October 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

CDR: wild things
by billp＠nmol.com 07 Oct '00

07 Oct '00

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/8327/load1.html

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CDR: NETCENTER uid=Bob276Bob key=KJE3P6J9DTen CONFIRM!
by netcenter-reg＠netscape.com 07 Oct '00

07 Oct '00

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CDR: Re: stego for the censored
by Michael Motyka 07 Oct '00

07 Oct '00

> > I'm currently looking for a way to get encrypted data via stego to > people who live in countries where crypto is illegal, and who may be > watched. so just sending them a large graphic would likely arouse > suspicion. > > the 2 best solutions I've come up with so far are porn and spam. both > are readily believable, even in large quantities. > the problem with porn is that it may be illegal in itself in the same > countries. the problem with spam is that ascii text just doesn't offer > much to hide stego in (whitespacing, etc. is both easy to find and can > store very little data). > Since the amount of information you need to send and the channel/event capacity for stego'd information are unspecified maybe you're looking for a general solution. Part of a general solution might be a scatter-gather mechanism. XMIT The information you need to send is broken up into multiple pieces and an index. The simplest method would be a flat structure but a tree is acceptable. Redundancy via overlapping segments could be introduced. Redundancy/error correction might be useful if Mallet is inclined for example to mess with whitespace in your e-mail. Anyway, the pieces are stego'd into multiple carriers that are made available via any and all protocols. RCV Once a recipient has the top-level index they can gather the pieces and reconstruct the original. Notes Scattering the information over multiple sites and accessing it via valid sets of linked pages for example might help in disguising the act of retrieving any particular carrier. A typical browse sequence might include many unused files and only one carrier. A single carrier might serve various fragments from multiple original input documents intended for different recipients. If a single carrier is safe and acceptable a webcam might be a nice broadcast for a few channels of text. It does simplify the task of identifying the sender and making a list of possibly recipients. A shifting set of sources would probably be safer. Message fragments could be transmitted over any period of time with the top-level index being the final step. That would help the sender avoid detection of the actual transmission since it could be interleaved with other activities. Likewise reception could be over an arbitrary period of time and interleaved with other activities. *** There's a high bandwidth cost associated with the scatter-gather process but it does allow arbitrarily sized messages and I'm assuming the cost of getting caught is extremely high as is the desire of authorities to view content, locate the sender or other recipients and suppress the information if it is detected. Mike

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CDR: stego for the censored
by Tom Vogt 07 Oct '00

07 Oct '00

I'm currently looking for a way to get encrypted data via stego to people who live in countries where crypto is illegal, and who may be watched. so just sending them a large graphic would likely arouse suspicion. the 2 best solutions I've come up with so far are porn and spam. both are readily believable, even in large quantities. the problem with porn is that it may be illegal in itself in the same countries. the problem with spam is that ascii text just doesn't offer much to hide stego in (whitespacing, etc. is both easy to find and can store very little data).

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CDR: Re: Anonymous Remailers cpunk
by No User 07 Oct '00

07 Oct '00

>This subthread came along >because some people have noticed that anonymous remailers are used for >an awful lot of spam. They are? I don't think I have ever received spam sent through a remailer or seen remailed spam in a newsgroup. Where am I most likely to encounter remailed spam? Anonymous

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CDR: E Street Journal Emerging stock alert
by announce＠estreetjournal.net 07 Oct '00

07 Oct '00

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CDR: Re: Disposable remailers
by despot 07 Oct '00

