October 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: Where The Torture Never Stops...
by Faustine 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 George wrote: On 26 Oct 2001, at 15:51, Faustine wrote: > I'll never know if I made a difference, but it's the idea that counts. > > > ~Faustine. > >That's an incredibly fucked-up thing to say, >even for you. >George Context is your friend: "I'll never know if my sending books made a difference to the people in the prison I sent books to, but the idea of doing what I can to help likeminded people is what matters to me." I'll bet no one else here lacked the rudimentary reading comprehension skills required to understand that. ~F. *** The right to be let alone is indeed the beginning of all freedoms. - --William O. Douglas, Associate Justice, US Supreme Court -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. (Diffie-Helman/DSS-only version) iQA/AwUBO9nNxfg5Tuca7bfvEQJB9gCgnH/6wjI2DxIlSEvV9dp6mJGcNPwAoMCv jVg3KxIAKAkfr3F1kaTksdpG =SgDM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: Where The Torture Never Stops...
by Faustine 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sandy wrote: > Also, jail/prison libraries are >woefully lacking in the sort of books you REALLY need. Yep. So why not do a little something about it? I've been donating books to a local women's prison for awhile: Ayn Rand, history books, old textbooks, etc. can go a long, long way. Go to the local library sale and load up on the fifty cent hardbacks, ten cent classic paperbacks--such a small investment when you think of the good that might come of it. Magazine subscriptions are probably worth looking into, too. I was meaning to do that myself, thanks for the reminder. Of course "what you REALLY need" is in the eye of the beholder, but if more literate, concerned people at least made an effort to get what THEY would want to read into the prisons,it could only be a good thing. I'll never know if I made a difference, but it's the idea that counts. ~Faustine. *** All the resources of a superpower cannot isolate a man who hears the voice of freedom, a voice I heard from the very chamber of my soul. - --Anatoly B Shcharansky -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. (Diffie-Helman/DSS-only version) iQA/AwUBO9m+r/g5Tuca7bfvEQIHdgCfa7ne28nKgzEMPY/RBJZxOwXN7lwAoOtC Bk/masgLZJWSben7iIoJLQMx =iee8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Where The Torture Never Stops...
by keyser-soze＠hushmail.com 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

Many on this list should consider themselves candidates for free speech persecution. I plan to treat my situation as would a person facing a "three-strikes" incarceration for a petty crime and suggest you all do the same. If LEs should up for questioning I will treat them as the "security operatives" from Tim's quote of Alexander Solzhenitzyn's, "Gulag Archipelago." At 03:41 PM 10/26/2001 -0400, Matthew Gaylor wrote: At 1:36 PM -0400 10/26/01, Duncan Frissell wrote: Besides, "Prison is not punishment to the literate." DCF ---- Of course you may have to read standing up until you get used to it. Regards, Matt- Rape used as control in U.S. prisons <<http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/archives/091401/091401l.htm> By NEVE GORDON National Catholic Reporter, September 14, 2001 Many prisoners are targeted for sexual exploitation the minute they enter a penal facility; their age, looks, sexual preference and other characteristics mark them as candidates for maltreatment. In a new groundbreaking report, Human Rights Watch documents the widespread prisoner-on-prisoner rape in U.S. men's prisons. The rights group accuses state authorities of not taking measures to prevent and punish rape and, in many cases, for allowing this cruel form of abuse to persist.

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Re:当天使遇到魔鬼？
by wanglili＠mail.china.com 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

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by info＠giganetstore.com 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

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James Glassman wants national IDs: "We have to give up" privacy
by Declan McCullagh 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

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Al-Jazeera Guide in English
by Khoder bin Hakkin 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

This link http://www.cursor.org/aljazeera.htm has stories about censorship & satellites and a link to a site that translates Al-Jazeera's site. (That link seems slow but the site is up.)

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Ministry of truth: ABC anchor regrets remarks
by Khoder bin Hakkin 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

[Yes ABC is a nominally private entity (modulo their govt license and use of spectrum) but note that she was speaking on her own time.] Friday October 26 02:16 AM EDT By Andrew Grossman NEW YORK (The Hollywood Reporter) --- ABC anchorwoman Carole Simpson on Thursday said she regretted some of the remarks she made at an Oct. 16 conference that led to her two-week suspension from Sunday's "World News Tonight." The network took that action in the wake of her speech to the International Women's Media Foundation in New York where she revealed various details about the 7-month-old infant who contracted anthrax and his mother, a producer at ABC. Simpson's comments were particularly ill-timed because network executives had announced the illness only the night before and were still trying to communicate information to the media and ABC employees about the situation. In her speech, Simpson gave away the sex of the child -- a boy -- and revealed the producer's identity -- she was Simpson's producer. Executives were also upset about Simpson telling the conference that "This Week" co-host Cokie Roberts had received a suspicious letter postmarked Trenton, N.J., in the Washington bureau, where Simpson also works. But the letter proved innocent and it did not come from Trenton, leaving officials livid that Simpson had bypassed the network's process for disseminating anthrax information. In her statement, Simpson said she regretted sharing the erroneous information, saying: "When any of us in this profession makes a mistake, it's important to say so." But she made no mention of her revelations about the mother's and baby's identities. ABC News declined to comment, saying it was a personnel matter. Chris Bury replaced Simpson on Oct. 21. Simpson is due back Nov. 4. --------- "Propoganda outlets are military targets" -NATO during FRYwar

