October 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

CDR: WPI Cryptoseminar, Wed, Oct 25
by R. A. Hettinga 23 Oct '00

23 Oct '00

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CDR: Re: why should it be trusted?
by matthew gream 23 Oct '00

23 Oct '00

Nathan Saper wrote: >>and Sambo A. S. seem to miss, is that increased costs for a few mean >>*savings* for everyone else. > >The costs for the few would rise much more than the savings for the >many. Therefore, the number of people with genetic abnormalities who >could not afford insurance would rise, while the number of genetically >normal people who could afford insurance would not be altered >drastically. Isn't this one of the key points of the whole issue: where does the balance lie ? One the one hand, individuals should have the freedom to live as they please, so long as it does not affect (too much) the way other people choose to live. If you desire to live an unhealthy lifestyle, that is fine, so long as you live with the consequences - i.e. higher insurance premiums. I choose to live a healthy lifestyle, therefore I would expect to pay less in insurance premiums. On the other hand, I do not mind cross subsidising the rest of society to a certain extent, in order to stop everything falling apart, and to generally know that there is some safety for "my way of life", and to enjoy some common things for everyone. Certainly, I find it irritating that I should pay excessive costs to support a health care system that largely caters to supporting the many people that have chosen to drink or live their way to an unhealthy later life. Though, I am not sure I want to deny these people treatment because of the social carnage and damage to humanity it will cause, and perhaps twenty years ago, people were less enlightened about the possibility of making these choices. So perhaps the thing is - how do you list all the pros and cons and costs and everything else, then find an acceptable balance that is liberal "user pays", but has a safety net (i.e. you will not suffer, but you probably won't have a high quality life). Best regards, Matthew. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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CDR: 7 dias, 7 ofertas HP
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23 Oct '00

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CDR: Confirm your new account with eGroups
by eGroups 23 Oct '00

23 Oct '00

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23 Oct '00

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CDR: Privacy Debate at the Commonwealth Club in SF (fwd)
by Nomen Nescio 23 Oct '00

23 Oct '00

[Fwd] For anyone in the SF Bay Area who is even mildly interested in the privacy discussion, I highly recommend that you attend a public affairs-style discussion on Internet privacy to be held at The Commonwealth Club on Thursday, October 26, from 5:15 -- 7:15pm. The discussion will be moderated by John Markoff of The New York Times. Panelists include: Bob Lewin, President and CEO of TRUSTe; Marc Rotenberg, Exec. Dir. of EPIC; FTC Commissioner Mozelle Thompson; and Chris Kelly, Chief Privacy Officer for Excite@Home. Together, the panel represents the five points that are driving the privacy discussion: the media, self-regulation, government, industry, and advocacy. Let's see if they can agree on anything. Go to The Commonwealth Club site (www.commonwealthclub.org) for ticket information... See you there.

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22 Oct '00

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CDR: Re: why should it be trusted? (insurance)
by A. Melon 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

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CDR: H-WEB: G Radnitzky on Hayek & libertarianism
by R. A. Hettinga 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

This is a really good article which has a bunch of interesting things to say on it's way to saying that Hayek didn't go far enough, but it wasn't his fault. :-). For instance, how we ended up with nation-states (taxation is their only reason for existence) and legislation (the use of taxation for redistribution of assets by force in order to maintain social control), and why political solutions to political power end up squaring the circle, as it were. Of course, he talks about "law as the force which allocates property rights", and most cypherpunks would dispute that, knowing of better, cryptographic ways of allocating control of property. Cheers, RAH --- begin forwarded text

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CDR: EcoWorld
by info＠ecoworld.com 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

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CDR: Here is the queen for you, only for MIKE, not looking crazy.html (1/1)
by no＠aol.com 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

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CDR: why should it be trusted?
by matthew gream 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

