October 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

CDR: thanx my friend
by sam ram 29 Oct '00

29 Oct '00

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CDR: [ga] An open letter to Louis Touton (was) www.ester.dyson
by !Dr. Joe Baptista 29 Oct '00

29 Oct '00

John Palmer is on the right track .. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:04:02 -0600 From: John Palmer <jp(a)ADNS.NET> To: ga(a)dnso.org Subject: [ga] An open letter to Louis Touton Mr. Touton, This is to inform you that AGN Domain Name Service, Inc is asserting legals rights to the top level domains .USA, .EARTH and .Z. We have operated a registry for these top-level domains since late 1995. If you check the famous "Postel List", you can see that we were one of the first applicants for new top level domains in late 1995. At that time, we established our registry and have been in operation since that time taking registrations in .EARTH and .USA. In March of 1997, we added the .Z top-level domain. ADNS disagrees with the direction that ICANN is taking the Domain Name System and we do not choose to participate in the ICANN process. Instead, we are supporting alternative root server networks and will continue to do so. Although none of our three top-level domains have been entered into the ICANN application process at this time, we would like to inform you that we are asserting legal ownership of these top level domains. Any attempt to add them to the ICANN controlled root zone under the control and ownership of any other party will be considered by ADNS to be an infringement of our legal rights and we will take appropriate action. For ICANN to assign these top-level domains to another party in the ICANN root would dilute our service mark and damage our company financially. In addition to this, it would also fragment the internet as there would be two different versions of the same top-level domain. In spite of Ms.Dyson's claim, alternative root networks take great care not to allow fragmentation by allowing competing versions of top level domains into their root zones if they are already in existence in another root zone. We would expect ICANN to take the same care and consideration to avoid fragmentation. There is room for all of us on the internet. Please respect our rights to operate our business and respect the rights of alternative root networks. If you have any questions, you can contact me by e-mail. You may consider this an "open letter" and can publish it if you wish. John P. Palmer President AGN Domain Name Service (ADNS), Inc. Chicago, IL --- You are currently subscribed to ncdnhc-discuss as: baptista(a)pccf.net To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-ncdnhc-discuss-2645B(a)lyris.isoc.org

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CDR: User Feedback Wanted - Electronic Telegraph/Global Network (23670091)
by Keith Jenkins 29 Oct '00

29 Oct '00

We are seeking the help of overseas users of The Electronic Telegraph to better understand how we may develop our Expat Portal, Global Network to suit their needs. As someone who has previously registered with the Electronic Telegraph, you are well placed to provide us with the feedback we require and I would really appreciate your participation. This is part of a major exercise to review our plans for the site and its relationship with the Weekly Telegraph newspaper. We would very much appreciate your co-operation in completing our survey since we need responses from users from all around the world. The survey may be completed on-line at: http://www.info-e.com/wtinfo Please either click on this link, or cut and paste the address into the address line of your browser. MPG International, an independent market research firm, is running the survey on our behalf, and it is by this means that we can ensure absolute confidentiality for the information you provide. As a reward, all respondents will be entered into a prize draw* for one of ten $100 vouchers at amazon.com which you may spend on any of the products available from them - books, CDs, games, etc.. May I thank you in advance for your help. Yours sincerely, Keith Jenkins, Editor, The Weekly Telegraph *Promoter is Telegraph Group Limited, 1 Canada Square, Canary Wharf, London E14 5DT If you do not wish to receive more email messages from the Telegraph Group then send a message with subject 'unsubscribe cypherpunks(a)toad.com' to unsubscribe(a)weeklytelegraphmail.co.uk

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CDR: Parties
by Carskadden, Rush 29 Oct '00

