October 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

CDR: Re: Tim May's anti-semitic rants
by Matt Curtin 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

>>>>> "9950013" == auto9950013 <auto9950013(a)hushmail.com> writes: 9950013> Tim's anti Jewish sentiments are obvious in his current 9950013> posts and in the past. And your irrelevant drivel has earned you a place in my killfile. Congratulations! -- Matt Curtin, Founder Interhack Corporation http://www.interhack.net/ "Building the Internet, Securely." research | development | consulting

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CDR: RE: why should it be trusted? cpunk
by Trei, Peter 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

> ---------- > From: David Honig[SMTP:honig@sprynet.com] > Reply To: David Honig > Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2000 4:16 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: why should it be trusted? > > At 10:34 PM 10/18/00 -0400, Neil Johnson wrote: > >I don't have a problem with insurance companies raising rates for people > who > >smoke, are overweight (cough, cough), or have high cholesterol (cough, > >cough, cough). That's behavior that can be changed. > > How silly. Weight and cholesterol (and intelligence and lifespan) have > strong genetic factors, as does smoking and drinking, how you respond to > stress, etc. You might start by looking up 'dopamine receptors' or 'self > medication' > Curiously, life and health insurance providers have conflicting goals. Life insurance providers profit most if you live a long, long, time, regardless of the quality of that life. Health insurance providers would much prefer that at some age just before you start needing large amounts of care, you die too rapidly to need any kind of treatment - a sudden coronary, or hit by the proverbial bus. I've heard that smokers actually cost the healthcare system less money than non-smokers, since they die comparatively rapidly once they start to deteriorate (no I can't give a cite on that one, either), and need less long-term care. Peter Trei > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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CDR: Re: "Cypherpunks is archived?"
by Matt Curtin 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

>>>>> "Tim" == Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> writes: Tim> Those who wish to protect their identities should take positive Tim> measures to do so. Now there's an idea: using cypherpunk technology to enforce one's privacy. I momentarily thought that I was reading a thread on cypherpunks that was essentially advocating security through hand-waving and (a no-archive) policy. Whew. -- Matt Curtin, Founder Interhack Corporation http://www.interhack.net/ "Building the Internet, Securely." research | development | consulting

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CDR: ECHELON under European criminal indictment!
by George＠Orwellian.Org 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

AH HA HA HA HA http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/nb/nb4.htm 10/17/00- Updated 05:39 PM ET Criminal charges filed against 'Echelon' From: Newsbytes News Network By Steve Gold A Member of the European Parliament (MEP) from Berlin has filed criminal complaints in Germany against the international Echelon computer surveillance network. Unlike the recently vilified Carnivore Internet monitoring system installed on most U.S. Internet Service Provider (ISP) servers, the Echelon system is shrouded in secrecy. Thought to have been created in the 1940s by the U.S. and UK governments, the system is now known to monitor most voice and data traffic circulating in most West countries. Reports suggest that it can legally do this by side-stepping national anti-surveillance legislation by requiring, for example, the U.S. government's National Security Agency (NSA) to monitor UK comms traffic, and, similarly, using the UK's security agencies to monitor U.S. comms traffic. In her complaint, Ilka Schrvder, a Green Party Member of the European Parliament (MEP) cited "unknown suspects especially from the U.S. And Great Britain, as well as possibly the German Federal Government, for operating and tolerating the Echelon network." According to German media reports, Schrvder filed the complaints Monday with the German Federal chief public prosecutor, as well as public prosecutors' offices in Berlin and, perhaps significantly, in Traunstein. The Traunstein office covers the Bavarian town of Bad Aibling, where a monitoring station is generally reported as being operated by the NSA. Schrvder, who serves as a substitute member of the European Parliament committee which is investigating Echelon, referred to a report commissioned by the committee, which confirmed that Echelon is monitoring private and business telephone calls, faxes, and e-mail messages in Europe, including in Germany. This is not the first time that Echelon has come into the legal firing line. Back in February, reports suggested that the French government was considering lawsuits on privacy grounds, alleging that the international Echelon super-spy network monitored French companies, diplomats and ministers. The Echelon network has been talked about in security circles for several years, but its existence was most recently confirmed in November 1999, when the BBC reported that an Australian government official had confirmed the network actually existed. At the time, the BBC reported that Bill Blick, Australia's inspector general of intelligence, confirmed that his country's Defence Signals Directorate forms part of the Echelon network. "As you would expect there are a large amount of radio communications floating around in the atmosphere, and agencies such as the DSD collect those communications in the interests of their national security," Blick told the BBC. Asked if information is then passed on to the U.S. or the UK, Blick replied that "in certain circumstances" it was. The BBC report followed hard on the heels of an attempt on Oct. 22, 1999, to swamp the Echelon network with subversive e-mails. In that incident, Internet users from around the world launched an e- mail campaign against the NSA in an attempt to flood the agency's alleged computer surveillance system. Reports of the time suggested that the protesters were upset at NSA's apparent scanning of e-mails in an attempt to identify potential terrorists. In the United States, a recent CBS-TV report on the show 60 Minutes reported that the system may have been used to spy on the phone conversations of the late Princess Diana, at a time when she was spearheading an effort to ban landmines worldwide. Echelon's existence has been discussed in security circles for almost a decade, but its existence was only brought to public attention in early 1997 by Covert Action Quarterly (CAQ), a quarterly intelligence newsletter, which revealed details of the global telecommunications surveillance system. According to the newsletter, Echelon is a top secret alliance involving the NSA's telecoms surveillance system and other government networks that allows the bulk of the civilized world's telephone calls to be digitized and analyzed using intelligent text searching technology. CAQ said that Echelon monitors virtually all phone calls in the U.S. And Europe, including the UK, effectively making a mockery of the UK's Interception of Communications Act. The newsletter added that Echelon is used to keyword search e-mail, fax, telex and all types of voice communications, including analog and digital cellular phone calls. "Unlike many of the electronic spy systems developed during the Cold War, Echelon is designed primarily for non-military targets: governments, organizations, businesses, and individuals in virtually every country. It potentially affects every person communicating between (and sometimes within) countries anywhere in the world," the newsletter said. The newsletter added that the existence of Echelon was inadvertently revealed by the New Zealand government, which joined the Echelon network in the 1960s. The four other main members of Echelon are the U.S.' NSA, the UK's GCHQ, Canada's Communications Security Establishment (CSE) and Australia's Defence Signals Directorate (DSD). The newsletter said that Echelon started life as a UK-U.S. government co-operative initiative in the Second World War. After the war, the agreement was formalized in 1948, when the UK and the U.S. agreed to tackle intelligence gathering against the USSR. Central to Echelon are the Echelon dictionaries, which are compiled by the five main members' intelligence agencies. Each intelligence agency holds copies of all of the other members' dictionaries, which contain details of keywords that the respective intelligence agency is interested in. Each agency's computer system scans all available telecoms and data traffic in its region. Where another agency's keyword is found in the digital data stream, the relevant text or data is automatically forwarded to the appropriate agency's computer system. This means, the newsletter said, that the originating agency's staff never get to see the relevant data - only the agency with the appropriate keyword receives the transmission. CAQ claims that the relevant agencies' headquarters processing Echelon data surveillance files are located in Washington, Ottawa, Cheltenham, Canberra, and Wellington. ---- Also see: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2641902,00.html The above two items were found in Usenet.

