or radical, or what the fuck ever. There have been numerous cases of people being arrested and held for weeks, right here in the good old USA, with no charges, no phone calls, no rights. Think you really have rights? Just get into any sort of confrontation with the pigs and try talking about rights and see what happens. People get beat all the time. Fuck you, you stupid little piece of shit -- I'd like to give you just a tenth of the beatings I've had from the pigs. wl p

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Re: Risks of bogus e-mail addresses "FROM: ObL" (Wayner, RISKS-21.68)
by Sascha Mattke 18 Oct '01

18 Oct '01

That news is nonsense. I talked with the priest who was cited on vnunet. He said that some Filipino members of his church received that sms and were also questioned by the police (very politely, he stressed), but this was in no way related to receiving the sms. The padre basically said that the story was made up by a leftist ngo called Migrante International, then printed without research by the inquirer, and then found its way on the net. He and some Filipinos are now demanding the ngo to apologize for spreading fear with the relatives of the questioned people. Sascha Mattke, Redaktion BIZZ, Stolberger Strasse 200, 50933 Koeln Tel +49 (0) 221 - 5341-575 mattke.sascha(a)bizz.de http://www.bizz.de

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Re: Risks of bogus e-mail addresses "FROM: ObL" (Wayner, RISKS-21.68)
by Sascha Mattke 18 Oct '01

18 Oct '01

That news is nonsense. I talked with the priest who was cited on vnunet. He said that some Filipino members of his church received that sms and were also questioned by the police (very politely, he stressed), but this was in no way related to receiving the sms. The padre basically said that the story was made up by a leftist ngo called Migrante International, then printed without research by the inquirer, and then found its way on the net. He and some Filipinos are now demanding the ngo to apologize for spreading fear with the relatives of the questioned people. Sascha Mattke, Redaktion BIZZ, Stolberger Strasse 200, 50933 Koeln Tel +49 (0) 221 - 5341-575 mattke.sascha(a)bizz.de http://www.bizz.de

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used lab equiptment
by Optimizzin Al-gorithm 18 Oct '01

18 Oct '01

For sale, used: 1 incubator & culturing gear 2 freeze drying equiptment 3 ultrasonicator capable of powderizing to 1 micron

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Re: Detainees, Personal Libertarianism, and Vengeance
by Nomen Nescio 18 Oct '01

18 Oct '01

> For the past 35 years of my politically awake life, I have found it very > clarifying to think of _all_ proposed or existing laws in terms of how > it could apply to _me_. Seen this way, I have no problems supporting > laws against murder, burglary, or other such crimes. You're not even being consistent. You yourself have indicated that you would engage in murder of those you viewed to be violating your rights. Even if they have merely inconvenienced you by holding you a few days longer than you thought proper, or not providing enough access to an attorney, you would kill the guards and other low-paid employees who are doing no more than temporarily limiting your freedom of action. In fact, the other day you threatened to murder a reporter who misquoted you; in fact, you further suggested you would torture him and kill his entire family. These are innocent children who never did a thing to you, and you would kill them in cold blood. Only a subhuman animal, devoid of any semblance of morality and decency, would suggest such a thing. "How would you like it," to quote your own words, if after commiting these outrageous crimes, society gave you what you deserved? Would you enjoy being put on trial for your life? Being sentenced to life imprisonment or death? How can you support laws against murder, while threatening that action at every turn? Of course, the alternative is that you are pathetic liar, a pitiful blowhard whose bombast is his only hope of concealing his fears and inadequacies. You have no intention of killing anyone, which is why you don't bother with consistency in your impotent rants. The narcissism description fit you to a tee. All you want is attention, like an immature child. What a loser.

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Re: Next act of the drama ?
by Optimizzin Al-gorithm 18 Oct '01

18 Oct '01

At 11:58 PM 10/17/01 -0400, Dave Emery wrote: >Cc: sme2(a)yahoogroups.com > >Folks, the MSP has placed the following BE ON THE LOOK OUT BULLETIN (BOLO) >for a theft that occurred in New Jersey yesterday of a 45 foot >trailer/truck combo with hazardous chemicals inside: Nice of them not to inform the public of the chems themselves, which would be useful. Got Phosgene?

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Re: Kill Killfile
by Optimizzin Al-gorithm 18 Oct '01

18 Oct '01

At 12:03 AM 10/18/01 -1000, Reese wrote: > >it?) we mean the *exact* *opposite* of what we seem to be saying. And > >when we use this sort of supercilious sneer (pay attention now, it is > >very subtle) we mean both what we are apparently saying *and* its > >opposite, simultaneously, the two held in tension in an unstable melange > >of fractal meaning. > >Otherwise known as Cognitive Dissonance. Draw your own conclusions. And quantum superposition. Put that in your pipe and toast it.

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Re: Detainees, Personal Libertarianism, and Vengeance
by Optimizzin Al-gorithm 18 Oct '01

18 Oct '01

At 11:59 PM 10/17/01 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: >Torturing and murdering the innocent children of someone who may -- >let's even stipulate a moment of malice -- have written an article >that misquoted you is not exactly behavior that civilized society >should applaud. Depends. Males, including what are now called 'minors', of the defeated may be killed at will, according to the (admittedly archaic but still worshipped) texts of the dominant religions in places like US, Arabia, etc. According to the pissed off arabs, the US has been starving arab children. The US certainly hauled asian children out to the desert in the last official war. Just label them 'collateral damage', drop some vegetarian rations on them, and you can feel good about yourself while you count your cropdusters..

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