December 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

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RE: About 5yr. log retention
by Carskadden, Rush 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

Thanks for the cite, I was just about to stir it up. Anyone still want to see an example order? ok, Rush -----Original Message----- From: John Young [mailto:jya@pipeline.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 8:09 AM To: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net Subject: Re: About 5yr. log retention Here's the source for the data preservation requirement: http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/COEFAQs.htm Preservation is not a new idea; it has been the law in the United States for nearly five years. 18 U.S.C. 2703(f) requires an electronic communications service provider to "take all necessary steps to preserve records and other evidence in its possession pending the issuance of a court order or other process" upon "the request of a governmental entity." This applies in practice only to reasonably small amounts of specified data identified as relevant to a particular case where the service provider already has control over that data. Similarly, as with traditional subpoena powers, issuance of an order to an individual or corporation to produce specified data during the course of an investigation carries with it an obligation not to delete or destroy information falling within the scope of that order when that information is in the person's possession or control. ----- >From the US Code via GPO Access: http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/aaces002.html 18 USC 2703(f) (f) Requirement To Preserve Evidence.-- (1) In general.--A provider of wire or electronic communication services or a remote computing service, upon the request of a governmental entity, shall take all necessary steps to preserve records and other evidence in its possession pending the issuance of a court order or other process. (2) Period of retention.--Records referred to in paragraph (1) shall be retained for a period of 90 days, which shall be extended for an additional 90-day period upon a renewed request by the governmental entity. -----

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Re: IBM Uses Keystroke-monitoring in NJ Mob Case (was Re: BNA's Internet Law News (ILN) - 12/5/00)
by R. A. Hettinga 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

At 2:58 PM -0500 on 12/5/00, Somebody wrote: > So what does this have to do with IBM? Oops. Somehow I conflated IBM with FBI? It was merely a typo. Really it was. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain... Of course, (if) it turns out that IBM actually *built* a keyboard sniffer, but, that's no surprise, I expect anyone with a code.clue and a paranoid bone in their body knows how... Cheers, RAH -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Keystroke-monitoring in NJ Mob Case
by David Lesher 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

re: the keystroke sniffer: http://inq.philly.com/content/inquirer/2000/12/04/front_page/JMOB04.htm The FBI application is at: http://www.epic.org/crypto/breakin/application.pdf The court order is at: http://www.epic.org/crypto/breakin/order.pdf -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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Re: IBM Uses Keystroke-monitoring in NJ Mob Case (was Re:
by Somebody 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

BNA'sInternet Law News (ILN) - 12/5/00) An instructive case. Apparently they used the keystroke monitoring to obtain the pgp passphrase, which was then used to decrypt the files. The legal fight over whether the monitor was legal and whether the information so obtained are in fact records of criminal activity is a side-show. It remains practical evidence of how insecure computer equipment / OS's and pass-phrase based identity authentication combine to reduce the effective security of a system. "R. A. Hettinga" wrote: > At 8:30 AM -0500 on 12/5/00, BNA Highlights wrote: > > > KEYSTROKE MONITORING AND THE SOPRANOS > > A federal gambling case against the son of a New Jersey mob > > boss may provide the courts with the opportunity to weigh in > > on the privacy issues surrounding keystroke monitoring. The > > FBI's surveillance included the use of such technology to > > reproduce every stroke entered on a computer. The defense > > plans to challenge the FBI's surveillance methods at > > pre-trial defense motion. > > http://inq.philly.com/content/inquirer/2000/12/04/front_page/JMOB04.htm > > -- > ----------------- > R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> > The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> > 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA > "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, > [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to > experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: IBM Uses Keystroke-monitoring in NJ Mob Case (was Re:
by Somebody 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

BNA'sInternet Law News (ILN) - 12/5/00) An instructive case. Apparently they used the keystroke monitoring to obtain the pgp passphrase, which was then used to decrypt the files. The legal fight over whether the monitor was legal and whether the information so obtained are in fact records of criminal activity is a side-show. It remains practical evidence of how insecure computer equipment / OS's and pass-phrase based identity authentication combine to reduce the effective security of a system. "R. A. Hettinga" wrote: > At 8:30 AM -0500 on 12/5/00, BNA Highlights wrote: > > > KEYSTROKE MONITORING AND THE SOPRANOS > > A federal gambling case against the son of a New Jersey mob > > boss may provide the courts with the opportunity to weigh in > > on the privacy issues surrounding keystroke monitoring. The > > FBI's surveillance included the use of such technology to > > reproduce every stroke entered on a computer. The defense > > plans to challenge the FBI's surveillance methods at > > pre-trial defense motion. > > http://inq.philly.com/content/inquirer/2000/12/04/front_page/JMOB04.htm > > -- > ----------------- > R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> > The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> > 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA > "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, > [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to > experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Keystroke-monitoring in NJ Mob Case
by David Lesher 05 Dec '00

05 Dec '00

re: the keystroke sniffer: http://inq.philly.com/content/inquirer/2000/12/04/front_page/JMOB04.htm The FBI application is at: http://www.epic.org/crypto/breakin/application.pdf The court order is at: http://www.epic.org/crypto/breakin/order.pdf -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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