September 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

CDR: Re: RC4 source as a literate program
by David Honig 03 Sep '00

03 Sep '00

At 09:48 PM 9/1/00 -0400, Tim May wrote: >(Not taking anything away from Furlong's work. I bought Knuth's book >on LP, circa 1994 or so, but never got into it in a major way--being >a Lisp and Smalltalk kind of person, I didn't see the point. But, to >be fair, there was much discussion of "how can they ban programs when >programs are speech?" back in 1993 or so, when Clipper was a hot >issue. To "pull a Tim," check the archives.) The issue is one of complexity management, and synch. How to keep doc synced to code, how to reduce impedence of poor sap forced to learn and edit someone else's code.

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CDR: Re: Whipped Europeans
by David Honig 03 Sep '00

03 Sep '00

At 09:46 AM 9/2/00 -0400, A. Melon wrote: > > People have grafted hops vines onto cannabis roots for years, that >ain't no net legend. Hops and C.s. are closely related, and grafting ain't genetic surgery. Catnip is also related, which explains certain feline behaviors. (Just kidding, likely catnip is anti-parasite, and cats somehow know this... that's the most rational explanation I've heard for feline affinity for that mint.. now get your claws off me.. damn feline antidefamation league) But now that the knowledge of the high DMT content >in many common plants, such as reed canary grass (.58%-1% wet), which grow >widely all over NA and Euro and much of the rest of the world, is being >just as widely disemminated, along with the very simple extraction >techniques (run it through a Wheat Grass Juicer, slow dry the liquid, smoke) >the possibility of controlling strong psychedelics is nil. > Reed Canary grass, BTW, has proven almost impossible to eradicate, where- >ever it has a foothold. What are you, a toadpunk? goddamn tryptamine freaks. Keep your jaguars to yourselves. The sequence for smallpox is in the public domain, btw. The endogenous endorphin peptides previously mentioned would be the smallest concern, if synthesizers became common. Libyans taking molebio courses watch out. Hey Joe, where you goin' with that sequence in yo' hand? .. looking forward to <whatever>-producing-kudzu... 8-)

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CDR: Re: "..do not count on the anonymity of the Internet to serve
by David Honig 03 Sep '00

03 Sep '00

At 06:56 PM 9/1/00 -0400, Bill Orme wrote: According to one law >enforcement >spokesperson: "Anyone who would use the Internet to >commit >a crime should understand one thing -- do not count on >the >anonymity of the Internet to serve as a shield for >your illegal >conduct. As technology advances, so do our >investigative techniques >and our abilities to protect the public." It would help to use a more anonymous terminal (than your college) and not to attack someplace where you've worked. And not to have the stock options in your real name. Sounds like an act of desparation, not a carefully planned attack. Of course, the dude couldn't have done the attack had he not worked there before, and info-traffickers will learn to use better authentication. Means, motivation, opportunity.

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CDR: Re: Whipped Europeans
by Steve Mynott 03 Sep '00

03 Sep '00

No he is British. On Thu, Aug 31, 2000 at 01:33:57PM -0400, Ken Brown wrote: > > Er, I thought Terry Pratchett was a European... > > Steven Furlong wrote: > > > > Michael Motyka wrote: > > > > > > Petro wrote: > > > > What do you expect from a bunch of whipped Europeans? > > > > > > > > To quote T. Pratchett "They don't need chains, they have obedience." > > > > > > > The only difference is that they know they are whipped. We have the > > > chains but no obedience. Chains paid for by our own money. > > > > It's better to be chained but with the goal of freedom than to be an > > unchained but content slave. The self-proclaimed masters can be > > overthrown, lethally if need be. > > > > (Thought I'd beat Tim to that. I don't kill without good cause, but I'd > > count this as a good cause.) > > > > SRF > > > > -- > > Steve Furlong, Computer Condottiere Have GNU, will travel > > 518-374-4720 sfurlong(a)acmenet.net > > -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott steve(a)tightrope.demon.co.uk why shouldn't truth be stranger than fiction? fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- mark twain

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CDR: Re: Re: Is kerberos broken?
by Sampo A Syreeni 03 Sep '00