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Assasination politics 3,Terra Australis
by mattd 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

Professor fights like a cornered rat...AP trial 3?...can this be the end of RICO. Previously unpublished by macedon ranges gaurdian 11:11pm Fri Oct 26 '01 A dead tree story that has just been collated.Relevance is the seizing by police of citizens laptop and holding for nearly 5 months without charges presented. M1 PROTESTER GIVEN BAIL-BUT OTHER POLICE INTERESTED A Kyneton man involved in the recent M1 protest in melb.has been accused of promoting what is reffered to as 'assasination politics',and is said to have come to the notice of the United States Secret Service and the Australian Federal Police. Assasination politics,according to the police,is the practice of nominating a person for assasination,inviting the general public to contribute money to a bank account and funding the assasination with the proceeds. Police charged Matthew Stephen Taylor last Friday over the vandelism of a McDonalds fast food outlet during the anti-globalisation protest on may 1. Charges are also pending against Taylor in relation to his alleged Internet activities. On Monday Taylor,46 of Baynton st,Kyneton applied for bail at Kyneton Magistrates Court.Taylor faced two counts of criminal damage and three counts of acting in a manner prejudicial to the good order of a police jail. As Taylor was led into court,he protested his innocence and described Bendigo remand where he had spent the weekend as a 'hell hole'Inside the court he adressed Magistrate William Gibb as "Your Highness" He told Mr Gibb he disagreed with his position on drugs and compared it with the 1930s prohibition on alcohol.He was reffering to the previous defendant who appeared on drug related charges. Taylor was supported in court by his father,Ken Taylor,a Mount Macedon poet who was recently awarded the Kenneth Slessor Prize for poetry at the New South Wales Premiers Awards. Prosecutor,Senior Constable Martin Holland said Taylors application for bail was not opposed but he asked Mr Gibb to impose six conditions. The first condition was "not to post threatening text on the internet toward any person whether located in Australia or elsewhere in the world" Sen.Const Holland said Taylor had made threats on the internet and a computor from Taylors Kyneton adress had been seized and conveyed to Melbourne for examination. Sen.Cons.Holland defended the wording of the first condition by saying it was not a blanket ban on all internet useage. The second condition prohibited Taylor from participating in assasination politicsThe third condition was not to engage any other person in the first two things. The remaining conditions included a prohibition on Taylor participating in Melbourne demonstrations. Sen.Const.Holland said police had been watching Taylors activities on the website www.indymedia.org with some interest.He said anyone could download information onto the site.He said Taylor was known on the site as the 'nutty proffessor'and had posted a message on the site to chief commissioner of victoria Police,Christine Nixon.Sen.Const. Holland said the message stated that "...should you persist with this folly one of your number will be selected for retirement,i.e.execution." The prosecution called Senior Constable Nicholas Conte who said he had investigated video and photographic footage from the May 1 protest,including video footage of Taylor in an interview with Herald Sun journalist Peter Mickleburough.In it Sen.Conts.Conte said Taylor reffered to himself as "Robin Banks."He said the name was on the indymedia website and was traced back to Taylors adress by the computor Crime Unit. He explained the concept of assasination politics to the court and said he believed it originated in the United States where a man named Bell is currently under sentence in relation to it.He said based on comments Taylor had made on the internet he believed the defendant was advertising and trying to gain support for assasination politics. "He doesnt make any qualms about that."Sen.Const.Conte said. Asked by Mr Gibb what the reality of all this was,Sen.Const.Conte replied that he could not gauge the reality,he could only look at the probability. Under cross-examination from defense solicitor,Mr Cameron Ford,Sen.Const.Conte conceded he did not know if assasination politics had ever resulted in an assasination or attempted assasination.He said the investigation was continuing,with the Computor Crime Squad yet to look at the content of Taylor's computor files. Sen.Const.Holland said Taylors activities had attracted the attention of the US Secret Service and Australian Federal police. Mr Gibb said he did not doubt it,but expressed reservations about the conditions proposed for Taylor's bail. "It just seems to be a nonsense.Im being asked to impose all these conditions that bare no relevance to the charges,"he said. Mr Ford said the internet was something Taylor lives on and spends a great deal of time on. "He would agree to not post threatening text on the internet,but that was as far as he was prepared to go,"he said. Mr Gibb released Taylor on bail with the condition that he not post threatening text on the internet and continue to reside at his adress in Baynton street,Kyneton.Taylor was bailed to appear before the Melbourne Magistrates Court on August 16. update... A recent article by keith suter in the age suggested that money could be offered for osama bin laden,dead or alive.(It already is for information by the US and private bounties are being raised. Tail of article... In short, does the US have an exit strategy? Here is an alternative grand strategy that Bush could have adopted. Assuming that bin Laden were guilty, then the US could have said, first, that it would not attack Afghanistan because it had suffered enough from the Soviet invasion, civil war, drought and now the Taliban (about a quarter of the world's refugees are Afghans). On the contrary, the US would now help to rebuild the country with massive amounts of foreign aid. And second, the US could have offered a massive reward (say $US500 million - the equivalent of the cost of half a B-1 bomber) for bin Laden dead or alive. That sum of money would attract groups like the Russian mafia to work with Afghans to do the operation. Indeed, with that sum of money some of the Taliban might find the reward very attractive themselves. Dr Keith Suter is senior fellow with Global Business Network Australia I put this here because I want to warn keith, who is based in sydney that I may need to subpoena him soon. Nearly 5 months ago police took my laptop and said that I was advocating 'assasination politics'where money is offered to have people killed.I was working as an entertainment journalist at the time.I recently applied to have the laptop returned.The police recently stated that they are still examining the computer.I believe in the equality of all beneath the rule of law. matt aka proffr1(a)nospamfuckmicrosoft.com

