October 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

CDR: Re: why should it be trusted?
by Jordan Dimov 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

>Could a factoring breakthrough happen to convert this exptime problem >to polynomial time? Maybe. I said as much. Is it likely? See >discussions on progress toward proving factoring to be NP-hard (it >hasn't been proved to be such, though it is suspected to be so, i.e., >that there will never be "easy" methods of factoring arbitrary large >numbers). Geee... Since when are problems "proven" to be NP-hard?? Go back to your favorite undergrad institution and take a course on computational complexity again. >You don't appear to be familiar with the literature. I suggest you do >some reading. Yeah, right. And you are familiar.

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CDR: Misantropia
by Ira Lee 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

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CDR: RE: I created the "Al Gore created the Internet" story
by Lucky Green 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

David, I am afraid your interpretation of the history of mass-market access to the Internet, as appealing as it may be to those blaming or praising Microsoft for all the ills and good things of the digital universe, is quite incorrect. The Internet did not reach mass market penetration in the 1980's due to a number of reasons, amongst them being that the average consumer didn't have: o a GUI's o cheap (or for that matter any) access to the Internet. o IP to the home. o a graphical web browser. In the very early 90', not even shell accounts were available to the general public. It wasn't until Netcom in the West and Pipeline and PSINet in the East started offering flat-rate shell account access to the lucky few that happened to live in the San Francisco Bay Area or NY that the average person there could get any Internet access (other than email via AOL) at all. But the VT100 renditions of gopher and even the marvelous lynx didn't exactly draw big crowds. Suddenly, the killer app Mosaic came about that was sufficiently compelling to make the consumer want IP to the home. Since Mosaic, unlike lynx, wouldn't work without an IP connection. Meanwhile, SLIP/PPP accounts had just become available at any price. Unfortunately, the USD 60 install and the USD 2 per hour charges proved discouraging to all but a few. And again, unless you happened to live in one of a few lucky areas, you didn't even have this rather pricey option. The drive for Internet access came from Mac users. Few consumers had access to Unix operating system based machines and Windows 3.1 lacked the Internet applications. A host of which was readily available for the Mac and came included on floppy in a book by Adam Engst that the novice Mac Internet user probably wanted to read anyway. Most of them did. Which left a single major barrier: $2/hour. This last and probably most crucial barrier went away literally during the course of a weekend when a Berkeley company called Cyberspace Development announced a revolutionary product: The Internet Adapter (TIA). TIA was a user level program that allowed the user to pull a SLIP connection out of a regular shell account. The program spread like wildfire through the Netcom Macintosh user community. Within that single weekend, dozens of people were using TIA. Everybody said the same thing: "it works"! Many shell providers banned TIA. Fortunately, Netcom did not. As one of TIA's first users that very weekend, I wrote the "TIA mini-FAQ" on the spot, explaining step-by-step in two pages how anybody with a Macintosh can get hooked up with real IP within 30 minutes. At flat-rate shell prices. My mini-FAQ was in stunningly high demand. Faced with this sudden flat-rate competition, within a few months the first SLIP/PPP provider went to a flat-rate model. Then another. Then a third. Providers started sprouting up all over the place. People began using Mosaic, which was quickly replaced by several other browsers that started showing up for the Mac within a couple of months. Most of the improvements in those new Mac browsers were copied by a new startup that was formed soon thereafter. That company was Netscape. The remainder of Internet history I presume most of us are aware of. Enjoy, --Lucky --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> "Anytime you decrypt... its against the law". Jack Valenti, President, Motion Picture Association of America in a sworn deposition, 2000-06-06 > -----Original Message----- > From: cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net [mailto:cypherpunks@openpgp.net]On Behalf > Of David Honig > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 19:46 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: I created the "Al Gore created the Internet" story > > > At 03:29 PM 10/18/00 -0400, jim bell wrote: > >I ask this, what I believe would be an excellent idea for an article: Why > >didn't the Internet develop even faster than it actually did? 9600 bps > >modems existed in 1986, not all that far in performance behind > 28Kbps units. > >By 1986, numerous clones of the IBM PC and AT existed. > > Its quite simple. In 1995 MS released a version of Windoze which > included a TCP/IP stack by default. Previously you had to acquire > one and figure out how to install it. While fortunes were made > on this, the collection of routers known as the Net was unavailable > to Joe Sixpack until then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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CDR: Check this out
by Steve 18 Oct '00

18 Oct '00

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18 Oct '00

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CDR: Phil Agre taking the initiative in creating Al Gore...
by R. A. Hettinga 18 Oct '00

18 Oct '00

Yeah, I know. I'm bad. But at least Phil Agre fights back well, and smartly, deconstructionist-liberal state-humping, um, hairsplitting, Coase-bashing genius that he is... Cheers, RAH (Rock-throwing flame-trollling name-caller? Moi?) (Clearly Phill Hallam-Baker taught Gort to say "root-ers". If you don't believe it, ask him. :-)) --- begin forwarded text

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18 Oct '00

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CDR: RE: I created the "Al Gore created the Internet" story
by Trei, Peter 18 Oct '00

18 Oct '00

> ---------- > Declan McCullagh[SMTP:declan@well.com] wrote: > At 12:22 10/18/2000 -0700, jim bell wrote: > >I ask this, what I believe would be an excellent idea for an article: Why > >didn't the Internet develop even faster than it actually did? 9600 bps > >modems existed in 1986, not all that far in performance behind 28Kbps > units. > >By 1986, numerous clones of the IBM PC and AT existed. > > Internet deployment happened at a near-doubling every year starting around > > 1993, coincident with the deployment of the web. > > Most computers in 1986 weren't up to it. Many of us were using Apple II > computers with something like 278x192 resolution (in single hi res mode). > Imagine such a beast doing networking. Ick. > > -Declan > Been there, done that, got the credit. I was one of the original developers of Apple Kermit (in 6502 assembler) at Columbia University. Amongst other things, I added pseudo lowercase support (Apple ]['s had only capital letters). Apple Kermit included a VT52 emulator (on a 24x40 screen :-). If you look in Frank daCruz's "The Kermit Book" you'll find my name buried in the acknowledgments. The Arpanet at 300 baud taught patience..... Actually, by 86, the Mac was out, as was the PC/AT and (I think) the Amiga. These were much more capable machines than the Apple ][. Peter Trei

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CDR: Re: give me
by David Marshall 18 Oct '00

18 Oct '00

Ray Dillinger <bear(a)sonic.net> writes: > On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Roy Silvernail wrote: > > >From: Bernie B. Terrado <bbt(a)fiesta.com.ph> > > >>please give me an encrypted value > >>I need one. I'll use it as a key. > > >033653337357 > >Happy to help! > > Okay, he was asking for it. But I still think > that was excessively cruel. I think it was natural selection.

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CDR: RE: I created the "Al Gore created the Internet" story
by Declan McCullagh 18 Oct '00

18 Oct '00

At 17:44 10/18/2000 -0400, Trei, Peter wrote: >Been there, done that, got the credit. I was one of the original developers >of Apple Kermit (in 6502 assembler) at Columbia University. Amongst other Wow -- I'm impressed. I remember using that. >Actually, by 86, the Mac was out, as was the PC/AT and (I think) the >Amiga. These were much more capable machines than the Apple ][. True, and the IIgs was out in September '97. But it takes a while for folks to upgrade, which is why I said many of us were still using Apple IIs (I also had a Mac+ at the time). -Declan

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