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CDR: re:Tim May's anti-semitic rants
by Anonymous Remailer 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

> Tim's anti Jewish sentiments are obvious in his current posts and in the > past. > If he had any guts he would admit what he really feels instead of using > sarcasm and obfuscation. Tim hates most people. Don't take it personally.

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CDR: Non-Repudiation in the Digital Environment (was Re: First
by Ed Gerck 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

Tony Bartoletti wrote: > > > The problem goes beyond simple impersonation in that the victims > > > subsequently find it difficult to convince large institutions that > > > they are who they say they are. My understanding is that the term > > > comes from victims' statements that they felt as if their identities > > > had been stolen. See http://www.consumer.gov/idtheft/. The question > > > is relevant here, not as just another parallel question of semantics, > > > but because exactly how the legal system treats "non-repudiation" can > > > make the identity theft problem much better or much worse. > > > >No. The fact that people like to talk in dumbed down soundbites like > >"identity theft", instead of using well-established words like > >"impersonation", > >does not mean that any legally relevant conclusions can be drawn from the > >misuse of technical terms like "theft" in the soundbite. > > Other choices? > > Identity Theft > Identity Pollution > Identity Vandalism > Identity Assault > Identity Misappropriation > (Slander in the First Person :) > > Would it matter if we substitute "reputation" for "identity". Is my identity > (to others) any different than the reputation with which it is associated? > > Call it what you will. If institutions that once recognized me fail now > to do so, I have lost something-in-general. > > Name that something-in-general. Well, you have not lost it nor has it has been "stolen". You are simply barred from using it. This is the result of impersonation, since now the other person is the one that has access to it. The use of "identity theft" instead of impersonation is thus utterly misleading, even though lawyers and lawmakers are the ones perpetrating such use. No legally relevant conclusions can be drawn from the misuse of the technical term "theft" in the soundbite. In comparison, defining non-repudiation in terms of protocol messages and only for protocol messages is, at most, a solipsistic endeavor. However, it is IMO a most useful one so that others, including lawyers and lawmakers, are prevented from using it in a perverted way just because RFCs are written in English. Cheers, Ed Gerck

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Bank Offers Virtual Safe Deposit Boxes (was Re: ip: SANS NewsBites Vol. 2 Num. 42)
by R. A. Hettinga 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

At 3:56 PM -0500 on 10/18/00, The SANS Institute wrote: > --10 October 2000 Bank Offers Virtual Safe Deposit Boxes > FleetBoston Financial Corp. is offering online safe deposit boxes for > electronic documents; the virtual boxes are accessible with an ID number > and a password. > http://www.boston.com/dailynews/284/economy/Fleet_to_offer_Web_based_safe_P. > shtml > http://www.boston.com/dailynews/284/economy/Boston_bank_offers_Web_based_sP. > shtml -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: Mac created the modern Internet (was RE: I created the "Al Gore created the Internet" story)
by Adam C. Engst 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