Your email is very cynical, perhaps too cynical for reality - but we need cynics to keep reality in check. > I don't know much about crypto politics, but... isn't it utterly >obvious that the mere fact that the NSA suggest a certain algorithm (say >Rijndael) for a national standard and recomends its use internationally >imply that they have a pretty darn good idea (if not actual technology) >on how to break it efficiently? I just don't see why else they would >advocate its use. The NSA exists in part as a national authority on computer and communications security, and therefore should recommended an algorithm for use as a means to protect its citizens and countries national security. By recommending its use "internationally", I assume that the fine print is that they recommend it for use by US nationals in an international environment, not to international users (a subtle but useful distinction, the NSA is a domestic agency, I don't think it attempts to speak for the world yet). Ideally, the NSA should be able to break this algorithm when no one else in the world can, as this would give it an advantage in its signals intelligence activities - supposedly these are activites used "in the national interest", for the benefit of citizens and society as a whole - commerce, etc. Well, society is no utopia and there are many other interests (relationships with policy in washington, etc), but you know what I mean. >After all isn't the fact that NSA could break DES since the 70's the reason >for the 'success' of DES? Complicated answer. By 'approving' DES, then medium security grade products procured by the government would presumably have had to have DES and ANSI conformance before they would be bought by the government. This at least then made DES a commercial choice for government use and something that industry had experience with because there is virtually no other choice, and thence also for financial institutions, and thence eventually more and more into the public arena as the need for information security products became more prevalent. Also, there were few alternatives to DES, and in fact during the 1970s and 1980s, significant academic activity was put into fiestal network research, S-box research, cipher modes of operation, cryptoanalytic attacks (differential cryptanalysis, for instance). From this, new symmetric algorithms, sometimes based on similar design principles to DES, or new principles investigated as an alternative, were created. You must remember that a large proportion of DES use in commercial products is outside the scope of technological paranoics (that is not entirely fair, there are many objective technologists) and in the scope of money men and corporate standards conformance and spread sheets - these people are more than happy with a NSA/NIST approved solution. What you see in the AES candidates are the fruits of decades of research and activity partially thanks to DES, but also a result of the age we live in (in the same way that "people knew the internet was coming, but they didn't know that it would be the internet", you could say that symmetric, assymetric ciphers were going to happen, they just happened to be DES and RSA to start with, the ball has to start somewhere, and it turned out that DES was a pretty good choice thanks to the skill of Coppersmith and associates at IBM). Whether the NSA could break DES is up for debate, and may be known in the future perhaps - what is known now is that the advance of technology has made DES an uneconomically feasible solution for medium to high grade risk situations. As a result of the AES selection, you must also remember that now there are 5 highly valued symmetric algorithms created by world class cryptographers, and 1 exceptional algorithm. While the AES may be recommended, they are now alternatives and additional algorithms that could be used for those desiring increased security (i.e. as wrappers for the AES, or alternatives to the AES, or whatever). What you will see in the coming years is a focus on analysing the strengths and weaknesses of the AES - hopefully this will only further prove that it is a good candidate. Also, in the same way that 3DES and Ritter style DES networks were seen as advantageous modes of operation, perhaps additional AES modes of operation will add a further layer of security that may allay some concerns about whether the NSA can break the algorithm. That's my rough answer, no doubt a few people could iron out my bumps. Best regards, Matthew Gream Year 2000 Grand Tour Madrid, Spain (enraptured by Goya and his use of diagonal line) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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CDR: Test - no reply
by Jim Choate 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

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CDR: message
by Gary Bogart 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

:: Anon post to news.cableinet.co.uk.alt.test -------------------------------------------------------------- * help *

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H-WEB: G Radnitzky on Hayek & libertarianism
by List Host 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

>> Hayek On The Web << -- Hayek / "Libertarianism" Gerard Radnitzky, "Hayek on the role of the state: A radical libertarian critique", on the web at: http://www.cis.org.au/Policy/autumn00/Aut00-3.pdf Gerard Radnitzky, "Hayek on the role of the state: A radical libertarian critique". _Policy. 2000. (Autumn). "Hayek On The Web" is a regular feature of the Hayek-L list. Hayek-L Home Page: http://www.hayekcenter.org/hayek-l/hayek-l.html Scholars Bookstore: http://www.hayekcenter.org/bookstore/scholars_books.html Hayek Scholars Page: http://www.hayekcenter.org/friedrichhayek/hayek.html --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Externalities are the last refuge of the derigistes." -- Friedrich Hayek

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H-WEB: G Radnitzky on Hayek & libertarianism
by List Host 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

>> Hayek On The Web << -- Hayek / "Libertarianism" Gerard Radnitzky, "Hayek on the role of the state: A radical libertarian critique", on the web at: http://www.cis.org.au/Policy/autumn00/Aut00-3.pdf Gerard Radnitzky, "Hayek on the role of the state: A radical libertarian critique". _Policy. 2000. (Autumn). "Hayek On The Web" is a regular feature of the Hayek-L list. Hayek-L Home Page: http://www.hayekcenter.org/hayek-l/hayek-l.html Scholars Bookstore: http://www.hayekcenter.org/bookstore/scholars_books.html Hayek Scholars Page: http://www.hayekcenter.org/friedrichhayek/hayek.html --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Externalities are the last refuge of the derigistes." -- Friedrich Hayek

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CDR: ��
by escompx＠mail.ru 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

Óâàæàåìûå ãîñïîäà ! Êðóïíàÿ êîìïüþòåðíàÿ êîìïàíèÿ ðàñøèðÿåò êðóã ñâîèõ ïàðòíåðîâ. Ìû ïðåäëàãàåì ïîñòàâêè êîìïüþòåðîâ è êîìïëåêòóþùèõ, à òàê æå ðóñîôèêàöèþ è ñíàòèå SP-LOCK ñîòîâûõ òåëåôîíîâ. Ïî÷åìó âûãîäíî ðàáîòàòü ñ íàìè. 1. Íèçêèå öåíû. Ìû ãîòîâû äàòü Âàì öåíû íèæå ÷åì òå ïî êîòîðûì Âû ðàáîòàåòå ñ âàøèìè ïîñòàâùèêàìè. 2. Ìû áåç ïðîáëåì ìîæåì îðãàíèçîâàòü îòïðàâêó ãðóçîâ ê Âàì. 3. Ãèáêàÿ ñèñòåìà ðàáîòû ( Íàë, Áåçíàë, è äðóãèå óñëóãè) 4. Áûñòðàÿ çàìåííàÿ ãàðàíòèÿ. 5. Áîëüøîé àññîðòèìåíò òîâàðà. ( Áîëåå 3000 íàèìåíîâàíèé ) 6. Áîëüøîé ñêëàä. 7. Îïåðàòèâíîñòü âûïîëíåíèÿ çàêàçîâ. Ñâåæèé ïðàéñ-ëèñò âû ìîæåòå ïîëó÷èòü íàïðàâèâ çàïðîñ ïî ýë. ïî÷òå. Åñëè ó Âàñ åñòü æåëàíèå ñ íàìè ïîðàáîòàòü òî ïèøèòå escompx(a)mail.ru escomputer(a)mtu.ru escomp(a)chat.ru èëè çâîíèòå +7(095) 747-7231 , 268-4633 Íàø àäðåñ: Ìîñêâà, Ñòðîìûíêèé ïåð. 7/23. ï. 4 P.S. Ïðîçüáà äàííîå ïèñüìî ìàññîâîé ðàññûëêîé íå ñ÷èòàòü, òàê êàê ýòî êîíêðåòíîå êîììåð÷åñêîå ïðåäëîæåíèå.