29 Oct '00

Scott and I have been discussing (from a theoretical standpoint) the possibility of a third party that focuses on privacy and personal freedom, and the difficulties in gaining creedence for this third party, as opposed to the difficulties associated with influencing existing major parties (either of them) to take a stronger stance on these issues. Assuming that you could reconcile your differences with either Democrats or Republicans in order to gain a strong Washington D.C. presence on a few key issues, would that approach be easier than creating a viable "third" party? What percentage of the voters do you think are holding on to a very few key issues from their party of choice, and would be willing to vote for another party that could give them equally strong representation on those issues? ok, Rush Carskadden -----Original Message----- From: Scott Schram [mailto:scott@schram.net] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 4:14 PM To: Carskadden, Rush Subject: RE: Bachus Hi Rush, I mentioned the "third party", inspired by my frustration with the two leading parties, and their apparent lack of understanding about technology, and privacy issues. Some thoughts about the current parties: Al Gore's populist rhetoric about drug companies which completely overlooks the fact that we're on the eve of incredible discoveries and it costs lots of money to research and bring new drugs to market. Despite what Gore has indicated, big pharma spends about 4 times as much on research as they do on advertising. George W. Bush's hints at dropping the Microsoft suit (and the tobacco suit for that matter.) The recent Republican (I think) proposals to link Social Security information to IRS information. Our government is (probably justifiably) paranoid about attacks from external and internal terrorists. It is easier for terrorists to cause problems than it is for the government to prevent them. Each time an incident happens, people call for more preventative measures, thus we have: Secret searches (and bugging) of homes, no-knock entries, the Carnivore IP monitoring system, etc. Did you see the recent HBO special about extremist groups and their use of the internet to encourage action by "lone wolf" sociopaths? Nobody wants to appear soft on this kind of crime. Libertarians have some cool ideas (at least they sound cool), but I can't imagine withdrawing all of our military force from the world and limit ourselves to defending our borders. Our enemies would have a field day. Further, while I'm pro-business, I'm all for them playing "in bounds" and only a strong referee can keep some of them from dumping PCBs at the local playground. The Reform Party is basically an old-time circus freak show, and I mean no disrespect to circus freaks. A number of issues are no longer "Right" or "Left". So, back to your question: The third party route would probably be very difficult. It's not clear whether it would actually dilute efforts to influence the major parties. I offer this hypothesis: The way the system works now, with third parties being excluded from debates, often excluded from matching funds, the electoral college that makes for artificial "landslide" elections for the major candidates... all of these things tend to squash the life out of any third party. I believe that people interested in the new issues are growing, and we might find allies in unexpected places. For example, my southern baptist friends were not very happy with the long census form. I have used the following techniques with some success: Letter writing to congress still works. I have written to other representatives in the state if they happened to be the only one on a committee, or even representatives for other states. www.smokefree.org <http://www.smokefree.org/> is an excellent example of publicizing issues and encouraging people to write letters. I don't think phone calls work quite as well, but I recall influencing an issue in this way. It was a niche issue, and I got some attention with a careful explanation. (The issue was: For a while, songwriters and authors were not able to deduct business expenses unless they were able to relate directly to the song or work that was produced with that expense.) One of my favorite things to do is write a short, punchy (often satirical) letter to the editor. Their paper starts out blank every day, and I have yet to get one rejected doing it this way. If it's a technology issue, you might be the only one writing in on that topic, and thus more likely to get in print. Give money, either to candidates or groups like EFF or whatever. There's some random thoughts for you Rush, and you can repost any of them if you see fit. Thanks for your questions! What do you think? What are the most important issues in your mind? Scott http://schram.net <http://schram.net/> At 09:41 AM 10/25/00, you wrote: Scott, Thank you for the link and the clarification of my info. I agree about your assertion that a "third" party may better see to our concerns, but do we think it would be easier to create a third party and give it enough creedance to fill our needs, or do you think it would be easier to influence existing party members to take a stronger stance? My assumption has been that existing party members are not very concrete about the technology issues. I don't think there is an old school party line in regards to technology in and of itself on either side. Do you think that we can sway them? Or are we forced to create a new party just to get an issue addressed as we wish it could be? Possibly a harder question still is whether we could live with either of the parties even if they did take a strong stance on technological issues... Maybe a question for the entire list, but I didn't want to stick your private reply up there without asking you. What do you think, though? ok, Rush Carskadden

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CDR: RE: Parties
by Carskadden, Rush 29 Oct '00

