September 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

CDR: censorship rears its head
by A. Melon 14 Sep '00

14 Sep '00

Lieberman: Entertainment Must Police Itself or Else By Kalpana Srinivasan Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - Sen. Joe Lieberman decried a "culture of carnage" surrounding Americas young people and told a Senate committee Wednesday that the government should stop the marketing of violent movies, music and video games to children if the industry fails to police itself. <snip> http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGI11ED63DC.html Lynne Cheney, former Chairman, National Endowment for the Humanities, is set to testify before the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation on Wednesday. Cheney is planning to take direct aim at Eminem for his "hatred of women" with depictions that are "degrading and violating". Cheney will also zero in on the rappers record distibutor, SEAGRAMS, Hill sources reveal. She will challenge members of SEAGRAMS board. <snip> http://www.drudgereport.com/mat28jj.htm Snipers Needed.

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CDR: surveillance tech lists?
by An Metet 14 Sep '00

14 Sep '00

Can anyone reccomend any email lists for discussing surveillance technology? tia

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CDR: What? No more Snap.com?
by Snap.com/NBCi 14 Sep '00

14 Sep '00

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CDR: Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
by Eric Cordian 14 Sep '00

14 Sep '00

Jodi Hoffman <jlhoffm(a)attglobal.net> writes: > I knew there was a reason I printed out NAMBLA's website > throughout the years. So you can lie about what's in it cleverly enough not to get caught? You *are* the same Jodi Hoffman who claims Sex Education is Satan's Doorway to our Childrens' Innocence, aren't you. The world's most prolific frivilous lawsuit filer and nuisance to public educators everywhere? > Maybe you really are a member of NAMBLA. It certainly sounds like it. Right, lady. Everyone who doesn't buy into the Sex Abuse Agenda as presented by their local contingent of Religious Fanatics or Lying Feminists Cunts is a NAMBLA member. You're one of those fine people whose agenda it is to intimidate their opponents into silence, and then lie about what it is they would have said, had they been permitted to speak. > I wonder if you would tell the parents to their face how important you > think it is to preserve the information put out by the people who helped > cause their son to be murdered, rather than doing something to help > prevent it from happening again. NAMBLA's rather boring text-only web site, containing comments by noted educators, scientists, humanitarians, and artists on the topic of transgenerational male homosexuality, moral panic, youth rights, and extreme sex laws, is hardly, as the Curley family has alleged, a magical resource which changes heterosexuals into pedophiles, and mild-mannered Milquetoasts into murderers. Any more than your web site changes atheists into God-Soaked anti-Sexual Freaks like yourself. Go beat your "childrens' victimization" drum elsewhere. This is a cryptography and civil liberties list. Start your own Fascistpunks list if you want a forum to spew. As for the credentials of Robert Curley, who is *USING* his own son's murder as a platform to attack causes the religious and political right wing wants to damage, he is the only one of 2,000 city employees to be allowed to "opt out" of four hours of mandatory "diversity training," because it would have forced him to "mouth beliefs he didn't espouse." He also called the course, which attempts to prevent discrimination in the workplace based on gender, sexual orientation, and race, "feel-good crap." Like most death-penalty promoting defenders of the Christian Coalition who try to undermine civil liberties while misdirecting the public with talk of "child protection" and "pedophile activity," Curley sees an opening to present the agenda of himself and his associate whores for Jesus cloaked in words no politician dares oppose without committing political suicide. It would be unwise to let him succeed. That having been said, I don't think freedom of speech is going to sink or swim based on whether the NAMBLA web site is mirrored in numerous locations. Their lawyers may very well have advised them not to put it back up or encourage others to host it pending the resolution of their legal tangles. All perspectives on all varieties of human sexuality are available at a mouse click anyway, in the age of the Internet, and are so widely distributed geographically that censorship is impossible. In that sense, part of NAMBLA's original mission has passed it by, as it is no longer necessary to distribute opposing points of view on anything in brown paper envelopes via snail mail. If NAMBLA wants it mirrored, mirror it. If they don't, print it out and epoxy it to the side of Jodi Hoffman's barn as an example to other censorous cows. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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by your success 14 Sep '00

14 Sep '00

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CDR: RE: Is kerberos broken? cpunk
by David Honig 13 Sep '00

13 Sep '00

At 11:06 AM 9/13/00 -0400, Trei, Peter wrote: >Here's an example of a good passphrase: > >"David grossly underestimates the ability of homo sapiens to memorize >and exactly reproduce long texts. An examination of American >high school students ability to perform the Gettysburg Address is a >good counterexample." > >222 bytes, more or less. Even if we assume only 1bit of entropy per >character (it's ordinary english), that's a pretty tough space to search. >It's a safe bet that those two sentences have never been placed >together in all of human history before now, so there's no dictionary >to check. > >The problem is not that passphrases *can't* be made secure - >the problem is that most people are unwilling to use good ones. > >Peter Trei Well I'm flattered :-) and impressed. I would be more impressed if e.g., you actually used such an entropic phrase, in real life. Of course, we don't expect you reveal the actual length of your 'phrase. I think you have convinced me, reinforcing something I've learned and propogated: convenience over security. You have also reinforced something that fits with what I know of cog sci, and which gets to the limits of H. sapiens: you can only remember large things if they're structured 'meaningfully'. Kasparov can't remember *random* chessboards better than you, only real ones. DH, CSEE & Cog Sci '86

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CDR: Re: McVeigh, Freedom Fighter or Kook?
by No User 13 Sep '00

13 Sep '00

Ray said: > Mcveigh, as he is, is just a random crazy. But if, say, one > out of ten American Citizens or so had looked up from the news > story and gone, "It's about time somebody started fighting those > bastards" then he'd have a constituency to whom he could be a > freedom fighter. And also a nonzero chance of causing real > change. And just what is it that makes you think that "one out of ten" didn't secretly cheer that news? Or maybe more? And even if it were only "one out a thousand", isn't that a significant number? Even in the First American Revolution, not that many actually took up arms. Many were totally against it, and fought for the Brits. If one in a thousand took up arms today against the fedz, wouldn't that out- number the US military?