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CDR: Re: Insurance (was: why should it be trusted?)
by Anonymous 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

> 1. It sounds like to me that there is no room for human compassion in > crypto-anarchy. > (Seems like we will all end up sitting in our "compounds" armed to the > teeth and if anybody comes along we either blow'em to bits or pay them > anonymous digital cash > to go away). Crypto-anarchy is in fact not really anarchy, since it only addresses some kinds of authority, ie government, and only in certain situations. True anarchy involves the dissolution of other hierarchical relationships, including those that spring from private property. Get rid of private property and many of these problems disappear. > How does crypto-anarchy/libertarian/anarchy propose to deal with the > "tragedy of the commons" where by doing what is best for each persons own > interests they end up screwing it up for everyone (Overgrazing land with to > many cattle is the example I've been given). The "prisoner's dilemma" is > another example. I believe that the standard argument is "Eliminate the commons." (by auctioning off to the highest bidder perhaps)

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CDR: sieving the gene pool -not just Iceland
by David Honig 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

Estonia plans to raise between 1e8 and 1.5e8 dollars for a project to begin next year, to "compile DNA profiles and health information on75%ofthe country's 1.4 million citizens" ... "by contrast, [to Iceland's anonymity] the data and DNA samples in the Estonian project will be identifiable through a coded system." The project will keep samples too; citizens can opt out and samples will be destroyed. _Science v 290 6 Oct 2000 p 31 "Estonia prepares for national DNA database" (And I realize this still doesn't make Estonia part of Scandanavia.. :-)

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CDR: Re: LDRider: Forwarded from the ST1100 list at the sender's request
by petro 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

>From: "The Truth" <tbr_truth(a)lycos.com> >Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 12:54:05 -0400 >Subject: ST1100: John Korb and Two Brothers Racing > > The late John Korb had learned how Two Brothers Racing has alledgedly >stolen the ST1100 accessory designs of Ron Major, and continues to this day >to represent and sell these items as their own, with no attribution to Ron >Major, nor pay any royalties whatsoever to his surviving daughter. > >John wanted Two Brothers Racing to explain the nature of the Ron Major >luggage rack they had sold him. The letter in the web site below is TBR's >response, signed by Craig Erion. > >John was a member of the Long Distance Rider's email list. If one of you >would please forward this post to LDRiders, I am sure John would appreciate >it. > >The letter speaks for itself, especially the last sentence. You may draw >your own conclusions about TBR. > > http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/tbr/ Ok, so Mr. Majors invents this *really* nifty thing, then dies. TBR starts marketing it. Korb learns about it, and then gets killed. I smell a conspiracy... -- A quote from Petro's Archives: ********************************************** "We forbid any course that says we restrict free speech." --Dr. Kathleen Dixon, Director of Women s Studies, Bowling Green State University

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CDR: Re: why should it be trusted?
by Allen Ethridge 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

<fontfamily><param>Helvetica</param> On Tuesday, October 17, 2000, at 08:19 PM, Tim May wrote: <italic>At 5:50 PM -0700 10/17/00, Nathan Saper wrote:</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic> >On Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:07:00PM -0400, David Honig wrote:</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic> >> Not yet. But I believe the UK takes samples of everyone</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>>> arrested (not necessarily guilty) of minor crimes, and some</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>>> US states and cities do or periodically propose doing this</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>>> or more.</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic> >The next question is: What do they do with this info? Insurance</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>>companies and the like use it to justify discrimination against people</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>>likely to develop certain medical conditions.</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>Are you claiming that DNA collected by the police is then given to </italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>insurance companies?</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>An audacious claim. Do you evidence to support this extraordinary claim?</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>I will be very interested to hear which communities, which states, </italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>are doing this. So will many journalists, I hope.</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>On the other hand, having heard that even getting a simple blood or </italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>saliva sample requires court action, I expect you are once again </italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>merely hand-waving.</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> In the UK? I heard that in one community in the UK, in order to catch a rapist or somesuch, the police went around collecting DNA samples and arresting anyone who refused. After all, only someone with something to hide would refuse. Of course, this was television. <italic></italic></color><italic>As for insurance companies "discriminating," this is what I hope for. </italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>Those of us who don't engage in certain practices--smoking, sky </italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>diving, anal sex, whatever--should not be subsidizing those who do. </italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>This is the beauty of "opt out" plans.</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> Yes, only the genetically pure deserve health care. And you are sure that the insurance companies won't opt you out when they get a good look at your DNA? <italic></italic></color><italic>But the first order of business is for you to support your claim that </italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>DNA is collected by the police and then shared with insurance </italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> <italic></italic></color><italic>companies.</italic><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param> Actually, that's your claim. But I'm surprised that you'er so ignorant of cooperation between government and corporations. Maybe you don't actually work for a living. You are aware of drug testing in the work place, aren't you?