29 Oct '00

Eric, Glad to hear that all it takes to "get your vote" is a reckless executive pardon of criminals that is designed to utilize executive power to bypass the checks and balances system and negate the efforts of the legislative and judicial branches of government (known in some circles as "saying 'fuck the constitution'"). So to clarify (because I am completely baffled), you are saying it doesn't matter what the outcome of any legislative effort is at all? You seem to be saying that you are in favor of voting on your own "concious" (conscience?) regardless of outcome. So when they take every freedom you have, when your social security number is bought and sold amongst governments and big businesses, when every facet of your life is documented and displayed publicly, with any attempt at obfuscation deemed illegal, you will say that it is ok, because you voted with your conscience, and it didn't matter if your cause won. Of course it matters. At least to me it does. You may not agree, but I would like to see my privacy and personal freedoms protected by the government (in addition to my own strong efforts at defending them myself). That is not the case right now, and the Libertarian party has done fuck all to change it. So my question to you, posed for the third time, is whether you think it is easier to give a third party (you seem to think that it should be the Libertarian party, and I tend to agree with you) viability in Washington with our efforts (or rather MY efforts, as you are quite content to lose the fight), or whether it would be easier to convince an existing power to take up our cause. I am not currently trying to start a third party. I think I was very clear in my initial email about the third party talk being theoretical. I am in no position to be in the business of redefining political partisanship, and if I was, I would not have achieved that position by asking opinions of people who assert that crypto anarchy will make governments obsolete in the near future. In short, thank you again for your Andy Rooney moment, but you seem to have abandoned the question completely. ok, Rush Carskadden -----Original Message----- From: Eric Murray [mailto:ericm@lne.com] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 1:16 PM To: Carskadden, Rush Cc: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com Subject: Re: Parties On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 12:54:39PM -0500, Carskadden, Rush wrote: > Eric, > Yeah, there is the Libertarian party, and they get a lot of electoral > votes. In fact, I think that our next president will be Harry Browne. Our > work is done. Let's go get a drink. > Seriously, what we are discussing here is the feasibility of > establishing a credible power base for a third party. I don't think (and > maybe you disagree with me here) that the Libertarian party has achieved > this at all. I don't think that the current Libertarian party CAN establish > this kind of voter confidence. The current presidential candidate for the > Libertarian party, Harry Browne, has done little to gain voter enthusiasm > with such bold and impractical claims as the statement that his first action > in office would be granting executive pardon to drug offenders. Well, that gets my vote! Why should I vote for someone who doesn't stand for what I beleive in just because the media says that they're "not electable"? That's the kind of loser attitude that's gotten us a contest that'll assuredly elect either an idiot (Bush) or a fool (Gore). Unfortunately Americans are more interested in voting for a "winner" than they are in voting their concious. A "Libertarian Lite" party wouldn't get the principled voters away from the Libertarian party and wouldn't get any more mainstream voters than any other third party gets. But if you really want to do it, go ahead. The cipherpunks list isn't a very good place to discuss it though, as most posters seem to think that the Libertarian party isn't radical enough, and besides, crypto anarchy will soon make governments obsolete. -- Eric Murray Consulting Security Architect SecureDesign LLC http://www.securedesignllc.com PGP keyid:E03F65E5

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CDR: Mobile phone guns seized
by An Metet 29 Oct '00

29 Oct '00

FROM DAVID LISTER IN BRUSSELS HANDGUNS made to look like mobile phones and activated by tapping a button on the keypad are among a stockpile of deadly gadgets seized by police after being smuggled into The Netherlands from Yugoslavia. The special Arrow unit of the Dutch police disclosed yesterday that it had seized eight of the Rshooting phonesS in raids on five Amsterdam addresses during the past three weeks. It also found 29 guns disguised as key rings. Cees Rameau, a spokesman for the Amsterdam police, said that each of the mobile phones, clearly intended to be used at close range, contained four .22 calibre bullets. RFor each shot, you have to press one of the numbers on the keypad. If you didnUt know they were guns, you wouldnUt suspect anything,S he said. Although police confirmed that most of the weapons had come from Yugoslavia, they did not know for whom they were intended. Mr Rameau said that five men and one woman had been arrested, including two from Yugoslavia, one from Croatia and one from Turkey. At one address in west Amsterdam, police seized 28 key-ring guns, 26lb of explosives, a machinegun, a pistol, a revolver, 2,000 bullets and 20 hand grenades. Police also discovered 19lb of heroin, a stash of fake Dutch banknotes and blank identification papers.