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CDR: Re: [OT] California senator tries to mandate remote kill switches
by Michael Motyka 13 Sep '00

13 Sep '00

> The political scumdroids will of course write liability exemptions > into the laws. (Don't think they can do that? It's done a lot, > especially when "it's for the children!!" gets invoked.) > Oh, I believe it. It fits right in with the "tort reform" platform. > As for what should be done with such scumdroids and the legal pieces > of shit who support their actions, I'm not afraid to say what should > be done with them: more freedom fighters like McVeigh need to park > trucks filled with ANFO in front of their dens. That, or biological > and nerve agents. Wiping out several hundred in one legislative > session would send a message. > I enjoy the rhetorical device of visiting death and destruction on the bad guys and clearly there is no shortage of politicians whose actual passing out of this life -by unspecified means- would make the world a safer, cleaner place but calling McVeigh a "freedom fighter" is off the mark. 0 points for that one. Anyway, I'd like to see some details about that Halt disease so that when my car catches it the vaccine development is already well underway. Mike

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CDR: Abortion Assasination Politics likely going to Supremes
by A. Melon 13 Sep '00

13 Sep '00

So when is APster coming out, which lets you trade lists of deserving people? Tuesday September 12 5:11 AM ET Abortion Web Site Verdict Appealed By WILLIAM McCALL, Associated Press Writer PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - Anti-abortion activists are asking a federal appeals court to overturn a $109 million verdict by a jury that decided a Web site and posters listing the names of abortion doctors and clinics were threats that went beyond free speech. The case is widely seen as a test of a Supreme Court ruling that defined a threat as explicit language likely to cause imminent lawless action - and a measure of how far anti-abortion activists can go in harrying doctors and clinics. Oral arguments in the appeal are scheduled Tuesday before a panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. At issue is a Web site called The Nuremberg Files that listed hundreds of abortion doctors accused of committing crimes against humanity and invited readers to send in doctors addresses, license plate numbers and even the names of their children. Last year, the dozen anti-abortion activists argued the posters and Web site were free speech protected under the First Amendment. Critics called it a hit list. The jury was told by U.S. District Judge Robert Jones to consider the history of violence in the anti-abortion movement, including three doctors killed after their names appeared on the lists. One was Dr. Barnett Slepian, who was gunned down by a sniper in October 1998 at his home near Buffalo, N.Y. Slepians name was crossed out on The Nuremberg Files Web site later that day. In 1995, Planned Parenthood and four doctors sued the anti-abortion activists under federal racketeering statutes and the 1994 Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act, which makes it illegal to incite violence against abortion doctors and their patients. Jones told the jury the Wanted-style posters and Web site were not free speech if a reasonable person could perceive them as threats. But a number of legal experts have criticized the February 1999 jury verdict and those instructions, saying a threat must be explicit. If youre looking for a case likely to go to the Supreme Court, this is one, said Lee Tornquist, a law professor who specializes in the First Amendment at Willamette University in Salem, Ore. Others consider the jury decision sound. Margie Kelly, spokeswoman for the Center for Reproductive Law and Policy in New York, said Jones correctly told the jury to weigh any threat in context. This is a case that is built on history, Kelly said. You have had years of arson, shootings, death threats. How can that context be considered anything but a threat? The Georgia computer programmer who ran the Nuremberg Files was not a defendant in the lawsuit. After the verdict, his Internet provider pulled the plug on the site. Among the anti-abortion activists appealing the ruling is Michael Bray of Bowie, Md., author of a book that justifies killing doctors to stop abortions. Bray served time in federal prison from 1985 to 1989 for his role in arson attacks and bombings of seven clinics.

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CDR: RE: Re: Why?
by Ernest Hua 13 Sep '00

13 Sep '00

> > I don't believe anyone was forced to house their child in that center. > > It doesn't require force > > X (official/officer/etc in position of power) decides that a childcare > facility would make an excellent 'human sheild' in place Y. X then makes > arrangements for decent child care facility, tells parents who work at Y > 'Look. Your children can be near you, you can visit them at lunch time, > you can drop them off and pick them up on your way in and out of the > office respectively, and if something happens [in the normal sense -- kid > falls off monkey bars and breaks arm sort of things] you'll be right > there' > > No force necessary. Parents think they have a good deal. X thinks he has a > good deal. Kids are up shit creek if anything actually goes down. > > And no, I'm not arguing this did, has or is happening. I'm not in a > position to have data on that. I'm arguing that, contrary to what you > said, it *is* a viable possibility. No it's not a viable possibility except for those who see conspiratorial agents around every corner. Try running a large organization some time and you will see just what kind of stupid shit you have to deal with. You may well turn into one of those evil union-busting executives. There are a lot of incentive issues to deal with as well as contractual issues if you are working with unioned employees. Are you suggesting that the unions may have been complicit in putting a daycare there? This is total horse shit, and it is definitely NOT viable. This sort of suggestion really makes this list look like it's inhabitted by a bunch of loonies. It's your right to suggest any shit you want, but it's way out in left field. Ern

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