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CDR: defaulting on US Dept Ed. school loans
by Tito Singh 22 Oct '00

22 Oct '00

Any suggested parameters or "recipes" for ducking under the govt's radar regarding school loan collection....minimal property holdings, shift belongings to spouses name, cousins name, liquidize and hide....etc... singh_to_me _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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by petro 21 Oct '00

21 Oct '00

Mr. May: >At 12:14 AM -0700 10/20/00, petro wrote: >>>At 1:39 PM -0400 10/18/00, Tim May wrote: >>> >>> >>>There's also a very scarce compilation of "The Peace War" and >>>"Marooned in Realtime" which is called "Across Realtime." It >>>contains "The Ungoverned" in between the two novels. Good luck in >>>finding it, though. >> >> I believe the Sunnyvale Public Library has a copy. IIRC >>that's where I checked it out--but returned it when I noticed that >>it seemed to be just Peace War and Marooned together in one book. > >Which is what I said, with the novella "The Ungoverned" in between. I realize that: My point was that I *didn't* realize it when I held the book in my hand. -- A quote from Petro's Archives: ********************************************** "We forbid any course that says we restrict free speech." --Dr. Kathleen Dixon, Director of Women s Studies, Bowling Green State University

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CDR: P/E 4.9, No Debt, 30% Growth Rate, adds up to huge upside with low risk
by mkooner＠nightmail.com 21 Oct '00

21 Oct '00

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CDR: state lawsuits, geronimo and victorio
by billp＠nmol.com 21 Oct '00