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CDR: Phil Agre on "trusted" intermediaries (was Re: [RRE]notes and recommendations)
by R. A. Hettinga 29 Oct '00

29 Oct '00

At 6:15 AM -0800 on 10/29/00, Phil Agre wrote: > It is often held that Internet privacy problems will be eliminated by > a new class of online third parties called "trusted intermediaries". > The idea is that, instead of visiting Amazon.com directly, you would > visit Trustme.com, and then you would go "through" that site to get to > Amazon. Now, this scheme can work at a basic level if Amazon doesn't > have to know anything about it. That's what Zero Knowledge Systems > <http://www.zeroknowledge.com/> is doing. But that only works if the > relationship between the customer and the vendor is relatively simple. > A third party that requires Amazon's cooperation, for example because > of its distinctive interface for processing pseudonymous requests for > sensitive personal information, seems much less plausible to me. What > company is going to allow an intermediary to get between it and its > customers? Amazon? Bank of America? It doesn't seem likely. They'd > have to worry that the intermediary would add its own services or take > money to redirect the customer to competitors. Those firms could feel > compelled to cooperate with an intermediary if the intermediary became > well-established, but if most online marketplaces become monopolies > or near-monopolies then this isn't likely. Trusted intermediaries > are not an entirely useless idea. But like most companies pioneering > new technologies they will have to establish themselves niches in the > short term before they can even understand the nature of the problem > in the long term. -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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CDR: Cypherpunks, Free newsletters added to Worldwidelists.com!
by newsletters＠worldwidelists.com 29 Oct '00

29 Oct '00

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CDR: hey
by mike hale 29 Oct '00

29 Oct '00

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CDR: hey
by mike hale 29 Oct '00

29 Oct '00

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CDR: hey
by mike hale 29 Oct '00

29 Oct '00

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CDR: UK Crypto - old submission address to cease working
by Robert Guerra 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

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CDR: Hard Shelled ISP?
by Ray Dillinger 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

Would there be a market for someone to create an encrypted-services provider? Would people do this? Here is what I envision, at a cost of something like $10/month. Email accounts that bounce anything not encrypted - either silently or with a message that says "this account accepts only encrypted mail." at the option of the account holder. These accounts are restricted in some way that makes them unattractive to spammers - probably they are able to send no more than 3 or 4 unencrypted emails a day, maybe they are unable to send *any* unencrypted email. Web Hosting strictly via HTTPS. Standard accounts get four or eight kilobytes accessible by http (enough for a redirect), and 100 Megabytes or so of web space accessible by HTTPS. Anonymous accounts. You send a message with a long random key and a few dozen choices for your login name, and a password to use (send via a remailer or whatever) and the provider publishes a webpage with listings mapping keys to login names to tell you what login name you've gotten. The provider holds the name for a couple of weeks. If during that time the provider recieves payment for an account by that name with a that password (say, by cash or bullion via mail or courier, or any of various ecash systems) then the provider creates an account with login, that balance and that password. The provider also publishes a page of login names in use, so you can check to try to avoid collisions. To renew your account, your payment must be sent with your login name and the original payment key. If it can be done legally, the service provider would get a debit card for each account paid more than $200 in advance, and give the card number to the account holder. Then, whatever amount had been prepaid would be available for web purchases, etc. for web merchants with POS stuff. This is a sticking point, and could cause a lot of trouble if any missteps are made. In the worst case, 30% of this money would have to be paid to the IRS - to avoid charges of abetting tax evasion while maintaining client anonymity. (technically, this ought to make the money paid for the service tax deductible, but you could only claim it by revealing your True Name along with proof that you'd paid it -- so clients interested in real anonymity would have to bite the bullet and pay taxes on that money twice). Nice anonymizing web proxy with whatever filters you like, returning whatever CGI information you want it to return. Cookie functioning is selectable by host (so you can, eg, deal with your bank via the proxy if you want). Web proxy is available only via https -- ie, the link between the proxy and the user is *required* to be encrypted. Anonymous encrypted FTP. Two kinds -- one is FTP over SSL, the other is FTP where the file being downloaded is encrypted to start with. There are applications for both. Paying clients could put up a download directory; joe random could download stuff from it. No unencrypted FTP would be available. NNTP over SSL. Not that what's in usenet news is secret, but there's no point in having your reading habits monitored. The basic idea is, there's no point in having *any* unencrypted traffic on a server if you can help it. It ought to be the case that even if a 'carnivore' is installed, there is no unencrypted traffic for it to sniff. I think this is, just barely, feasible. What say you all? Bear