At 9:28 AM -0400 10/19/00, R. A. Hettinga wrote: >The drive for Internet access came from Mac users. Few consumers had access >to Unix operating system based machines and Windows 3.1 lacked the Internet >applications. A host of which was readily available for the Mac and came >included on floppy in a book by Adam Engst that the novice Mac Internet user >probably wanted to read anyway. Most of them did. > >Which left a single major barrier: $2/hour. This last and probably most >crucial barrier went away literally during the course of a weekend when a >Berkeley company called Cyberspace Development announced a revolutionary >product: The Internet Adapter (TIA). TIA was a user level program that >allowed the user to pull a SLIP connection out of a regular shell account. >The program spread like wildfire through the Netcom Macintosh user >community. Within that single weekend, dozens of people were using TIA. >Everybody said the same thing: "it works"! > >Many shell providers banned TIA. Fortunately, Netcom did not. As one of >TIA's first users that very weekend, I wrote the "TIA mini-FAQ" on the spot, >explaining step-by-step in two pages how anybody with a Macintosh can get >hooked up with real IP within 30 minutes. At flat-rate shell prices. My >mini-FAQ was in stunningly high demand. > >Faced with this sudden flat-rate competition, within a few months the first >SLIP/PPP provider went to a flat-rate model. Then another. Then a third. >Providers started sprouting up all over the place. People began using >Mosaic, which was quickly replaced by several other browsers that started >showing up for the Mac within a couple of months. Most of the improvements >in those new Mac browsers were copied by a new startup that was formed soon >thereafter. That company was Netscape. The remainder of Internet history I >presume most of us are aware of. This is close to correct, but not quite. In fact, along with bundling MacTCP with my Internet Starter Kit for Macintosh (which enabled Mac users to get MacTCP AND a book of instruction for $30 rather than pay Apple $60 for just MacTCP, if you could find it), the book also came with a flat-rate SLIP account from Northwest Nexus, my ISP in Bellevue, WA. What happened was that we'd gone around looking for a decent SLIP account to bundle with the book, but weren't able to find anything under $11 per hour. I casually mentioned this to Ed Morin, the owner of Northwest Nexus (which I'd always used for ISP service in Washington), and said that I assumed they didn't want to be bundled because the book would have international distribution and I thought they wanted to be only a local ISP. Ed said he could have such problems, and a 4 hour telephone call (which included several conference calls with Livingston technical support to configure Nexus's PortMasters for dynamic IP addressing, which had just appeared in the feature set) later, we had flat-rate SLIP working. That flat-rate SLIP account was tremendously popular, and Northwest Nexus attracted customers from all over the world who were willing to pay long distance charges to avoid the usurious rates for SLIP locally. That was the key event in pricing SLIP down, in my opinion, since TIA came quite a bit later. TIA was another moving force, without question, but not the first one. I wrote about it in the second edition of ISKM. And what I mostly remember about Netcom in those early days was that their technical support was almost totally non-existent. I helped many ISKM readers solve problems with Netcom because Netcom wouldn't respond to email or phone calls. And since I never had a Netcom account, it was mostly a matter of garnering the specific bits of setup information from some people so I could help others. cheers... -Adam PS: And to bring the story full circle, the person who introduced me to TIA before it was released so I could write about it in the second edition of ISKM was Drummond Reed of Intermind, who has subsequently been the driving force behind the just-released eXtensible Name Service (XNS) technology that I'm helping guide via the non-profit XNSORG. Ironically XNS is almost the complete opposite of TIA. Where TIA was a quick hack that was immediately useful, it also had a very short lifespan and disappeared entirely as soon as the hardware appeared for all ISPs to do PPP. In contrast, XNS is a broad technology platform that has relatively few immediate uses, but which, if it succeeds, will affect a vast number of things on the Internet for a long time to come. <http://www.xns.org/> ______________________________________________________________________ Adam C. Engst #2 in MDJ Power 25 / #5 in MacDirectory Top 10 TidBITS Publisher <ace(a)tidbits.com> <http://www.tidbits.com> XNSORG President =Adam Engst <ace(a)xns.org> <http://www.xns.org/> Computer Book Author <http://www.tidbits.com/bookbits/staff.html> Macworld Contrib. Editor <http://www.macworld.com/columns/wiredlife/> --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: Mac created the modern Internet (was RE: I created the "Al Gore created the Internet" story)
by Adam C. Engst 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