21 Oct '00

cypherpunks I visited my former phd student sobolewski for advice this afternoon. http://www.mhpcc.edu/general/john.html On leaving his home - with three of his issues of the Minerological Record - Sobolewki said Did you know that Lewis [another of my phd students http://www.friction-free-economy.com/] is no longer with Daimler-Benz? He is now a vp with Kodak. But that won't help Kodak. Then I asked Sobolewski, "How do I get into these messes?" Sobolewki responded, "Don't ask that. Ask how do you get out of them!" We are, of course, living on the wild side. http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/8327/load1.html Please read about geronimo and victorio. And pass the link along. Morales and I did it. We filed on Friday afernoon. I attach and will post. None of us could have done this alone. Keep up-wind bill http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/8327/buehlerpayne.html http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/8327/ http://members.tripod.com/bill_3_2/ http://www.nmol.com/users/billp/ SECOND JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT COUNTY OF BERNALILLO STATE OF NEW MEXICO CASE NUMBER Arthur R Morales William H Payne Plaintiffs v Robert J Gorence John J Kelly Manuel Lucero Jan Elizabeth Mitchell Don F Svet Defendants Complaint for Writ of REPLEVIN and Relief from HARASSMENT 1 Citizens Morales and Payne file pro se Freedom of Information Act lawsuit 97cv0266 against the National Security Agency in New Mexico District federal court on February 27, 1997. Magistrate judge Don J. Svet was assigned case. US attorney John J Kelly assigns assistant US attorney Jan Elizabeth Mitchell to defend National Security Agency. 2 FBI agents Moore and Kohl hand-deliver May 29, 1997 at 08:29 harassment letter authored by First Assistant US Attorney Robert J Gorence on May 19, 1997. Exhibit A. 3 01/28/98 Svet issues ORDER by Magistrate Don J. Svet granting defendant's motion to strike any and all of plaintiffs' first set of requests for admissions to various employees of the National Security Agency & to various employees of Sandia National Laboratory (see order for further specifics re sanctions & communication) [28-1] (cc: all counsel, electronically) (dmw) (7k) 4 02/09/98 Mitchell submits AFFIDAVIT of attorney fees by Jan Elizabeth Mitchell in accordance with court order [37-1] (dmw) BILL OF COSTS is submitted to US District Court on Jun 12, 1998. Exhibit B. On June 30, 1998 Mitchell places liens on both Payne's and Morales personal properties. Exhibit L. 5 Morales and Payne file WRIT OF PROHIBITION with judge Anotin Scalia on March 18, 1998 to halt attempted sanctions. Scalia does not reply. 6 On April 30, 1998 court order (docket #42) removes Morales as plaintiff in this case. 7 US Attorney John J Kelly orders initiates garnishment against Morales on February 2, 1999. Exhibit C1. 8 US Attorney John J Kelly and US Assistant Attorney Manuel Lucero file CERTIFICATION OF DOCUMENTS ON JUDGMENT DEBTOR with US District Court on February 2, 1999. Exhibit C2. Morales notified of right to hearing in CLERK'S NOTICE OF POST-JUDGMENT GARNISHMENT AND INSTRUCTIONS TO DEBTOR. Exhibit D was included in the same letter as Exhibit C. Paragraph in D2 is quite clear If you want a hearing you must notify the court within 20 days after receipt of the notice. Your request must be in writing. If you wish., you may use this notice to request the hearing by checking the box below. You must either mail it or deliver it in person to the Clerk of the United States District Court at 333 Lomas NW. Suite 270, P.O. Box 689, Albuquerque, New Mexico 87103. You must also send a copy of your request to the United States Attorney at: United States Attorney, District of New Mexico, ATTENTION: MANUEL LUCERO, Assistant U. S. Attorney, P. 0. Box 607, Albuquerque, New Mexico 87103, so the Government will know you want a hearing. Letter in exhibit E Morales requested hearing. Letter in exhibit F shows that Morales protested when he did not get requested hearing. Government took money from Morales without due process. 9 Morales notifies US Attorney John J Kelly and US District Court Clerk Robert March of his request for hearing on February 12, 1999 delivered by Payne. Exhibit E. 10 WRIT OF GARNISHMENT is received at Sandia National Laboratories on February 17, 1999. Exhibit G and H. 11 Morales notifies US Attorney John J Kelly, US Assistant Attorney Manuel Lucero, US District Court Clerk Robert March, and Sandia employee Mary Resnick on February 22, 1999 DEMAND that garnishment proceeding be held in abeyance pending requested hearing. Exhibit F. 12 $625 is garnished from Morales wages without due process in Sandia pay period 02/12/1999 to 03/25/1999 and 02/26/199 through 03/11/1999. Exhibit I. 13 Payne pays Morales $312.50 for his share of expenses in NSA lawsuit. 14 US Attorney John J Kelly and US Assistant Attorney Manuel Lucero file ORDER OF GARNISHMENT for $1,793.56 signed by magistrate judge Don F Svet on April 20, 1999. Exhibit J. There is no cause of action before the court for such order of garnishment. 15 Morales and Payne file WRIT OF PROHIBITION with judge Anotin Scalia on April 27, 1999 to halt attempted unwarranted garnishment. Scalia, again, does not respond. But no money has yet been garnished from Morales' wages by Sandia. 16 On July 21, 1999 Rio Grande Title refunds Morales' $625 [Exhibit M] which was taken from escrow account from property lien being held since November 25, 199. Exhibit L. 17 Chief magistrate judge William Deaton is informed of the these and other illegal acts on February 26, 2000. Morales and Payne offer administrative settlement of these and other misconduct. Deaton is asked to respond by March 4, 2000. Deaton does not respond. 18 Citizens John J Kelly, Manuel Lucero, Jan Elizabeth Mitchell, and Don F Svet have broken New Mexico state laws by garnishing $625 from Morales' wages without due process. Exhibits B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, K, L, M. ARTICLE 11 Magistrate Court; Replevin Sec. 35-11-1. Replevin; grounds. 35-11-2. Replevin; special provisions. 35-11-3. Judgment. 