November 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: online copy of Vinge's True Names
by anonymous＠openpgp.net 30 Nov '00

30 Nov '00

Ken Brown wrote: > Check the HTML source > The page contains the text of a story, but there are HTML errors that > prevent it being displayed on my browser) > Adding a </table> at the end fixes it. ... or just use lynx.

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CDR: Non-flat-ascii mail [was: Sunders point on copyright infringement & HTML]
by Trei, Peter 30 Nov '00

30 Nov '00

> Choate[SMTP:ravage@einstein.ssz.com] wrote: > > Sunder raises a good point about Netscape (and potentially other software > as well) amd forwarding URL's with attached content. > > Why is the page attached? Because Netscape attaches the page and doesn't > offer a way to send only the URL from right click -> send page. There > isn't a switch to set default behaviour (and there should be). > Jim: You are not a clueless newbie. Copy a URL out of the URL window of your browser, and paste that into the text of your message. Similarly, cut & paste text, and reformat it appropriately when neccesary. I spend considerable time doing this out of respect for my reader's time (most recently in the post which quoted from 'A Man for All Seasons'). It is, as I have said, common courtesy, and consideration for others. [...] > As to using HTML, this is 2000 (soon to be 2001). Get used to it. Hell, I > might start embedding ANSI VT100 color codes and the occassional ^g. > Animated ANSI would be pretty cool too. If I get the time I might even > install TurBoard and MGE under an emulation and start including NAPLPS > graphics while I'm at it. I don't have words to express the frustration I > have with straight ASCII text and doing technical work at times (but > that's another issue). > If you put in all the doodads you mention, the main effect will be that even fewer people will bother to read your messages. > The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate > "I don't have words to express the frustration I have with straight ASCII text" This sounds like the poor workman blaming his tools. All the great literary works of the last 2000 years were done in flat ascii, but apparently it's too limiting a medium for your subtle insights. I guess the next thing you'll do is dictate your messages, and expect us to listen to your deathless prose in streaming audio (or maybe video :-) What I really think is happening is this: You are a lazy jerk. You don't want to do anything harder than right-click the page in your browser, select 'Send Page', type in 'cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com' and click 'Send'. This is a good example of 'the tragedy of the commons'. What you do is locally optimzed - it's certainly faster for *you* to send the entire page from Netscape, but you inflict significant costs on the *entire readership* in doing so, since they have to launch browsers, load pages, set cookies, turn up in server logs, run java, run javascript, run ASP, install and run plugins etc. This not only takes extra time, but wastes resources, and compromises the readers security and privacy. Of course, if everyone behaved like you did, the list would grind to a halt. But so long as you're the only one being a jerk, you win. You're pissing where we all drink; even if this is acceptable to you, you are rapidly sending your reputation down the toilet. Why should people give any consideration to your views while you manifestly give no consideration to their time, security, and privacy? Peter Trei

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CDR: ip: Hobbyists intercept spy transmissions
by R. A. Hettinga 30 Nov '00

30 Nov '00

--- begin forwarded text

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CDR: identifying encryption
by Tom Vogt 30 Nov '00

30 Nov '00

Jim Choate wrote: > > the solution is easy, if you accept a few limitations. > > Yeah, like the elimination of choice and the implimentation of coercion > through a 'do it my way or hit the highway' attitude. > > Not acceptable. as I said back then: if it's *my* remailer (or whatever) then I can darn well set the rules. if you don't like them, use someone else's resources. now, on the other hand, looking at things from a practical instead of ideological POV, almost every encryption used for e-mail shares certain characteristics, such as having a "block" of characters with little or no whitespacing, which is *very* different from normal text. the difference is so obvious that it takes a human a single glance to distinguish between the two, even if the cleartext is written in a language he doesn't understand. requiring that the cleartext follows this convention may limit the available choices, but it's still a *far* cry from "elimination of choice". as a matter of fact, I'd challenge you to come up with an encryption system that does: a) fail to satisfy the "block of characters" criterium b) is actually used by anyone for e-mail communications c) was not specifically designed to make this point

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CDR: Lost password
by eGroups Notification 30 Nov '00

30 Nov '00

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CDR: ADV: Search Engine Registration
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30 Nov '00

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30 Nov '00

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30 Nov '00

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30 Nov '00

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