At 9:28 AM -0400 10/19/00, R. A. Hettinga wrote: >The drive for Internet access came from Mac users. Few consumers had access >to Unix operating system based machines and Windows 3.1 lacked the Internet >applications. A host of which was readily available for the Mac and came >included on floppy in a book by Adam Engst that the novice Mac Internet user >probably wanted to read anyway. Most of them did. > >Which left a single major barrier: $2/hour. This last and probably most >crucial barrier went away literally during the course of a weekend when a >Berkeley company called Cyberspace Development announced a revolutionary >product: The Internet Adapter (TIA). TIA was a user level program that >allowed the user to pull a SLIP connection out of a regular shell account. >The program spread like wildfire through the Netcom Macintosh user >community. Within that single weekend, dozens of people were using TIA. >Everybody said the same thing: "it works"! > >Many shell providers banned TIA. Fortunately, Netcom did not. As one of >TIA's first users that very weekend, I wrote the "TIA mini-FAQ" on the spot, >explaining step-by-step in two pages how anybody with a Macintosh can get >hooked up with real IP within 30 minutes. At flat-rate shell prices. My >mini-FAQ was in stunningly high demand. > >Faced with this sudden flat-rate competition, within a few months the first >SLIP/PPP provider went to a flat-rate model. Then another. Then a third. >Providers started sprouting up all over the place. People began using >Mosaic, which was quickly replaced by several other browsers that started >showing up for the Mac within a couple of months. Most of the improvements >in those new Mac browsers were copied by a new startup that was formed soon >thereafter. That company was Netscape. The remainder of Internet history I >presume most of us are aware of. This is close to correct, but not quite. In fact, along with bundling MacTCP with my Internet Starter Kit for Macintosh (which enabled Mac users to get MacTCP AND a book of instruction for $30 rather than pay Apple $60 for just MacTCP, if you could find it), the book also came with a flat-rate SLIP account from Northwest Nexus, my ISP in Bellevue, WA. What happened was that we'd gone around looking for a decent SLIP account to bundle with the book, but weren't able to find anything under $11 per hour. I casually mentioned this to Ed Morin, the owner of Northwest Nexus (which I'd always used for ISP service in Washington), and said that I assumed they didn't want to be bundled because the book would have international distribution and I thought they wanted to be only a local ISP. Ed said he could have such problems, and a 4 hour telephone call (which included several conference calls with Livingston technical support to configure Nexus's PortMasters for dynamic IP addressing, which had just appeared in the feature set) later, we had flat-rate SLIP working. That flat-rate SLIP account was tremendously popular, and Northwest Nexus attracted customers from all over the world who were willing to pay long distance charges to avoid the usurious rates for SLIP locally. That was the key event in pricing SLIP down, in my opinion, since TIA came quite a bit later. TIA was another moving force, without question, but not the first one. I wrote about it in the second edition of ISKM. And what I mostly remember about Netcom in those early days was that their technical support was almost totally non-existent. I helped many ISKM readers solve problems with Netcom because Netcom wouldn't respond to email or phone calls. And since I never had a Netcom account, it was mostly a matter of garnering the specific bits of setup information from some people so I could help others. cheers... -Adam PS: And to bring the story full circle, the person who introduced me to TIA before it was released so I could write about it in the second edition of ISKM was Drummond Reed of Intermind, who has subsequently been the driving force behind the just-released eXtensible Name Service (XNS) technology that I'm helping guide via the non-profit XNSORG. Ironically XNS is almost the complete opposite of TIA. Where TIA was a quick hack that was immediately useful, it also had a very short lifespan and disappeared entirely as soon as the hardware appeared for all ISPs to do PPP. In contrast, XNS is a broad technology platform that has relatively few immediate uses, but which, if it succeeds, will affect a vast number of things on the Internet for a long time to come. <http://www.xns.org/> ______________________________________________________________________ Adam C. Engst #2 in MDJ Power 25 / #5 in MacDirectory Top 10 TidBITS Publisher <ace(a)tidbits.com> <http://www.tidbits.com> XNSORG President =Adam Engst <ace(a)xns.org> <http://www.xns.org/> Computer Book Author <http://www.tidbits.com/bookbits/staff.html> Macworld Contrib. Editor <http://www.macworld.com/columns/wiredlife/> --- end forwarded text -- ----------------- R. A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)ibuc.com> The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation <http://www.ibuc.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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CDR: declining sovereignty in the medistate
by anonymous＠openpgp.net 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

Oct 19, 2000 - 07:59 AM Court Says Forced Medication Allowed in Certain Cases By Andrew Welsh-Huggins Associated Press Writer COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - A mentally ill person involuntarily committed to a treatment center can be ordered by a court to take anti-psychotic drugs if it is in the patients best interest, the state Supreme Court ruled. The unanimous decision said a court also can order medication if a patient lacks the capacity to give or withhold informed consent regarding treatment, and if a less intrusive treatment is unavailable. Before Wednesdays decision, medical personnel could only forcibly medicate mentally ill people who posed an immediate danger to themselves or others. The court ruled in the case of Jeffrey Steele, who appealed a 1997 request by the Hamilton County Community Mental Health Board to forcibly give him psychotropic or mind-altering drugs. "We have attempted to craft a decision that acknowledges a persons right to refuse anti-psychotic medication, and yet recognizes that mental illness sometimes robs a person of the capacity to make informed treatment decisions," Justice Andrew Douglas wrote. Steele was judged mentally ill and involuntarily hospitalized in August 1997, according to court documents. Seeking a legal standard for such cases, his lawyer, Shannon Smith, appealed the order to the Supreme Court even though Steele voluntarily began taking the drugs in 1998. "Im disappointed in the decision. I am encouraged by the fact they took a good hard look at it and now we have a standard," Smith said.

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CDR: re:Tim May's anti-semitic rants
by casey.iverson＠hushmail.com 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

--Hushpart_boundary_USSycvGtKLcphsVrEvgZKVPIClXMuuIp Content-type: text/plain Tim's position's are more anti-Isreal and pro Arab than anti-Jewish. Even if he is a closet anti-Semite, as some have alleged in the past, he has a right to his view. But is this the appropriate list for such views? At 12:34 PM 10/19/00 , auto9950013 wrote: > >This list is no stranger to Tim May's sarcasm and anti-semitic rants. > >>You just used a German word. I'm reporting you to the Zionist League. > > >>"Remember, children of Israel, "Eretz Israel" is not the same thing >>as "lebensraum," and the suppression of the ragheads in Eretz Israel >>is merely pest eradication, not the "Final Solution." War is peace, >>freedom is slavery, and Zionists are libertarians." > --Hushpart_boundary_USSycvGtKLcphsVrEvgZKVPIClXMuuIp-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: If you are not using HushMail, this message could have been read easily by the many people who have access to your open personal email messages. Get your FREE, totally secure email address at http://www.hushmail.com.

