November 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

CDR: ATTENION!!!! BULK FRIENDLY WEB HOSTING!!!!
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05 Nov '00

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Great Flood Site Still in Question,But Ancient Ship Found
by Jan 05 Nov '00

05 Nov '00

Great Flood Site Still in Question, But Ancient Ship Found Friday, November 3, 2000 By Randolph E. Schmid WASHINGTON A team led by underwater explorer Robert Ballard has discovered an "absolutely astounding" wooden ship perhaps 1,500 years old in the Black Sea off the coast of Turkey. Artifacts recovered nearby that scientists hoped would date back to the time of the biblical flood turned out to be disappointingly modern. But the site itself may still show human habitation from that ancient date. "What we saw was absolutely astounding," said nautical archaeologist Cheryl Ward. The ship's mast is still standing and stanchions rest nearby, held together with wooden pegs. "No archaeologist has even been able to study anything like this," she said in a news conference at the National Geographic Society. "We have never been able to look at the deck of an ancient ship." The unique oxygen-free deep water of the Black Sea allowed the ship to be preserved without the normal worm damage that affects wooden vessels, and Ballard said they expect other such treasures to be found. The researchers plan to return to the area near Sinop, Turkey next year and work in the sea off the coast of Bulgaria. Dealing with such a well-preserved ship presents a problem, Ballard said. In the past, shipwrecks of that age had all the wood eaten away and only the contents remained. "We don't know what to do" to study it, he said. "I think we're still numb." He said a meeting is scheduled for next month to consider how best to deal with the ship. When the ship was first seen the team thought it was modern because it was so well preserved. But carbon dating of wood from the ship showed the vessel to be about 1,500 years old, dating from between A.D. 410 and 520. "This is a ship carved by hand 1,500 years ago, so beautifully preserved it looks as if it had just got off the dock," Ward said. The vessel measures about 45 feet in length and has a 35-foot-tall standing mast, she said. It was found in about 650 feet of water. "This ship came from a time of custom-built ships, when you went to a shipwright and told him what kind of ship you needed and how large." Ships in those times were built skin first, with the outside structure crafted before the inside was filled in. "It's the complete opposite of how we do it today," Ward said. Sediment covered much of the ship and no cargo was visible. Ballard's team last month reported discovering what appears to be a man-made building foundation beneath the sea not far from the shipwreck. It is located in an area that was inundated by a cataclysmic flood 7,600 years ago perhaps the great flood told of in the Bible and other ancient writings. But wooden artifacts recovered from that site turned out to be only about 200 years old, and must have floated to the spot, according to archaeologist Fredrik Hiebert of the University of Pennsylvania. Large objects, including wooden logs and stones that looked as if they had been worked into blocks, could not be raised with the expedition's equipment. "We now need to go back to the Black Sea and expand our efforts to prove or disprove that people once lived on land that's now underwater," Ballard said. He noted that the site is unique and would have been on a bluff, overlooking a stream before the sea rose. Hiebert said some charcoal had been found in the mud at the site and there are what seem to be worked stones there, indicating human habitation. Ballard, president of the Institute for Exploration in Mystic, Conn., said five to 10 years of work lies ahead for the project while exploring more and more of the Black Sea. Unlike other oceans, its deep water does not circulate and thus contains no oxygen, preserving whatever falls there. In addition to the preserved ship, three other wrecks were found in shallower water where there is some oxygen and they had been damaged by worms. They were trading vessels believed to date from the Roman or Byzantine period, probably built between the fourth and sixth centuries A.D. All three contained large quantities of terracotta jars that carried wine, oil or other liquids. The carrot-shaped design of the jars was used by artisans in ancient Sinop, Ward said. "Investigating the contents of these shipwrecks could significantly add to our understanding of the importance of the Black Sea as part of the Classical world," Hiebert said. http://foxnews.com/scitech/110300/blacksea.sml *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. [Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Great Flood Site Still in Question,But Ancient Ship Found
by Jan 05 Nov '00