35-11-1. Replevin; grounds. Whenever any personal property is wrongfully taken or detained, the person having a right to immediate possession may bring a civil action of replevin for recovery of the property and for damages sustained from the wrongful taking or detention. However, in replevin actions, magistrate courts shall not issue any writs of replevin or any other orders providing for a seizure of property before judgment. 19 Citizens Robert J Gorence harassed William Payne by Sending FBI agents to Payne's home to deliver threatening letter in Exhibit A. Don F Svet, John J Kelly, and Manuel Lucero harassed Arthur Morales by attempting to garnish $1,793.56 from Morales wages when there was no legal cause of action for such writ. Exhibit J. ARTICLE 3A Harassment and Stalking 30-3A-2. Harassment; penalties. A. Harassment consists of knowingly pursuing a pattern of conduct that is intended to annoy, seriously alarm or terrorize another person and which serves no lawful purpose. The conduct must be such that it would cause a reasonable person to suffer substantial emotional distress. B. Whoever commits harassment is guilty of a misdemeanor. WHEREFORE 20 Morales and Payne ask for their $625 taken from them without due process. 21 Morales and Payne ask for the $1,793.56 since this can be taken from Morales wages or file an property lien at any time. 22 Payne asks for punitive damages $300,000 from Gorence for harassment for illegally sending FBI agents to family residence to deliver harassment letter. 23 Illegal garnishment of Morales' salary jeopardized Morales' security clearance and employment at Sandia National Laboratories. Morales and Payne ask for punitive damages from citizens John J Kelly $300,000, Don F Svet $300,000, Manuel Lucero $100,000, Jan Elizabeth Mitchell $100,000 , and so that citizens and federal employees are sent a message to obey the laws they are tasked to upheld rather than abuse. 24 No one in the United States of America must be permitted to be above the law. Forward complaint to New Mexico Attorney General with recommendation for prosecution of citizens Robert J Gorence, John J Kelly, Manuel Lucero, Jan Elizabeth Mitchell, and Don F Svet for violation of New Mexico state laws. 25 Grant other and further relief as the Court deems just and proper. I certify that I mailed a copy of this pleading to all defendants by certified - return receipt requested mail. _________________________________ __________________________________ Date Arthur R Morales 1024 Los Arboles NW Albuquerque, NM 87107 505 3451381 William H Payne 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 98111 505 292 7037 4 SECOND JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT COUNTY OF BERNALILLO STATE OF NEW MEXICO CASE NUMBER William H Payne Plaintiff v Sandia Corporation - Sandia National Laboratories American Telephone and Telegraph Corporation Lockheed Martin Corporation Krehbiel, Bannerman & Horn John A. Bannerman Charles Burtner Lorenzo F. Garcia Michael G. Robles Carol Lisa Smith Defendants Complaint for Relief from DEFAMATION and HARASSMENT 1 Citizen Richard Gallegos gives documents in Exhibit A to citizen Arthur Morales. Morales gives documents to Payne on Saturday March 22, 1997. Exhibit A 4 show that the documents clearly refer to plaintiff W. H. Payne since his signature is affixed to that document. Payne had not seen Exhibit A documents before March 22, 1997. The documents contain false information. Release of documents like those seen in Exhibit A without written consent is a criminal violation of the Privacy Act, 5 USC § 552a, Records Maintained On Individuals http://www.usdoj.gov/04foia/privstat.htm 5 USC 552a(b) , the Privacy Act, states, CONDITIONS OF DISCLOSURE - No agency shall disclose any record which is contain in a systems of records by any means of communications to any person, or to another agency, except pursuant to a written request by, or with the prior written consent of, the individual to who the record pertains, ... 5 USC 552a(i)1 applies. CRIMINAL PENALTIES. - Any officer or employee of an agency, who by virtue of his employment or official position, has possession of, or access to, agency records which contain individually identifiable information the disclosure of which is prohibited by this section or by rules or regulations established thereunder, and who knowing that disclosure of the specific material is so prohibited, willfully discloses of the specific material is so prohibited, willfully disclosed the material in any manner to any person or agency not entitled to receive it, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and fined not more than $5,000. Further, The Privacy Act provides a civil remedy whenever an agency denies access to a record or refuses to amend a record. An individual may sue an agency if the agency fails to maintain records with accuracy, relevance, timeliness, and completeness as is necessary to assure fairness in any agency determination and the agency makes a determination that is adverse to the individual. An individual may also sue an agency if the agency fails to comply with any other Privacy Act provision in a manner that has an adverse effect on the individual. An individual may file a lawsuit against an agency in the Federal District Court in which the individual lives, in which the records are situated, or in the District of Columbia. A lawsuit must be filed within 2 years from the date on which the basis for the lawsuit arose. http://www.epic.org/open_gov/citizens_guide_93.html EMPLOYMENT REFERENCES I. Generally In recent years the trend has become for employers not to give detailed or even meaningful employment references when asked to do so. Most employers today either give no employment reference information or merely confirm that the (former) employee worked for the employer during specified dates and at a certain rank or position. The rationale for the unwillingness to provide more complete or specific information is that employers must minimize their risk of exposure to workplace defamation liability. Generally, an employer is liable to an employee for defamation if the employer publishes a false statement about the employee that harms the employee's reputation and that is not privileged. Each element of a defamation action is examined briefly below. First, employers cannot make false statements about an employee. Employers can now be held liable for false statements only if