07 Oct '00

On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Bill O'Hanlon wrote: > It might not be able to have crypto. I'm not sure if > something PGPish can be ported to it and still leave room > for the incoming message. It comes with less than 300K of > useable RAM. However, the TINI does have a socket on it > for an Ibutton, so one of Dallas' Crypto or Java buttons > might be able to take on the crypto load. That's more > money per unit, however. Perhaps this idea would work on low volume remailers. An iButton could be loaded with an applet to perform public key crypto, and thus, a sort of mixmaster remailer could be constructed. But, the memory constraints on iButtons (I believe 134K is the max currently available) and their slow speed may even rule this out for a low-volume remailer. And, as Bill mentioned, latency and reordering would not be feasible. Without those features, the amount of anonymity is reduced. > I'm envisioning that the code would announce itself to some set of > web servers so that people can know where to find a few of these > transient remailers when they wanted to send some messages. Problems occur if the locations of these tini remailers are spread through such means. If the addresses are posted to a web site, tracking down such remailers would be simple, quick, and as thorough as the list of the remailers. > Also, due to the small memory footprint, it doesn't look > like a lot of messages can be stored locally, so there's > not a lot of room for latency and message re-ordering. Use of these tini remailers should really only be done in a remailer-chained message. Of course, the chain would need to include one or more non-tini remailers. This way, even if all tini remailers are monitored, you still have a remailer that provides some level of obfuscation through latency and reordering. But, this disposable remailer idea is solid. As a quick example scheme, if there were some sort of remailer protocol that functioned like routing protocols, as disposable remailers came online, they could announce themselves to other remailers. Pseudorandom hopping from one disposable remailer to another could occur in a remailer-chained message, instead of manually encrypting a message for a chain of remailers. The sender could encrypt the message for the gateway and final non-disposable remailers and then specify a hop count. The first non-disposable remailer would decrypt one layer of encryption, decrement the hop count, pick pseudorandomly a disposable remailer to pass this message to, encrypt this message and pass it on. When the hop count hits one, the message is just forwarded to the final non-disposable remailer in the chain, which would then decrypt the final layer of encryption and passes it on to the recipient. Of course, this example is just something I pulled out of my ass...read up on more advance schemes if interested. The dynamic property of such a scheme would be ideal for disposable remailers. As they are discovered and removed, the system would compensate. With cheap cost, simple set up, and ease of hiding, disposable remailers could be brought online faster than they are taken down. And, if placed anonymously, there will no one to be held responsible for the devices. So, are small devices like tini's the ideal form of the future remailer? Is some sort of distributed, dynamic remailer scheme based on small devices the way to go? The stable remailer running on a box is subject to all sorts of legal issues, isp problems, etc. These covert, anonymous remailers have a great deal more freedom. On a side note, what other throw-away internet-ready devices would be of interest? Motion detectors? Access control devices? Door locks? -andrew

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CDR: encryption obsoleted
by Anonymous Remailer 07 Oct '00

07 Oct '00

Well, they are original. I do not recall any other instance when a government said "we will not snoop." --- "Former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic has no longer any influence on the police and army force in the country, and all phone taps, both fixed and mobile in Serbia have stopped, stated Zoran Djindjic, one of the leaders of the Democratic Opposition of Serbia (DOS), in an interview for B2-92." "Djindjic also said that the first step toward change is that all telephone tapping has been stopped in Serbia."

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CDR: encryption obsoleted
by Anonymous Remailer 07 Oct '00

07 Oct '00

Well, they are original. I do not recall any other instance when a government said "we will not snoop." --- "Former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic has no longer any influence on the police and army force in the country, and all phone taps, both fixed and mobile in Serbia have stopped, stated Zoran Djindjic, one of the leaders of the Democratic Opposition of Serbia (DOS), in an interview for B2-92." "Djindjic also said that the first step toward change is that all telephone tapping has been stopped in Serbia."

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07 Oct '00

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CDR: Government again enters Somalia
by James A.. Donald 07 Oct '00

07 Oct '00

Some time ago, the president of Somalia returned from his exile to Mogadishu, the former capital of Somalia, which was going to be the new capital of Somalia. Lots of people gave lots of speeches about how popular and successful the new government was, and CNN gave a glowing account of how pleased the Somalis were to have a government again. Approximately twenty four hours later, the new government did a moonlight flit out of Somalia back into exile. Recently the new government announced it was returning from its exile to Baidoa, which is to be the new government of Somalia. Lots of notables gave lots of speeches about how popular and successful the new government was, and CNN gave a glowing account of how pleased the Somalis were to have a government again. Unfortunately neither the president or any senior members of the new government were able to make it Baidoa in time for the press conference.