05 Nov '00

Great Flood Site Still in Question, But Ancient Ship Found Friday, November 3, 2000 By Randolph E. Schmid WASHINGTON A team led by underwater explorer Robert Ballard has discovered an "absolutely astounding" wooden ship perhaps 1,500 years old in the Black Sea off the coast of Turkey. Artifacts recovered nearby that scientists hoped would date back to the time of the biblical flood turned out to be disappointingly modern. But the site itself may still show human habitation from that ancient date. "What we saw was absolutely astounding," said nautical archaeologist Cheryl Ward. The ship's mast is still standing and stanchions rest nearby, held together with wooden pegs. "No archaeologist has even been able to study anything like this," she said in a news conference at the National Geographic Society. "We have never been able to look at the deck of an ancient ship." The unique oxygen-free deep water of the Black Sea allowed the ship to be preserved without the normal worm damage that affects wooden vessels, and Ballard said they expect other such treasures to be found. The researchers plan to return to the area near Sinop, Turkey next year and work in the sea off the coast of Bulgaria. Dealing with such a well-preserved ship presents a problem, Ballard said. In the past, shipwrecks of that age had all the wood eaten away and only the contents remained. "We don't know what to do" to study it, he said. "I think we're still numb." He said a meeting is scheduled for next month to consider how best to deal with the ship. When the ship was first seen the team thought it was modern because it was so well preserved. But carbon dating of wood from the ship showed the vessel to be about 1,500 years old, dating from between A.D. 410 and 520. "This is a ship carved by hand 1,500 years ago, so beautifully preserved it looks as if it had just got off the dock," Ward said. The vessel measures about 45 feet in length and has a 35-foot-tall standing mast, she said. It was found in about 650 feet of water. "This ship came from a time of custom-built ships, when you went to a shipwright and told him what kind of ship you needed and how large." Ships in those times were built skin first, with the outside structure crafted before the inside was filled in. "It's the complete opposite of how we do it today," Ward said. Sediment covered much of the ship and no cargo was visible. Ballard's team last month reported discovering what appears to be a man-made building foundation beneath the sea not far from the shipwreck. It is located in an area that was inundated by a cataclysmic flood 7,600 years ago perhaps the great flood told of in the Bible and other ancient writings. But wooden artifacts recovered from that site turned out to be only about 200 years old, and must have floated to the spot, according to archaeologist Fredrik Hiebert of the University of Pennsylvania. Large objects, including wooden logs and stones that looked as if they had been worked into blocks, could not be raised with the expedition's equipment. "We now need to go back to the Black Sea and expand our efforts to prove or disprove that people once lived on land that's now underwater," Ballard said. He noted that the site is unique and would have been on a bluff, overlooking a stream before the sea rose. Hiebert said some charcoal had been found in the mud at the site and there are what seem to be worked stones there, indicating human habitation. Ballard, president of the Institute for Exploration in Mystic, Conn., said five to 10 years of work lies ahead for the project while exploring more and more of the Black Sea. Unlike other oceans, its deep water does not circulate and thus contains no oxygen, preserving whatever falls there. In addition to the preserved ship, three other wrecks were found in shallower water where there is some oxygen and they had been damaged by worms. They were trading vessels believed to date from the Roman or Byzantine period, probably built between the fourth and sixth centuries A.D. All three contained large quantities of terracotta jars that carried wine, oil or other liquids. The carrot-shaped design of the jars was used by artisans in ancient Sinop, Ward said. "Investigating the contents of these shipwrecks could significantly add to our understanding of the importance of the Black Sea as part of the Classical world," Hiebert said. http://foxnews.com/scitech/110300/blacksea.sml *COPYRIGHT NOTICE** In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, any copyrighted work in this message is distributed under fair use without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. [Ref. http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ] --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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CDR: Here's an interesting twist on gun control ...
by Peter Capelli/Raleigh/Contr/IBM 05 Nov '00

05 Nov '00

http://www.cnn.com/2000/US/11/05/mandatory.guns.ap/index.html Utah town requires all households to own gun November 5, 2000 Web posted at: 11:22 AM EST (1622 GMT) VIRGIN, Utah (AP) -- This tiny southern Utah town has enacted an ordinance requiring a gun and ammunition in every home for residents' self-defense. Most of Virgin's 350 residents already own firearms, so the initiative has lots of support, Mayor Jay Lee said. Residents had expressed fear that their Second Amendment right to bear arms was under fire, so the town council modeled a similar measure passed by a Georgia city about 12 years ago. The mentally ill, convicted felons, conscientious objectors and people who cannot afford to own a gun are exempt. Thanks! -p "Those who would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759

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by Beth Benard 05 Nov '00

05 Nov '00

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CDR: BULK EMAIL-FRIENDLY WEB HOSTING!!!!
by Nobody 05 Nov '00

05 Nov '00

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CDR: why should it be trusted?
by Jordan Dimov 05 Nov '00

05 Nov '00

I don't know much about crypto politics, but... isn't it utterly obvious that the mere fact that the NSA suggest a certain algorithm (say Rijndael) for a national standard and recomends its use internationally imply that they have a pretty darn good idea (if not actual technology) on how to break it efficiently? I just don't see why else they would advocate its use. After all isn't the fact that NSA could break DES since the 70's the reason for the 'success' of DES?

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CDR: Sounds like the mark of the beast!
by Tammy Hall 05 Nov '00

05 Nov '00

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by Douglas 05 Nov '00

05 Nov '00

Douglas Diesels Limited of Nova Scotia, Canada Has been working on a project with cooperation with several other companies. This project includes construction and turn on of commuication cables at sea. The amount of time spent on this is 11 months to the day. Once the whole operation is up and running the shares will be taken to the Toronto Stock Exchange, We are in the process of creating a company called "Canber Communications", here in Canada. This company exsists of 100 million shares. So far up to date we have buyers for 14.5 million shares at $10.00 a share. However, we are trying to sell off 49 million preferred shares in total. We are looking for investors and people to help us find investors. If we can agree upon a reasonable commision we would be willing to give each broker a percentage of shares to sell. Anyone interested in doing business with us and would like more information on this must sign a non disscloure agreement. If interested let us know and we will forward the non disclosure agreement. Sincerely, Bruce Hatfield diesel(a)istar.ca

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CDR: Great Flood Site Still in Question,But Ancient Ship Found
by R. A. Hettinga 05 Nov '00

05 Nov '00

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