they are responsible for the falsity. This means that the employer can be held liable for a false statements only if they were negligent in attempting to ensure the truthfulness of the statement. In other words, employers are not liable for a false statement if they were not negligent in their attempts to ensure that the statement was true before they published it. RISK-FREE HIRING: How to Interview, Check References and Use Pre- employment Testing without Triggering Liability PRESENTED TO: COUNCIL ON EDUCATION IN MANAGEMENT ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO JUNE 25, 1997 PRESENTED BY: DEBRA J. MOULTON, ESQ. KAREN KENNEDY & ASSOCIATES, P.C. 6400 UPTOWN BLVD., NE, SUITE 630-E ALBUQUERQUE, NEW MEXICO 87110 (505) 884-7887 _____ 7-1 Defamation Defined The test for defamation is not merely a statement that hurts one's reputation. Defamation is the publication of a defamatory statement of fact. When defamation occurs in written form it is called libel. When the defamation is an oral communication, it is called slander. In order to prove that one has been defamed, the New Mexico courts rely on proof of the following facts: 1. that there was a defamatory statement of fact concerning another (i.e. a statement, as opposed to an opinion, that tends to lower the employee in the esteem of the community or other respectable individuals); 2. the statement must be published; that is it must be spoken or otherwise communicated to at least one person, usually a "third party," other than the complaining party; 3. fault amounting at least to negligence (should have known it was false) on part of the publisher, or, if the employer is a public official, the statement must have been made with the knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard for the truth; and 4. that the statement was the proximate cause of actual injury to the employee. It is imperative that employers take action to stop all defamatory actions by their employees, even in the realm of horseplay, since there exists in New Mexico both criminal, and civil liability for such actions. LABOR AND EMPLOYMENT IN NEW MEXICO: A Complete Desktop Guide to Employment Law, ERIC SIROTKIN Butterworth, 1994. While it may seem obvious to readers of Exhibit A that both Sandia National Laboratories and the Equal Employment Opportunities Commission got caught in writing violating both the criminal and civil portion of the Privacy Act and should settle, the federal government decided to fight in federal court relying on cooperation of federal judges to protect it. However, in this case the federal judge violated New Mexico state law in by mounting a campaign of harassment instead of administering a fair jury trial his zeal to protect the US government from liability. Therefore, on advice of Mew Mexico Federal Magistrate Judge Karen B Molzen and others legal remedy reverts to state court for hearing defamation and harassment complaints. See section 20 this document. 2 Payne brought suit CIV 99-270 against defendants and others on March 12, 1999 in US District Court for the District of New Mexico for violation of the Privacy Act, 5 USC § 552a, Records Maintained On Individuals. Exhibit B page 9 docket entry 1. 3 Magistrate judge Lorenzo Garcia presides. 4 May 12, 1999 Payne moves in CIV 99-270 for summons service by US marshal for defendants Larry Trujillo, R A Polansacz, and C A Searles. Exhibit B page 8 docket entry 12. 5 Garcia denies service in CIV 99-270 May 24, 1999 claiming that Payne can only use US marshal service in a in forma pauperis case. Exhibit C, Exhibit B page 8 docket entry 18. Payne never claimed he filed in forma pauperis and can, in fact, use US marshal service if he pays about $25 per summons. Citizen Garcia harasses Payne. 6 On 8/4/99 in CIV 99-270 defendants Krehbiel, Bannerman & Horn, Smith and Bannerman file MOTION by defts R A Poloncasz, C A Searls, and E Dunckel |to dismiss this action against them without prejudice| (rd) Re:MEMORANDUM, OPINION, AND ORDER dismissing defts E Dunckel, C A Searls and ... [87] Exhibit B page 7 docket entry 58. 7 On 11/12/99 in CIV 99-270 Garcia grants MEMORANDUM, OPINION, AND ORDER: by Magistrate Judge Lorenzo F. Garcia granting defts' motion to dismiss this action against them without prejudice [59-1] dismissing defts E Dunckel, C A Searls and R A Poloncasz without prejudice (cc: all counsel*) (rd) (11k) Re: MOTION to dismiss this action against them without prejudice [59] Exhibit B page 3 docket entry 87. Garcia gives as reason that Dunckel, Searls and Poloncasz have not been properly served. Citizen Garcia harasses Payne. 8 Payne in CIV 99-270 files Docket entry 34 Exhibit D. Exhibit B page 7 docket entry 34. 6/8/99 34 AFFIDAVIT of William H. Payne to remove Magistrate Judge Lorenzo F. Garcia from this action (rd) [Entry date 06/09/99] 9 Garcia falsely identifies Payne's AFFIDAVIT to remove Garcia as a "motion" and denies it. Exhibit B page 7 docket entry 35. 6/9/99 35 ORDER by Magistrate Judge Lorenzo F. Garcia denying motion to disqualify (affidavit to remove Judge Garcia) [34-11 (cc: all counsel, electronically) (rd) [Entry date 06/10/991 Citizen Garcia harasses Payne. 10 Payne gives Garcia opportunity to correct AFFIDAVIT to remove Garcia. 6/16/99 37 MOTION by Payne to alter or amend order denying motion to disqualify (sl) Exhibit B page 7 docket entry 37. Garcia's refuses to obey law. 6/16/99 38 ORDER by Magistrate Judge Lorenzo F. Garcia denying pltf's motion to alter or amend order denying motion to disqualify [37-1] (cc: all counsel, electronically) (rd) Citizen Garcia continues to harass Payne in violation of New Mexico state law, 11 May 25, 1999 Payne left for an extended business trip. Payne informed the court. Exhibit B page 8 docket entry 20. 12 On 06/02/99 in CIV 99-270 Defendants Krehbiel, Bannerman & Horn, Smith and Bannerman file MOTION by Sandia defts |for sanctions due to violations of Rule 11(b)(2)| (rd) Re: RESPONSE [76] MEMORANDUM, OPINION, AND ORDER [52] MEMORANDUM [24] Exhibit B page 8 docket entry 23. 13 June 18, 1999 Payne files for Motion for time extension of 90 days to answer Exhibit B page 7 docket entry 39. 