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CDR: Research this Tech Stock
by otd2＠email.com 07 Oct '00

07 Oct '00

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CDR: Announcing: cypherpunks@koeln.ccc.de
by drt＠un.bewaff.net 07 Oct '00

07 Oct '00

The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to cbone.ml.cypherpunks as well. ravage(a)ssz.com (Jim Choate) writes: > What happened to the new node that was supposed to go online at the las= t > meeting? >=20 > Cold feet? No, just a cold staying in bed for a week. So here is the anouncemant: A new CDR Node has opened at koeln.ccc.de. The machine is Located in NRW, Germany and keeps logs. To quote http://koeln.ccc.de/mailman/listinfo/cypherpunks About Cypherpunks This is a european node of the cypherpunks distributed remailer (CDR). Other Nodes can be reached at majordomo(a)ssz.com, majordomo(a)cyberpass.net, majordomo(a)minder.net, majordomo(a)algebra.com and listproc(a)openpgp.net. There is also the classical cypherpunks(a)toad.com node which is in an undetermined state. The koeln.ccc.de node feeds minder.net and ssz.com. It recives feeds from minder.net, cyberpass.net, algebra.com ano openpgp.net. This specific node drops messages bigger than 32k and every message with more than 17 recipients or just a line containing "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the subject. This node is also available read-only by nntp. There is some Information how Jim Choate sees CDR history at szz.com. Older archives can be found at inet-one, at venona.com and lanesbry.com. If you interested in physical meetings visit meetingpunks. To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the Cypherpunks Archives.=20 I'm still not really happy with the software but it seems to work without hickups. The nntp-part is still unstable but this shouldn't affect the mail-part. One nice Feature is that you can get a digest. Anonymous UUCP over TCP/ISDN/V.90 for cypherpunks is planned but will take some time. I still didn't get contact with algebra.com, openpgp.net and cyberpass.net administrators to exchange backbone traffic. drt --=20 Aber la=DF mich dich gleich mal vor der Zeitverschwendung deines Lebens bewahren: wenn du mit diesem Problem schon =FCberfordert bist, ist Assembler nichts f=FCr dich. Denn da mu=DF man logisch denken und Proble= me selbst=E4ndig l=F6sen, die sonst ein Compiler f=FCr einen l=F6st. ---Felix von Leitner http://koeln.ccc.de/~drt/

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CDR: Professia - psiholog
by no_relay＠mailandnews.com 07 Oct '00

07 Oct '00

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CDR: Announcing: cypherpunks@koeln.ccc.de
by drt＠un.bewaff.net 07 Oct '00

07 Oct '00

The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to cbone.ml.cypherpunks as well. ravage(a)ssz.com (Jim Choate) writes: > What happened to the new node that was supposed to go online at the last > meeting? > > Cold feet? No, just a cold staying in bed for a week. So here is the anouncemant: A new CDR Node has opened at koeln.ccc.de. The machine is Located in NRW, Germany and keeps logs. To quote http://koeln.ccc.de/mailman/listinfo/cypherpunks About Cypherpunks This is a european node of the cypherpunks distributed remailer (CDR). Other Nodes can be reached at majordomo(a)ssz.com, majordomo(a)cyberpass.net, majordomo(a)minder.net, majordomo(a)algebra.com and listproc(a)openpgp.net. There is also the classical cypherpunks(a)toad.com node which is in an undetermined state. The koeln.ccc.de node feeds minder.net and ssz.com. It recives feeds from minder.net, cyberpass.net, algebra.com ano openpgp.net. This specific node drops messages bigger than 32k and every message with more than 17 recipients or just a line containing "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the subject. This node is also available read-only by nntp. There is some Information how Jim Choate sees CDR history at szz.com. Older archives can be found at inet-one, at venona.com and lanesbry.com. If you interested in physical meetings visit meetingpunks. To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the Cypherpunks Archives. I'm still not really happy with the software but it seems to work without hickups. The nntp-part is still unstable but this shouldn't affect the mail-part. One nice Feature is that you can get a digest. Anonymous UUCP over TCP/ISDN/V.90 for cypherpunks is planned but will take some time. I still didn't get contact with algebra.com, openpgp.net and cyberpass.net administrators to exchange backbone traffic. drt -- Aber laß mich dich gleich mal vor der Zeitverschwendung deines Lebens bewahren: wenn du mit diesem Problem schon überfordert bist, ist Assembler nichts für dich. Denn da muß man logisch denken und Probleme selbständig lösen, die sonst ein Compiler für einen löst. ---Felix von Leitner http://koeln.ccc.de/~drt/