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CDR: Internet Home Work and Own Busines, Free and Low Cost Advertising Tools! for You - cypherpunks -OEKB
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28 Oct '00

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CDR: RE: Parties
by Carskadden, Rush 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

Eric, Yeah, there is the Libertarian party, and they get a lot of electoral votes. In fact, I think that our next president will be Harry Browne. Our work is done. Let's go get a drink. Seriously, what we are discussing here is the feasibility of establishing a credible power base for a third party. I don't think (and maybe you disagree with me here) that the Libertarian party has achieved this at all. I don't think that the current Libertarian party CAN establish this kind of voter confidence. The current presidential candidate for the Libertarian party, Harry Browne, has done little to gain voter enthusiasm with such bold and impractical claims as the statement that his first action in office would be granting executive pardon to drug offenders. I am familiar with the Libertarian party, to the extent that I was a member for the past several years, and have attended several state and national Libertarian party conventions, and spoken with Congress-people as a representative of Libertarian interests. The fact of the matter is, in a discussion of strong representation of issues within a viable Washington D.C. power movement, you can only be bringing up the Libertarian party as either an example of failure in the third party strategy or a recommendation for a third party to endorse. As for the possible assertion that the Libertarian party is an example of a failure to succeed at activism outside of the two-party arena, I think that any failure (perceived or real) may in fact be due to the outrageous demands of the LP (as an activist, I have been embarrassed by them many times), and the complete stubborn demand for overnight change without compromise. These facets of the party may be sexy to guys like you and I, but don't engender the public, or establish a foothold in Washington. As to the possible recommendation of the Libertarian party as a viable alternative to the two party system, I just don't see how that answers my question. Sure, the Libertarian party seems to be fairly interested in privacy and personal freedom. That still doesn't tell me whether you think it would be easier to get the Libertarian party enough power to actually protect our interests, or convince existing partisan powers to take up the cause. In short, thanks for the info, but you've answered nothing. ok, Rush Carskadden -----Original Message----- From: Eric Murray [mailto:ericm@lne.com] Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 12:11 PM To: Carskadden, Rush Cc: 'cypherpunks(a)algebra.com' Subject: Re: Parties On Fri, Oct 27, 2000 at 11:09:40AM -0500, Carskadden, Rush wrote: > Scott and I have been discussing (from a theoretical standpoint) the > possibility of a third party that focuses on privacy and personal freedom, There already is one. It's called the Libertarian party. www.lp.org. -- Eric Murray Consulting Security Architect SecureDesign LLC http://www.securedesignllc.com PGP keyid:E03F65E5

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CDR: Re: Ho to KICK OUT Junkbusters users
by Anonymous 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

Igor Chudov wrote: > yep, numerous times. the funny thing is that the "AI" program that is > georgewbush has no state at all, it just replies to the user's last > phrase according to the rules. But I tried to make sure that georgewbush > is well prepared politically. > My experience with splotchy and georgewbush illustrates ridiculousness > of most human conversations. ...snip... What kinds of logs do you keep of interactions with Splotchy/GWB? Are users made aware of any such logs? (Not that I particularly care about the privacy of users who want to have "sibersex" with "marred" people.) I also wonder how many times Eliza has been rewritten into Sheila the Sex Kitten, and to what degree of success.