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CDR: Kahn's _codebreakers_
by ichudov＠Algebra.Com 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

It costs about $52... But the funny thing is that its Russian translation costs only $6.95... Guess which one I bought... - Igor.

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CDR: House Passes Bipartisan Commercial Space Bill
by Declan McCullagh 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

Committee on Science F. JAMES SENSENBRENNER, JR., CHAIRMAN Ralph M. Hall, Texas, Ranking Democrat www.house.gov/science/welcome.htm October 18, 2000 Press Contacts: Jeff Lungren (Jeff.Lungren(a)mail.house.gov) Jeff Donald (Jeffrey.Donald(a)mail.house.gov) (202) 225-4275 HOUSE PASSES BIPARTISAN COMMERCIAL SPACE BILL Bill Enhances U.S. Commercial Space Competitiveness By Extending Launch Indemnification WASHINGTON, D.C. - With broad bipartisan support, the House yesterday passed H.R. 2607, the Commercial Space Transportation Competitiveness Act, by a voice vote. The bill now goes to the President for final approval. H.R. 2607 extends launch indemnification to the U.S. commercial launch industry for four more years, through the end of 2004. The federal government first decided to indemnify commercial launch companies against catastrophic losses as a means of rebuilding a launch industry that was critical for national security. In addition, the bill authorizes funds for the Offices of Advanced Space Transportation and Space Commerce in the Departments of Transportation and Commerce. The bill's sponsor, Space and Aeronautics Subcommittee Chairman Dana Rohrabacher, (R-CA) said, "Passage of H.R. 2607 signals continued congressional support of a highly competitive launch industry in today's global market. This legislation enables the U.S. Government to maintain a stable business environment so that the private sector can become more competitive. Moreover, by directing the Administration to examine more innovative legal approaches for indemnification, we begin a new chapter in U.S. space development in the 21st Century." House Science Committee Chairman F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr., (R-WI) added, "By extending commercial launch indemnification, this bill helps build a solid foundation for commercial launch companies. This foundation enhances our national security by encouraging private firms to invest in improving U.S. space launch capabilities and maintaining U.S. competitiveness with launchers from Europe, Russia, the Ukraine and China. I hope the President will quickly sign this important bipartisan legislation into law." Science Committee Ranking Minority Member Ralph M. Hall, (D-TX) said, "The Commercial Space Competitiveness Act was the top legislative priority for the American space launch industry. It is in our Nation's interest that we continue to be world leaders in the launch industry. This bill provides the framework of support and incentives the industry indicates they need to keep their premier status. I am pleased that the Science Committee could play a central role in moving this legislation to completion." Space and Aeronautics Subcommittee Ranking Minority Member Bart Gordon, (D-TN), also an original co-sponsor of the bill, noted, "The key achievement of this bill is an extension of the commercial space indemnification provisions. Those provisions, first enacted in 1988, have provided a highly effective risk-sharing system that has helped our launch industry compete with the world. Since their enactment 12 years ago, these provisions haven't cost the taxpayer one dollar in claims." ### 106-164 Jeff Donald Deputy Communications Director House Science Committee 2320 Rayburn House Office Building 202-225-4275 (phone) 202-226-3875 (fax)

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CDR: Will you do this?
by serv＠04.com 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