03 Sep '00

On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, petro wrote: > Of course, a *simple* substitution of one word (or even >spaces) would make this *much* harder. As I said, people on this list hardly have a problem with dictionary attacks. > "Friends, Romulans, fellow countrymen, lend me your beers..." > > (I probably buthered the hell out of that, never having heard >or read the original, but I think it gets the point across) Wasn't that your whole point? ;) Sampo Syreeni <decoy(a)iki.fi>, aka decoy, student/math/Helsinki university

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03 Sep '00

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CDR: Re: Whipped Europeans
by Sampo A Syreeni 03 Sep '00

03 Sep '00

On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, David Marshall wrote: >Not to mention that there exists a certain peptide, the name of which >escapes me at the moment, which is naturally occuring in the >brain. It is five amino acids long, and exerts an effect about 5000 >times stronger than that of Heroin. There are far more where that came >from. Of course. Just as there is anandamide, the transmitter which hemp compounds mainly mimic. Only you do not easily get such substances into the brain without using a needle - proteins generally do not get through the blood-brain barrier absent active transport. So you would need proteins which, after somehow having been delivered in the blood stream whole, are actively transported (this means extra 'handles' so that the molecule is recognized) across the barrier, then we probably need a working mechanism which then processes (cleaves, oxidises etc.) to obtain a final active compound. All in all, you do not easily deliver proteins to the brain. >Time for the War on Neurobiology. I'll have to use that one. Sampo Syreeni <decoy(a)iki.fi>, aka decoy, student/math/Helsinki university

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CDR: Re: Whipped Europeans
by Sampo A Syreeni 03 Sep '00

03 Sep '00

On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, David Honig wrote: >>Nuh. I think they should be happy about biology education - might one day >>give them a nice young crackpot with the talent to create a drug user >>killing flu... > >Then they lose a taxpayer or at least prison slave labor. Well, who's there to say you cannot create less potent variants first, which only make users sicker than normal people. Then, over a couple of decades, increase the effect subtly. If done in secrecy we can accumulate 'research' which shows that the drugs indeed do kill, lending popular support to even stricter control/paternalism. >The US govt funds research into vaccines that make recreational >pharmaceuticals not fun in the innoculated. I know. I think they already have the first prototypes ready, at least for THC. Of course, it's not very dependable yet. Actually putting the relevant functionality in a suitably well designed retrovirus could innoculate most of the population without ever seeking consent. Again, possible to achieve in secrecy since at least THC is known to be unpleasant to some people - suddenly the percent would be 90. Biotech certainly opened some interesting horizons for me... ;) Sampo Syreeni <decoy(a)iki.fi>, aka decoy, student/math/Helsinki university

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CDR: Re: Whipped Europenas
by Sampo A Syreeni 03 Sep '00

03 Sep '00

On Fri, 1 Sep 2000, No User wrote: >> Nuh. I think they should be happy about biology education - might one day >> give them a nice young crackpot with the talent to create a drug user >> killing flu... > > Or better yet, a flu that killed everybody without sufficient THC residue >in their body. Or a modified influenza (which I think is a retrovirus - anybody?) which actually splices your THC gene into the subject's own genes for good, perhaps with a promoter area borrowed from some suitably chosen selectively activated gene (say, the gene controlling lactic acid metabolism which could make for a high every time the person engages in anything physical). Whatever. Of course there are lots of variations. Actually I think that the post about THC producing oranges is a bit far flung. From what I know about THC, it's pretty far from a protein, which are the only things produced under the control of a single gene. I also think that oranges are not very close relatives of hemp, so it is unlikely that close enough precursors to THC would be present to enable us to produce THC with the addition of a single enzymatic cleavage stage or some such simple step. And from what I know about genetic technology, it isn't quite on the level of enabling complicated (i.e. considerably more than a single gene) biochemical syntheses to be transferred from species to species. In a word, I think the magic oranges might be legend. Of course, there might be shortcuts - instead of using recombinant DNA techniques, we could perhaps try to get cells with both orange and hemp cellular nuclei to divide. I don't think either of these particular plants is prone to accepting such a treatment (unlike, I think, rye). Sampo Syreeni <decoy(a)iki.fi>, aka decoy, student/math/Helsinki university

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CDR: Sender: owner-cypherpunks@einstein.ssz.com
by Rob Henry 03 Sep '00

03 Sep '00

Explain what this site is please! cos' i'm very confused

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