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Administrivia: old submission address to cease working
by Stephen Early 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

Oxford University Computing Service have notified me that they intend to cease forwarding mail sent to the old UKcrypto submission address, ukcrypto(a)maillist.ox.ac.uk, as of 31st October. Please check that you are no longer using that address. Another request: if you mention UKcrypto on a website, please make sure you are sending people to the right place! I receive a couple of subscription requests per day bounced through the Oxford address, which I currently deal with manually. If you link to UKcrypto, please link to the URL http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/ukcrypto or for the archives: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/pipermail/ukcrypto/ Thanks, Steve Early -- "...as we transfer our whole being to the data bank, privacy will become a ghost or echo of its former self and what remains of community will disappear"...Marshal McLuhan -- Robert Guerra <rguerra(a)yahoo.com>, Fax: +1(303) 484-0302 WWW Page <http://pgp.greatvideo.com>, ICQ # 10266626 PGPKeys <http://pgp.greatvideo.com/keys/rguerra/>

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Administrivia: old submission address to cease working
by Stephen Early 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

Oxford University Computing Service have notified me that they intend to cease forwarding mail sent to the old UKcrypto submission address, ukcrypto(a)maillist.ox.ac.uk, as of 31st October. Please check that you are no longer using that address. Another request: if you mention UKcrypto on a website, please make sure you are sending people to the right place! I receive a couple of subscription requests per day bounced through the Oxford address, which I currently deal with manually. If you link to UKcrypto, please link to the URL http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/ukcrypto or for the archives: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/pipermail/ukcrypto/ Thanks, Steve Early -- "...as we transfer our whole being to the data bank, privacy will become a ghost or echo of its former self and what remains of community will disappear"...Marshal McLuhan -- Robert Guerra <rguerra(a)yahoo.com>, Fax: +1(303) 484-0302 WWW Page <http://pgp.greatvideo.com>, ICQ # 10266626 PGPKeys <http://pgp.greatvideo.com/keys/rguerra/>

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CDR: Re: Stealth Mass Mailer, 10 Million E-Addresses & More.. 17999
by Tim May 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

At 9:26 AM -0700 10/29/00, xs24(a)netease.com wrote: >Email advertising WORKS! >Email Advertise your product or website to millions for only $99. > >For $99.00 you will receive the Stealth Mass Mailer Software, >List Manager, Over 10 million email addresses, and as a free bonus, >a Bulletproof mail server to send your mail through. >NEVER, lose your ISP service again. "As used by Esther Dyson." --Tim May -- ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, "Cyphernomicon" | black markets, collapse of governments.

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CDR: Re: Oh Gawd, Tim May...
by George＠Orwellian.Org 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

# From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> # To: George(a)Orwellian.Org, cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net Yo, Ding Dong, no need to send it to me twice. # I think I have a very good idea who you are. I should hope so, since I'm not anonymous. Ask Declan or Gilmore if you get stuck. # The cool thing is that you won't even # hear the crack of the rifle shot... No! I insist you terrorize me by shooting my legs first! <POW> Oh, I'm hit! Tim May has finally come to kill me! <POW> Oh, my other leg! I'll be dead soon! Terror!!! <POW> [redacted by Tim May]

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CDR: Re: Re: Gort in granny-shades (was Re: Al Gore goes cypherpunk?)
by Roy Silvernail 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> >No accounting for taste, of course, but I _loved_ "The Matrix." So did I. >Overall, it's up there in my Top 5 of SF films, with "2001," >"Terminator 2," and "Blade Runner." Not necessarily in that order. Our tastes seem curiously close. What's number 5 on your list? >Ihre Meilenzahl variiert vielleicht. Die meisten Meile Zahlen verändern sich. (blame babelfish!) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

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CDR: envelope stuffing
by cameron garth 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

To whom it may concern We would like some more information on your subject, as it makes no sence to us as we thought that when you do envelope stuffing you supply all product and knowledge.

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CDR: Fw: CIA in Oregon, Intelink
by jim bell 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