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This program is currently being utilized in more than 50 different countries across the world. The enclosed INFORMATION is something I almost let slip through my fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gave some thought and study to it. My name is Johnathon Rourke. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for the past twelve years downsized and my position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, friends and creditors over $35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to share the experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER FINANCIALLY!!! In mid December, I received this program via e-mail. Six month's prior to receiving this program I had been sending away for INFORMATION on various business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in my opinion, were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they would work or not. One claimed that I would make a million dollars in one year�it didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it! But like I was saying, in December of 1997 I received this program. I didn't send for it, they just got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start, without putting further into debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. But like most of you, I was still a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office (1-800-752-2161 24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! After determining the program was LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT." Initially I sent out 100,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for my time on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I don't need any money for printing to send out the program, and because all of m orders are fulfilled via e-mail, the only expense is my time. I am telling you like it is, I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money it cost me. In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By January 13, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1. Your goal is to "RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2WEEKS. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My fist step in making $46,000 in 90 days was done. By January 30, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. You goal is to "RECEIVE AT LEAST 100+ ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, TH REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $46,000 GOAL." Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 1, of my e-mailing of 100,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much-needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!!! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY1 Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It won't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! In order for this program to work, you must meet your goal of 20+ orders For REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $46,000 or more in 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! If you are a fellow business owner and are in financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! Sincerely, Johnathon Rourke A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that an amateur could, not have created such a program, and one that is legal. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for 10 years. Then in1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate� because many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those who never had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." The traditional methods of making money will never allow you to "move up" or "get rich", inflation will see to that. You have just received INFORMATION that can give you financial freedom for the rest of you life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than you ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see a penny of this money, nor anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program. I have already made over 4 MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired from the program after sending out over 1,600,000 programs. Now I have several offices that make this and several other programs here and over seas. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 more� and your name will be on every one of them! Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, INFORMATION, materials and opportunity to become financially independent, IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! "THINK ABOUT IT" Before you delete this program fro you mailbox, as I almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS! Jody Jacobs, Richmond, VA HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$ INSTRUCTIONS: This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could us up to $46,000 in the next 90 days. Before you say, "BULL�" please read this program carefully. This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. Basically, this is what you do: As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Because of the global nature of the Internet, you will be able to recruit new multi-level business partners from all over the world, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in you own home, store or office. This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere. This is what you MUST do: 1. Order all 5 reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them if you don't order them). a. For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to the person whose name appears on the list next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY MAIL PROBLEMS! b. When you place your order, make sure you order each of the five reports. You will need all five reports so that you can save them on our computer and resell them. c. Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the five reports. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1000's of people who will order them from you. 2. IMPORTANT-DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than is instructed below in steps "a" through "g" or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you'll also see how it doesn't work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. a. Look below for the listing of available reports. b. After you've ordered the five reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name and address under REPORT #5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their $46,000! Also, change the name of the company, the address, and the REMOVE e-mail address on the top of this document to your own. c. Move the name and address under REPORT #4 down to REPORT #5. d. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. e. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. f. Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position. Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY! 3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the instruction portion of this letter. Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $25). You obviously already have an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE! To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 Reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing INFORMATION which includes how to send bulk e-mails, where to find thousands of Free classified ads and much, much more. In addition you will be provided with INFORMATION on the Internet Marketing Clubs such as INTERNET MARKETING RESOURCES (IMR): This is one of the Premiere Internet marketing clubs on the INTERNET. This club provides a forum on Internet Marketing. In addition, members of this club are provided free Internet marketing tools and services for the Do-It-Yourself-Internet-Marketer. They will provide you with free bulk e-mail software and up to 1,000,000 fresh email addresses each week. This club will provide you with hundreds of free resources which include: How to obtain free web sites, how to obtain top rankings in search engines for you web-site, how to send bulk e-mail into AOL and CompuServe, how to market your products on news groups, free classified ads, electronic malls, bulletin boards, banner ads and much more. There are two primary methods of building you down line: METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL. Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved send out only 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.3% response. Using a good list the response could be much better. Also, many people will send out hundred of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.3% response, that is only 6 orders for REPORT #1. Those 6 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 12,000. Out of that 0.3%, 36 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 36 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 72,000. The 0.3% response to that are 216 orders for REPORT #3. Those 216 send out 2,000 programs each for a 432,000 total. The 0.3% response to that are 1,296 orders for REPORT #4. Those 1,296 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,592,000 total. The 0.3% response to that are 7,776 orders for REPORT #5. That's 7,776 $5 bill for you, CASH!!! Your total income in this example is $30 + $180 + $6,480 + $38,880 for a total of $46,650!!! REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,994 OUT OF THE 2000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE!!! REPORT #2 and #5 will show you the best methods for bulk e-mailing, tell you where to obtain free bulk e-mail software and where to obtain e-mail lists and show you how to send out 100,000 e-mails for free. METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET 1. Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 6 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the Internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 6 down line members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below. 1st level-your 6 members with $5 (5 x 6)�� $30 2nd level-6 members from those 6 ($5 x 36)��....$180 3rd level-6 members from those 36 ($5 x 216)��.�.$1,080 4th level-6members from those 216 ($5 x 216)��.$6,480 5th level-6 members from those 1,296 ($5 x 7,776)��.$38,880 ______ $46,650 Remember friends; this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 6 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Many people will get 100's of participants! THINK ABOUT IT! For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! AVAILABLE REPORTS *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** Notes: ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT CHECKS NOT ACCEPTED ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAIL. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering, (b) your e-mail address, and (c) your name & postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Internet." ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: Jeremy Anderson 1603 E. Wilson Ave. Salt Lake City, UT 84105 REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: Gary Goldman 6476 Bellevue Drive Conyers, GA 30094 REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: Richard R. Civil 1800 Laurel Road Apt# 1603 Lindenwold, NJ 08021 REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel Marketing and the Internet" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: Shawn Thomas 2016 Huntingdon Chase Atlanta, Georgia 30350 REPORT #5 "How to SEND 1,000,000 e-mails for FREE" Order REPORT #5 FROM: Paul Bowen 1105 Amble Lane Clearwater, FL 33755 There are currently more than 175,000,000 people online worldwide! *******TIPS FOR SUCCESS******* *TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. *Send for the five reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report. *ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE YOU RECEIVE. *Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly, your results WILL BE SUCCESSFUL! *ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! *******YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES******* Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2. If you don't, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will Continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails or continue placing ads and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate in this program. Please answer one question. DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR LIFE? If the answer is yes, please look at the following facts about this program: 1. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT, WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE! 2. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT, WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO SHIP! 3. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT, WHICH DOES NOT COST YOU ANYTHING TO ADVERTISE! 4. YOU ARE UTILIZING THE POWER OF THE INTERNET AND THE POWER OF MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING TO DISTRIBUTE YOUR PRODUCT ALL OVER THE WORLD! 5. YOUR ONLY EXPENSES OTHER THAN YOUR INITIAL $25 INVESTMENT IS YOUR TIME! 6. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE INCOME YOU GENERATE FROM THIS PROGRAM IS PURE PROFIT! 7. THIS PROGRAM WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER. *******TESTIMONIALS******* This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of potential income. I'm living proof that it works. It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to financial security. Fred Dellaca, Westport, New Zealand My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago, IL. I am a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received the program I grumbled to Jody about receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work� well, the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had received over 50 responses. Within 45 day she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was shocked! I was sure that I had it all figured and that it wouldn't work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Jody in her "hobby." I did have seven more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not for me. We owe it all to MLM. Mitchell Wolf MD., Chicago, IL The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. Sincerely yours, Pam Hedland Halmstad, Sweden Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. I surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders! For awhile, it got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this deal is that it doesn't matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return. Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program, 11 months passed then it came� I didn't delete this one!� I made more than $41,000 on the first try!! Mohamed, Cairo, Egypt ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM! NOW IS THE TIME FOR YOUR TURN DECISIVE ACTION YIELDS POWERFUL RESULTS!!!! e-WORK AT HOME USING YOUR COMPUTER!!!

