December 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: This is why a free society is evil. [Re: This is why HTML email is evil.]
by Tim May 29 Dec '00

29 Dec '00

At 11:54 AM -0800 12/15/00, Ray Dillinger wrote: >On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Tim May wrote: > >>The reason the company now prohibits all sorts of activities, and the >>reason the Personnel Commissar is inspecting offices, is because of >>_externalities_ like lawsuits, harassment charges, etc. In a free >>society, these externalities would vanish. > >>Nope, the fear is of lawsuits. > >Do you posit that people should not be free to file lawsuits? Yes, in these cases, they should _NOT_ be able to file lawsuits. -- If an employee doesn't like the calendar that another employee has on his desk, she can talk to others in the company. Maybe they'll have it removed. But she CANNOT use the courts to intervene in a matter of how the company's owners deal with their property. -- and so on, for other examples I could construct. Lawsuits should only be "allowed" when some matter of law is involved. > > >Why do you regard harassment charges as external? Basically >the goal of a business owner is to have people capable of both >producing and working together. If you have two workers who >are both productive but who can't work together (for example, >one guy who makes dirty jokes and sends porn movies around, and >one woman who takes mighty offense and brings charges against >anyone who acts like that) you have to decide which one to get >rid of. Sure, one of them may have to go. Such was it 20 years ago, such was it 100 years ago. But the court system and EEOC sorts of offices were not involved until in recent decades. Whether I as a business owner allow "girlie calendars" on the walls of my shop is no business of the State. > >As more and more women are in the workforce, the possible cost >in productivity from such obnoxious behavior rises; If the >company is allowing the guy to be offensive on company time >or using company email accounts, they wind up offending a large >part of their workforce. They stand to lose a lot of other >productive employees by keeping one productive jerk on board. Such "possible cost in productivity" issues are matters for the business owners to decide upon, not the courts, and not regulatory agencies. > >And this is a completely separate issue from the legal liability. >The legal liability, again, is not an externality: The company >has to allow its resources to be used in this way in order to >become liable. The company could, to be fair, refuse to allow >its resources to be used to file the suits -- but that could not >stop the suits from being filed on personal time, any more than >refusing to allow company resources to be used to spread porn >can stop a jerk from spreading porn on personal time. I give up. Reading your stuff here makes me realize why it is hopeless to argue with those infected with legalitus. You will make a fine lawyer. Meanwhile, I have decided life is too short to waste it by reading your legalisms, so I am must put you in my filter file. --Tim May -- Timothy C. May tcmay(a)got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: 1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns

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by needbulkisp＠yahoo.com 29 Dec '00

29 Dec '00

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cprm satire
by Tom Vogt 29 Dec '00

29 Dec '00

as funny as it's sad: http://www.segfault.org/story.phtml?mode=2&id=3a4beb84-00cca880 A group of technology companies have handed down a ruling saying that all consumers are guilty of piracy. The group, known as the "4C Imperial Consortium as Appointed by God" is developing CPRM (Consumer Protection Removal Methodology).

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maurers algorithm
by kiran Napit 29 Dec '00

29 Dec '00

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28 Dec '00

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RE: Re: About 5yr. log retention
by Trei, Peter 28 Dec '00

28 Dec '00

> Ken Brown[SMTP:k.brown@ccs.bbk.ac.uk] > Jim Choate wrote: > [...] > > And just about every business > > you go into has video gear, some pointed out the door. It's amazing if > you > > walk around looking for this stuff and keep a list. Anyone doing > anything > > that might attract uniformed attention should be going the major Ninja > > route... > > I wonder what they think of Muslim women who go completely veiled? (I > don't know if you have any in Austin but there are quite a few in > London). > > Ken > Many places have 'mask laws' which criminalize the wearing of masks in public. Some times there are exceptions for costume balls, etc, but generally these laws are very selectively enforced. I seem to remember there were some prosecutions in the US in relation to the WTO protests and in London following the May Day protests. Unless there is a specific loophole for Muslim women's veils, I suppose they are technically in violation, but as I said, these laws are hardly ever invoked. If say, there were a rash of terrorist attacks involving veiled persons occured, there'd be crackdown. Peter Trei

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28 Dec '00

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28 Dec '00

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by ودنان الودنان 28 Dec '00

28 Dec '00

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The future of Evil Software
by sunder 28 Dec '00

28 Dec '00

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/15708.html Microsoft tentacles squirm deeper into software hosting By: Thomas C Greene in Washington Posted: 28/12/2000 at 11:14 GMT ... Don't be fooled by the chirpy half-truths in the company press release, ... Utter rubbish. ... So Redmond owns the software you use and controls access to your data. It's for your benefit, after all; it's cheaper than owning it, and you do love a bargain, don't you? It's more secure too, we are told, because you communicate directly via a pre-encrypted client-to-client link in which you have no opportunity to stuff things up. Hell, you don't even know or have access to the key -- and what could be more secure than that? ... ... it's unfortunate that your data has to be stored on the M$ trusted network along with the software you use, but this could not be helped. Your PC no longer needs, or even has, a hard drive. It has, instead, a non-volatile ROM chip which identifies all the software you're eligible to be billed for using, the amount of time you've spent playing with it, and your credit details. It's brilliant, but God help you if there's a stuff-up. ... -- ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_(a)_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------

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