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CDR: http://www.rfdata.net/ATM-POS/
by R. A. Hettinga 07 Oct '00

07 Oct '00

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CDR: Re: Anonymous Remailers
by Bill Stewart 07 Oct '00

07 Oct '00

At 09:46 AM 10/5/00 -0400, Sampo A Syreeni wrote: >One variation of the original proposal would be to only allow egress to >addresses known to lay in a jurisdiction different from the one in which the >remailer resides. I know, the problem is nontrivial with all the dotcom >addresses and such around. Does doing a DNS lookup and working on IP >addresses help? That's not something the remailer should be doing - that's something that the user sending the message should be doing. If the remailer list shows what jurisdiction the remailer is in, that makes it easier for the user to determine, but it's the user's choice. Of course, if the remailer _always_ adds its own encrypt-and-mail hop, sending to another remailer in another jurisdiction, that's transparent to the user and a good thing (as long as it can avoid mail loops.) Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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CDR: Anonymous Remailers
by Steve Furlong 07 Oct '00

07 Oct '00

Does anyone have any suggestions for setting up an anonymous remailer? I found a FAQ from a "Cypherpunks Home Page" mirror, but that's from _1993_! I assume there's more recent work out there somewhere, but I didn't see anything on Google or Packetstorm, nor mentioned in Phrack or some other zines. I'd like a HOWTO, suggesting software to use and how to set it up. I'm pretty clueless as to what would be needed, but I have a FreeBSD box and a DSL line with no usage restrictions. If need be I can set up another box, dedicated to this purpose. I should have the means once I get whapped with a cluestick. I'd also like discussions of real-world problems that people have found. What kind of things cause you to think about shutting down your remailer? Technical abuse, legal difficulties, or what? Thanks, SRF -- Steve Furlong, Computer Condottiere Have GNU, will travel 518-374-4720 sfurlong(a)acmenet.net

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http://www.rfdata.net/ATM-POS/
by Somebody 07 Oct '00

07 Oct '00

will wonders never cease? wanna put an atm machine at an Anguillan hot-spot? really. why do you think they're registered in the BVI? Wireless ATM machines have been deployed by FirStar Bank (USBancorp now) in the midwest. makes a lot of sense, but I hope their encryption is really good. --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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http://www.rfdata.net/ATM-POS/
by Somebody 07 Oct '00

07 Oct '00

will wonders never cease? wanna put an atm machine at an Anguillan hot-spot? really. why do you think they're registered in the BVI? Wireless ATM machines have been deployed by FirStar Bank (USBancorp now) in the midwest. makes a lot of sense, but I hope their encryption is really good. --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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CDR: VP debate drinking game
by David Honig 07 Oct '00

07 Oct '00

Every time a VP candidate during the debate says "weapons of mass destruction" you have to sip.

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CDR: Fwd: Re: Niiice kitty....
by Reese 07 Oct '00

07 Oct '00

Another one, Entity 5 writes: >This is a calumny. I have personally checked hundreds, and I do mean >hundreds--probably over 500--Chomsky citations to original texts and >documents, and have never found any error that was not an obvious >typographical error, a misprint or something like that. One can always >argue about meaning and context, but the person who says that Chomsky >is a fabricator is ignorant or lying. --.sig > Entity 4 wrote: ><< this was posted on the cypherpunks list. the respondent maintains that >chomsky is well-known for misquoting or twisting quotes/sources. never >heard that come up here in all our discussions... comments? cypherpunks >is archived if you want more info. > >.sig > ><fowarded> > -- > > I've been reading Noam Chomsky's book on Kosovo and came across this > > quote from a Cabinet note written by Churchill in January 1914 > > explaining the need for increased military expenditure (taken in > > turn from Clive Ponting's Churchill, 1994, P 132): > > > > "We are not a young people with an innocent record and a scanty > > inheritance. We have engrossed to ourselves an altogether > > disproportionate share of the wealth and traffic of the world. We > > have got all we want in territory, and our claim to be left in the > > unmolested enjoyment of vast and splendid possessions, mainly > > acquired by violence, largely maintained by force, often seems less > > reasonable to others than to us." > > >Chomsky is hardly a reliable source. He routinely fabricates or falsifies >quotes. I suggest you check his alleged sources. > >Chances are you will be unable to find his alleged source. In the unlikely >event that you are able to find it, it will not say quite what Chomsky >claims it said. > > --digsig > > ></backwarded> > > > > > >>