> > Would anyone in the Oregon area know about > > a CIA organization acronymed ISTAC? > > > > Here's the NIC entry, which includes a CIA rep > > in Bend, OR. Note that the other CIA rep used > > only a last name initial. > > > > Designated Agency Rep, Requester, Sr. Registration > Official: > > Mueller, Deforest X. (DXM2) > > (541) 385-6836 > > MUELLER(a)BENDNET.COM > > Record last updated on 13-Apr-99. > > Mueller, Deforest X. (DXM2) > > cia > > 63350 majestic loop > > bend, OR 97701 > > (541) 385-6836 > > MUELLER(a)BENDNET.COM > > Here is a list of all driver's licenses in Oregon in 1996 that contain > "DEFOREST". Notice the last entry: > > "MC CAULEY, DALE DEFOREST","3314 SE > TAYLOR","","PORTLAND","OR",26,97214,15,12,24,"M",600,180,"A","0199503" > "MC FARLAND, DAVID DEFOREST","36003 E CROWN PT > HWY","","CORBETT","OR",26,97019,42,3,21,"M",510,230,"","0738491" > "MCFARLAND, DANIEL DEFOREST","36003 E CROWN POINT > HWY","","CORBETT","OR",26,97019,75,12,18,"M",511,150,"A","5323237" > "MILBURN, DONALD DEFOREST","653 SMITH ROCK > WAY","","TERREBONNE","OR",9,97760,59,6,19,"M",601,190,"","2256445" > "MUELLER, SCOTT DEFOREST","1823 GARNET PL WA","PO BOX > 486","CHELAN","WA",60,98816,50,7,10,"M",600,174,"","2005706" > > Here is a car for "Scott Deforest Mueller", registered in Oregon but with > the Chelan, Washington, address. > ---------- s.txt > "SAL903","1","CHEV","SV2","VA","1GBEG25H5G7185373","9535286527",86,1,97,9,16 > ,"MUELLER, SCOTT DEFOREST",50,7,10,2005706,"MUELLER, KIM > MARIE",59,11,8,3772314,"1823 GARNET PL WA","PO BOX > 486","CHELAN","WA",98816,60,"",1,95,12,18,0,0,"","","","","","","",0 Notice the DOB's: 7/10/1959 for Scott Mueller, 11/8/1959 for Kim Mueller > > And here is the data from 1997 license plates. > SAL903 1CHEV VA1GBEG25H5G7185373 9535286527861990916MUELLER, SCOTT > DEFOREST MUELLER, KIM MARIE 20830 DIONE WAY > BENDPO BOX 486 CHELAN WA9881660 > > I'll look up the information for "Kim Marie Mueller" later on today. > Jim Bell Sorry about the extra delay. Very interesting results for year 2000. Looks like the Muellers got a new Chevy, from SAL903 to the current VCV976 "VCV976","1","CHEV","SV2","VA","1GBEG25K3SF156657","9830708131",1995,1,2000, 8,11,"MUELLER, DEFOREST SCOTT",0,0,0,9638546,"",0,0,0,0,"20830 DIONE WAY","","BEND","OR",97701,9,"",2,1999,2,11,0,0,"","BANK OF THE CASCADES","","2542 N HIGHWAY 97 RDMD","PO BOX 1236","REDMOND","OR",97756,0 Here's an interesting addition. I ran a year 2000 license plate search for all Oregon plates registered to 20830 Dione Way, Bend OR, and this popped up as well. "WSN592","1","TOYT","RUN","UT","JT3HN86R3X0197687","9829222474",1999,1,2000, 10,13,"ASHE, JOHN R",1953,4,2,6699949,"ASHE, ANNA E",1960,1,14,6699973,"20830 DIONE WAY","","BEND","OR",97701,9,"",1,1999,2,10,0,0,"","","","","","","",0,0 Interestingly enough, GO.COM lists a John Ashe at 8 Todd Ln, Bend, OR, 97707, phone number 541-593-2784 More later Jim Bell

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CDR: Clinton signs executive order on workers & new economy
by Declan McCullagh 28 Oct '00

28 Oct '00

THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _______________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release October 27, 2000 STATEMENT BY THE PRESIDENT Today, I am pleased to sign an Executive Order creating a Commission on Workers, Communities, and Economic Change in the New Economy. I would like to thank Representative Ken Bentsen for his leadership in helping workers and communities adapt to the new economy and for working with my Administration to form this Commission. International trade, technology, globalization, and the changing nature of work present extraordinary new opportunities for Americans, but can also create real disruptions for American workers and communities. Vice President Gore and I have worked hard to empower workers and communities to take advantage of the many opportunities in this new economy, but there is still more we can do. This Commission will undertake a careful examination of the effectiveness of existing federal programs to help workers and communities adjust to economic change, and will identify the best practices of employers, communities, and public-private partnerships that have responded successfully to economic dislocations. The commission?s report, due next year, will help communities, employers, and workers respond to and benefit from these changes in our economy. 30-30-30

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