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Re: Torture Never Stops..
by Nomen Nescio 26 Oct '01

26 Oct '01

Listen, its not a return to fascism. Not by any stretch, so unbunch your panties. unbunch(panties); Some Americans are tired of being stepped on. Me in particular. Its way different than the inferrence you infer. I am sure that we agree on the same stuff, we just dont agree on how to get there. I would love to meet in the middle someplace, as long as my beloved fellow unblamed citizens remain free and unharmed in the process. If a foreign guy ends up in a cell someplace because of some questionable activities, like LYING about knowing one of these terror mongers, LYING about knowing particular details, like having screwy immigration documents.... that shit adds up. It may not MEAN the guy is guilty of something, but dang... its preventive medicine. If a guy happens to get waxed, then a guy happens to get waxed. That happens in prison. It happens to innocent people in prison. It happens to guilty people in prison. It shouldnt happen but it does. Deal somehow with it. Anyways, I dont think this will effect mainstream Americans and the odd cypherpunk thrown in among them. Unless that cpunk happens to be Middle Eastern, and guilty of something previously determined to be suspect. But in the long run will we, considering ourselves Freedom Advocates (believe it or not, I consider myself one), hang ourselves with the collective rope we inadvertently meant to provide to our ropers? My position: I am not willing to give up ANYTHING for my freedom... But then again, I dont have screwy immigration documents that would cause anyone to want to usurp my individual freedoms. I will not give up encryption, or privacy. Ya know its weird, because I hear the Freedom folks say: "Oh yea, thats what -they- always say to you, 'if you have not done anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about'" and now I feel thats not far from the truth, in a strange zenexistential way. Someone tell me why thats a bad statement. I mean, if I HAVE done something wrong, I should be afraid, right? Heres the message we should try to send with our words and our actions: Dont fuck up and try to kill Americans. Because we will fuck you in your ass with a greased lightning tomahawk missile that will gut you and your camel, and the 5 wives you both rode in on... along with those 15 little terrorists a year you keep pumping out, in your own words. By the way, forget about sex for fun with those broads... apparently there is a mandate to 'copulate to populate, not just to fornicate'. SNAP, after lookin at some of 'dat shit, I would rather masturbate. No wonder they wear veils, dey breath must stank to High Heaven. Unfortunately, the civilized world is counting on us to hold shit together for financial stability. So we have to catch up the guys who have sorta fallen behind and made a mess of things for us in a way. Smacks of New World Order, dont it? I dont like it either, but hey... >From a distance, this is al-Hatfields and Wal-McCoys, and we(USA) are Sheriff Andy Taylor and Israel is Deputy Barney Fucking Fife, and he keeps shooting himself in the foot every time we try to draw down on that stupid family feud that we now gotta clean up after cuz the SAUDIS (or the REST of the arab contingent) cant TCOB, cuz they dont wanna get their hands dirty just to protect their status quo, tally ho, lets get the Americans to do it. Come on, say it... say what you feeeel man :) Dont blame the 'extremist right' of America for this clamping down on our beloved freedoms. now... Are you still free? Can you say what you want in this political climate? Could you ever? Does it matter? Are your papers in order?

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