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CDR: Re: Mac created the modern Internet (was RE: I created the "Al Gore created the Internet" story)
by R. A. Hettinga 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

For cypherpunks, net-thinkers is a list Vinnie started a looong time ago, with a bunch of, heh, hoary old mac-internet pioneers :-) on it, including Adam Engst. Clearly Adam means to quote Lucky, in the message forwarded below, and not me. Adam's right, obviously, and I'm proof. When I first got to cypherpunks, in May 1994, it was with a SLIP feed from The Internet Access Company (TIAC), in the Boston suburb of Bedford, using the first(?) edition of Adam's book, which Vinnie made me buy from Quantum Books in Cambridge. I was TIAC customer 640 or so, and they sold me a mostly flat rate (I never used all the hours they charged me a flat rate for) for a static IP address on their backbone. Or what became their backbone, anyway, as I remember an excited customer support person telling me so in a very excited voice some 3 years later when they had about 50,000 customers or so. TIAC has since merged up, but I don't remember who to, as by that time I was long gone... Cheers, RAH --- begin forwarded text

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CDR: Re: why should it be trusted?
by Jordan Dimov 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

>Could a factoring breakthrough happen to convert this exptime problem >to polynomial time? Maybe. I said as much. Is it likely? See >discussions on progress toward proving factoring to be NP-hard (it >hasn't been proved to be such, though it is suspected to be so, i.e., >that there will never be "easy" methods of factoring arbitrary large >numbers). Geee... Since when are problems "proven" to be NP-hard?? Go back to your favorite undergrad institution and take a course on computational complexity again. >You don't appear to be familiar with the literature. I suggest you do >some reading. Yeah, right. And you are familiar.

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CDR: Misantropia
by Ira Lee 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

Do you enjoy music? Do you enjoy culture? Do you like politics? Do you enjoy humor? Do you like Brazil? The big Christmas CD is at: http://www.mp3.com/misantropia I love Misantropia. ... OJ Simpson Some of my best friends are misanthropes. ... Eugenio Pacelli I am not a misanthrope. ... Richard Nixon Misantropia is culture, and culture is glitzy. ... Leonora Helmsley After Auschwitz, Brazil is easy. Josef Mengele Id do it in a minute with a REAL misantropope. ... Madonna Misantropia ist ein gemuchteleffhausen schiessen gräsengescüonckgestaampfer und ein grösser hausengeschanskteskopfen! ... Heinrich Himmler http://www.mp3.com/misantropia The big Xmas CD is at: http://www.mp3.com/misantropia

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CDR: RE: I created the "Al Gore created the Internet" story
by Lucky Green 19 Oct '00