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CDR: DNAP - EMERGING BIOTHECH COMPANY - NEWS TODAY!!
by HOTSTOCKS＠takeone.com 06 Oct '00

06 Oct '00

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CDR: Update: Zero-Knowledge Freedom for Mac
by R. A. Hettinga 06 Oct '00

06 Oct '00

--- begin forwarded text User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 11:06:43 -0400 Subject: Update: Zero-Knowledge Freedom for Mac From: Mark Scott <mark(a)zeroknowledge.com> To: <mac-crypto(a)vmeng.com> Sender: <mac-crypto(a)vmeng.com> Hello mac-crypto list, The following is a message I sent to our Freedom beta and "notify of release" list. It provides updated information on the development of Freedom for the Mac. Thanks for your support. ---- First of all thank you for your patience. If you are following Internet privacy in the news you have probably been reading a lot about us lately. We have been getting five star reviews in the PC world/Mag publications, as well as rave reviews from main stream media, including the Wall Street Journal, USA Today, ABC News and many others. In the coming 5-10 days we will release our Freedom 2.0 beta for Windows 95/98/2000/ME and Linux. The reason that the Linux version of Freedom is available before the Mac version is because of the amount of common code between the two platforms. Regrettably this was not the case for the Mac version. This does not mean that we are in anyway less committed, it just means that the Mac version is a greater challenge to develop from the ground up. Having just completed meetings with our Mac development team I can tell you the following: We expect to have a Mac version of Freedom for MacWorld Expo January 2001. At this time we expect this version will support OS 8.6 - 9. We expect the OS X support to follow shortly after, at this point I can't define how quickly. Because of the inherent complexities of writing code for the first release of a product in a different platform, I cannot at this point say if this will be a technology demonstration, alpha, or beta. You may rest assured however, that we are putting all our efforts in developing the Mac version as quickly as we possibly can. I am planning at participating at Macworld in January, and I look forward to meeting any of you who wish to drop by and say hello, and of course see Freedom! I will keep you informed on details as we approach Macworld. I will continue to keep you up to date, and I appreciate all the feedback I have received from Mac users from around the world. We continue to collect beta tester names, and feel free to send this link to your friends and encourage them to sign up. http://www.freedom.net/download/mac.html#betatesters If any of you have further questions or comments, please do not hesitate to contact me. Best regards -- Mark Scott Product Manager/Evangelist, Macintosh & Linux Solutions Zero-Knowledge Systems Inc. 888 Blvd. de Maisonneuve East. 6th Floor Montreal, Quebec H2L 4S8 514-286-2636 ext. 2075 mark(a)zeroknowledge.com http://www.zeroknowledge.com PGP Fingerprint: B7D6 B1E7 92A1 022F 89DE 7CCF 4CA0 5329 41D4 235B --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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CDR: delete this judge
by anonymous＠openpgp.net 06 Oct '00

06 Oct '00

from /. "According to The New York Times (free registration required, for those who care about such things), a prominent judge recently wrote an article saying that the delete key should actually delete things, not just hide them away where lawyers and skilled computer geeks can get at them years later. Specifically, he proposes that a statute of limitations be imposed upon electronic messages--that, for example, an obnoxious email you send today could be held against you for six months and six months only." ... The judges original paper is http://www.greenbag.org/Rosenbaum/rosenbaum.pdf linked off of The Green Bag.

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