January 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

More on G3s
by Tim May 14 Jan '01

14 Jan '01

[Sent this morning, 1/11, to algebra.com address. Not received as of 11 hours later. So am sending out to cyberpass.net address.] At 1:12 PM +0100 1/11/01, Tom wrote: >Jim Choate wrote: >> Up until then I thought I did too...I"m not so sure any more. >> >> It's not a clone of the HK G3 as it was explained to me, it was apparently >> used as an interim weapon when the German Army dropped the HK G3 as a >> standard issue weapon a few years ago (ala G11). Maybe FAL, they're >> selling a 'G1' rifle that uses caseless ammo? Though I can't find a >> reference to any such rifle. Maybe it was CETME you do see their gun >> pushed as the 'G3' (the HK is a 'clone' or derived weapon from the Spanish >> gun). > >a friend of mine was an officer in the german army until very recently >(he decided to get a real job :) ) - give me 24 hours and I'll tell you >exactly what the past and current standard issue weapons are and what >kind of ammo they fire. On Choate's point above, it is not FAL (a rifle, but I assume Choate must mean the maker of the FAL, Fabrique Nationale, now owned by another company, IIRC) who are making a caseless ammo rifle. Rather, it is in fact H-K. The G11 has been in development for close to 30 years now. (H-K are _also_ owned by another company. Last I heard, a British company bought H-K, though the factories and design groups remain in Germany.) Most NATO countries have now adopted some variant of the 5.56 mm cartridge, in either M-16-type variants or in bullpup designs like the excellent Steyr AUG or the newer HK G36 (with a civilian model, the SL8). Neither the caseless ammo of the H-K G11 not the flechette-firing prototypes are getting wide acceptance. And as relates to Choate's "I was right" point, repeated again recently, the G3 in use by the German army was most definitely a 7.62 mm, i.e., a .308 Winchester. It was _not_ the 5.56 mm variant, at least not for wide use. (I say this because quibblers like Choate like to find examples where _someone_ used a 5.56 mm and then say "See, I was RIGHT!") --Tim May -- Timothy C. May tcmay(a)got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns

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Another genious on physics...
by Jim Choate 14 Jan '01

14 Jan '01

Like the sparks don't release charge that gets distributed via Gauss's Law to the OUTSIDE of the sphere... http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.98.11.09-98.11.15/msg00035.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ Before a larger group can see the virtue of an idea, a smaller group must first understand it. "Stranger Suns" George Zebrowski The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Jim on E&M
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 14 Jan '01

14 Jan '01

Jim, I remember that whole Faraday cage discussion - it was painful. When it comes to E&M you're really off in the tall grass. Mike

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And speaking of bad memory or intenional shit stirring...
by Jim Choate 14 Jan '01

14 Jan '01

http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.1997.12.25-1997.12.31/msg00119.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ Before a larger group can see the virtue of an idea, a smaller group must first understand it. "Stranger Suns" George Zebrowski The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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About those EM waves, Gauss's Law, and somebodies fucked up physics...& incomplete CH archives
by Jim Choate 14 Jan '01

14 Jan '01

http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.1998.11.02-1998.11.08/msg00169.html If the waves aren't reflected where do they go? The Faraday Cage is the only place since it's absorbing them. What happens when that happens? A charge builds up on the cage. Then what happens? The charge leaks away to Earth. What happens when a charge flows? A current you say? And then what? A EM field you say? Wow, and we build detectors for both static and dynamic fields. Imagine that. What happens is this: EM field strikes ungrounded Faraday Cage. This induces a current in cage conserving the energy of the EM Field. When that field goes away the electrons in the cage now have energy over their ground state. So what does a happy electron do when it has extra energy and wants to go to ground? It gives it away. What do we call that? EM radiation or radio/light/heat. Easily detectable. Don't ground the shield you're just making an antenna. One kind of antenna like this is called a box antenna. It also happens to be why they build stealth planes out of something other than conductors (ask yourself how that flat plate 'reflects' the radar). If an electron always seeks the shortest path (which it doesn't, it hops around quantum like and is only probabilisticaly taking the shortest path, this old wives tail ignores the 'like charges repel' rule) then how come lightening branches? How come lightening is several inches to a couple of feet in diameter. Are you saying a tube is a shorter path than a line? Are you saying that two paths through the air have EXACTLY the same resistance? That's pretty unlikely yet almost all lightening has branching. And if a spark gap is actually conserving charge (it doesn't, if it did a spark gap radio wouldn't work) then where does all that Ozone come from? What do you thing happens when the ozone breaks down with the first UV photon that comes bopping along? They break apart and make O2 and O (which has a charge). I did notice while tooling around the CH Archive that it's not complete. There are at least two posts in the 'Gauss' discussion that were a responce to emails later on in the discussion (graphics showing ways to build 'batteries' that had excess charge in contravention to the supposition proposed that all batteries had to have no excess charge to distribute to the sphere). -- ____________________________________________________________________ Before a larger group can see the virtue of an idea, a smaller group must first understand it. "Stranger Suns" George Zebrowski The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Fuck you Tim.
by Jim Choate 14 Jan '01

14 Jan '01

Yep, I never recognize my mistakes. Not once... http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.1997.12.25-1997.12.31/msg00100.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ Before a larger group can see the virtue of an idea, a smaller group must first understand it. "Stranger Suns" George Zebrowski The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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And abou that Gauss thing...
by Jim Choate 14 Jan '01

14 Jan '01

What's that about Gauss's Law not operating on a sphere?... http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.98.11.23-98.11.29/msg00038.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ Before a larger group can see the virtue of an idea, a smaller group must first understand it. "Stranger Suns" George Zebrowski The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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