14 On 08/05/99 in CIV 99-270 Garcia files ORDER by Magistrate Judge Lorenzo F. Garcia assessing costs in favor of Sandia defts and against pltf in the amount of $912.50 to be paid within twenty (20) days [55-1] (cc: all counsel, electronically) (rd) (8k) Re: NOTICE [55] Garcia was removed from CIV 99-270 on 6/8/99 and, therefore, has no authority to order sanctions against Payne. Citizen Garcia harasses Payne in violation of New Mexico state law. 15 On August 12, 1999 Payne files for writ of prohibition by certified mail with judge Antonin Scalia. Payne wrote I sued under the Privacy Act as a result of false and defaming documents about my self distributed by Sandia Labs and EEOC. These are seen at http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/congress/8327/robles.htm Exhibit B shows that magistrate judge Garcia dismisses my air-tight Privacy Act Defamation lawsuit. Exhibit C shows that judge Garcia has the gall to attempt to assess me with fees. 2 I ask that you issue a writ of prohibition to judge Garcia to stay his August 5 ORDER ASSESSING COST IN FAVOR OF SANDIA DEFENDANTS AGAINST PLAINTIFF WILLIAM H. PAYNE because written evident seen at http: //www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/8327/robles.htm controverts Garcia' s claims. Scalia does not respond. Garcia, of course, was removed from case on June 8, 1999 and had no authority to rule. Citizen Garcia harasses Payne in violation of New Mexico state law. 16 Krehbiel, Bannerman & Horn, Smith and Bannerman file lien again Payne's and wife property on January 19, 2000. Exhibit D. Krehbiel, Bannerman & Horn, Smith and Bannerman, knowing that Garcia was removed by affidavit harass Payne by filing illegal lien. Rule 11(b)(2) states Rule 11. Signing of Pleading, Motions, and other Papers; Representations to Court; Sanctions (b) Representations to Court. By presenting to the court (whether by signing, filing, submitting, or later advocating) a pleading, written motion, or other paper, an attorney or unrepresented party is certifying that to the best of the person's knowledge, information, and belief, formed after an inquiry reasonable under the circumstances,-- (2) the claims, defenses, and other legal contentions therein are warranted by existing law or by a nonfrivolous argument for the extension, modification, or reversal of existing law or the establishment of new law; Evidence in documents in Exhibit A clearly violate the both the criminal and civil provision of the Privacy Act. CIV 99-270 is not frivolous. Citizens Garcia, Smith and Bannerman law firm Krehbiel, Bannerman & Horn harass Payne in violation of New Mexico state law. 17 Payne files DEMAND FOR JURY TRIAL in CIV 99-270 on March 24, 1999. Exhibit B page 9 docket entry 3. On 03/17/99 paid the filing fee for this jury trial guaranteed him by the Constitution and the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. Garcia, however, judged case without a jury trial. Citizen Garcia denied Payne's right for jury trial and thereby harasses Payne in violation of New Mexico state law. 18 New Mexico state law, ARTICLE 3A, defines Harassment and Stalking 30-3A-2. Harassment; penalties. A. Harassment consists of knowingly pursuing a pattern of conduct that is intended to annoy, seriously alarm or terrorize another person and which serves no lawful purpose. The conduct must be such that it would cause a reasonable person to suffer substantial emotional distress. B. Whoever commits harassment is guilty of a misdemeanor. 19 Chief magistrate judge William Deaton is informed of Garcia's, Smith's and Bannerman's harassment acts by certified letter on February 26, 2000. Administrative settlement of these and other misconduct was proposed. Deaton is asked to respond by March 4, 2000. Deaton does not respond. 20 Magistrate judge Karen B Molzen schedules telephone status conference for Monday August 30, 1999 at 2:00pm. Exhibit E and B5 docket entry 61. Payne is in Pullman, WA. Conference takes place between 13:40 and 13:17 pacific daylight time. Defendant lawyer Smith is part of conference call. Molzen conducts informal discussion with Smith. Molzen points out to Smith that Molzen believes that Payne has a state defamation case. Molzen, Payne believes, says conversation is recorded. While the Privacy Act violation portion of this matter is currently being reviewed by the Tenth Circuit, the defamation portion is now being tried, as Molzen and others recommend, in state court. WHEREFORE 21 Order Krehbiel, Bannerman & Horn, Bannerman and Smith to pay Payne $912.50 to satisfy lien. 22 Payne asks for punitive damages of $300,000 from Garcia for disallowing service by US marshal, failure to remove himself from CIV 99-270 after affidavit was file, ordering Payne to pay $912.50 after Garcia was removed from case, and denying trial by jury which Payne paid for and was guaranteed by the Constitution and Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. Garcia is engaged in pattern and practice of harassment to deny rights due Payne under the Constitution and Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. Payne asks for punitive damages of $300,000 from Krehbiel, Bannerman & Horn for allowing lawyers Smith and Bannerman to harass him. Smith and Bannerman have engaged in pattern and practice of harassing Payne. 23 Punitive damages of $1,000,000 each from Sandia Corporation - Sandia National Laboratories, American Telephone and Telegraph Corporation Lockheed Martin Corporation for the preparation and distribution of libelous and defaming false documents distributed without Payne's knowledge seen in Exhibit A. 24 Punitive damages of $50,000 each from Charles Burtner and Michael G. Robles distributing the false, libelous, and defaming documents seen in Exhibit A. 25 No one in the United States of America must be permitted to be above the law. Forward complaint to New Mexico Attorney General with recommendation for prosecution of citizens Lorenzo Garcia, John Bannerman, and Carol Smith, for violation of the New Mexico state laws on harassment. 26 Grant other and further relief as the Court deems just and proper. I certify that I mailed a copy of this pleading to all defendants by certified - return receipt requested mail. _________________________________ _________________________________ Date William H Payne 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 98111 505 292 7037 1

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