19 Oct '00

David, I am afraid your interpretation of the history of mass-market access to the Internet, as appealing as it may be to those blaming or praising Microsoft for all the ills and good things of the digital universe, is quite incorrect. The Internet did not reach mass market penetration in the 1980's due to a number of reasons, amongst them being that the average consumer didn't have: o a GUI's o cheap (or for that matter any) access to the Internet. o IP to the home. o a graphical web browser. In the very early 90', not even shell accounts were available to the general public. It wasn't until Netcom in the West and Pipeline and PSINet in the East started offering flat-rate shell account access to the lucky few that happened to live in the San Francisco Bay Area or NY that the average person there could get any Internet access (other than email via AOL) at all. But the VT100 renditions of gopher and even the marvelous lynx didn't exactly draw big crowds. Suddenly, the killer app Mosaic came about that was sufficiently compelling to make the consumer want IP to the home. Since Mosaic, unlike lynx, wouldn't work without an IP connection. Meanwhile, SLIP/PPP accounts had just become available at any price. Unfortunately, the USD 60 install and the USD 2 per hour charges proved discouraging to all but a few. And again, unless you happened to live in one of a few lucky areas, you didn't even have this rather pricey option. The drive for Internet access came from Mac users. Few consumers had access to Unix operating system based machines and Windows 3.1 lacked the Internet applications. A host of which was readily available for the Mac and came included on floppy in a book by Adam Engst that the novice Mac Internet user probably wanted to read anyway. Most of them did. Which left a single major barrier: $2/hour. This last and probably most crucial barrier went away literally during the course of a weekend when a Berkeley company called Cyberspace Development announced a revolutionary product: The Internet Adapter (TIA). TIA was a user level program that allowed the user to pull a SLIP connection out of a regular shell account. The program spread like wildfire through the Netcom Macintosh user community. Within that single weekend, dozens of people were using TIA. Everybody said the same thing: "it works"! Many shell providers banned TIA. Fortunately, Netcom did not. As one of TIA's first users that very weekend, I wrote the "TIA mini-FAQ" on the spot, explaining step-by-step in two pages how anybody with a Macintosh can get hooked up with real IP within 30 minutes. At flat-rate shell prices. My mini-FAQ was in stunningly high demand. Faced with this sudden flat-rate competition, within a few months the first SLIP/PPP provider went to a flat-rate model. Then another. Then a third. Providers started sprouting up all over the place. People began using Mosaic, which was quickly replaced by several other browsers that started showing up for the Mac within a couple of months. Most of the improvements in those new Mac browsers were copied by a new startup that was formed soon thereafter. That company was Netscape. The remainder of Internet history I presume most of us are aware of. Enjoy, --Lucky --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> "Anytime you decrypt... its against the law". Jack Valenti, President, Motion Picture Association of America in a sworn deposition, 2000-06-06 > -----Original Message----- > From: cypherpunks(a)openpgp.net [mailto:cypherpunks@openpgp.net]On Behalf > Of David Honig > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 19:46 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Re: I created the "Al Gore created the Internet" story > > > At 03:29 PM 10/18/00 -0400, jim bell wrote: > >I ask this, what I believe would be an excellent idea for an article: Why > >didn't the Internet develop even faster than it actually did? 9600 bps > >modems existed in 1986, not all that far in performance behind > 28Kbps units. > >By 1986, numerous clones of the IBM PC and AT existed. > > Its quite simple. In 1995 MS released a version of Windoze which > included a TCP/IP stack by default. Previously you had to acquire > one and figure out how to install it. While fortunes were made > on this, the collection of routers known as the Net was unavailable > to Joe Sixpack until then. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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CDR: Check this out
by Steve 18 Oct '00

18 Oct '00

HERE IS A PROGRAM NOT TO BE MISSED! It has now been out for 3 weeks, and is making people money faster than any other program on the www for one investment of US $5. The program uses e-gold.com, which is international, so everyone can have a go. Anyone can get an e-gold account. If you don't have one yet go to http://www.e-gold.com/e-gold.asp?cid=185289 "For only investing $5 I can't believe what my e-gold account looks like. I invested the $5 then sent 23 emails to friends and 4 days later I checked my e-gold account to find $245 more in it, after two weeks of being in this program I've made approximately $6300 and all it took was a small investment and about 15 minutes. I am now sending out more emails this is truly a fantastic program". Janine This is a 100% legal service. If you don't believe it check it out for yourself. This program has 5 platforms and moves VERY FAST so if you want money in your e-gold account faster than you can say BOO! give it a try. Don't stop any other program you are doing, because this one only takes about 15 minutes, then you can forget about it, or you can keep sending out more emails for even better results (the more you send out the better response you will get). OK! This is what to do: Follow these steps carefully. STEP 1: If you do not have an e-gold account go to http://www.e-gold.com/e-gold.asp?cid=164513 and then you need to fund your account by going to http://www.goldchanger.com STEP 2: Go into your e-gold account and click on SPEND, spend US $5 to the e-gold account on platform number 1. In the MEMO section type "Quick Gold" STEP 3: Retype the platform list by deleting Platform No. 1 completely, Move the Platform numbers up so that P2 becomes P1, P3 becomes P2 etc and then put your e-gold account number in Platform No.5 (Do not change any other part of this letter as it has been working very well as it is) STEP 4: Email as many copies of the letter as you can. Put Something like "NOT TO BE MISSED!!!" as the subject. STEP 5: Watch your e-gold account grow before your eyes (sometimes it only takes a few hours). PLATFORMS P1: 185289 P2: 148040 P3: 124304 P4: 176593 P5: 177025 Just think, when you get to platform No.1 there could be 1500 people or more putting $5 in your e-gold account. That's $4,500. It's only $5 to enter and that could easily be thrown away on the lotto or poker machines or betting on the horses, at least with this program you know you will easily get back what you put into it. Well, what are you waiting for? ----------------------------------------------- This is not spam. You are receiving this email because we are both members of the same opt-in list. To be removed from this list, reply to this message with 'Remove' in the subject. Thank you.

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CDR: Survey for New Service: Qchex !
by Qchex Research 18 Oct '00

18 Oct '00

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CDR: Phil Agre taking the initiative in creating Al Gore...
by R. A. Hettinga 18 Oct '00

18 Oct '00

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CDR: RE: I created the "Al Gore created the Internet" story
by Trei, Peter 18 Oct '00

18 Oct '00

> ---------- > Declan McCullagh[SMTP:declan@well.com] wrote: > At 12:22 10/18/2000 -0700, jim bell wrote: > >I ask this, what I believe would be an excellent idea for an article: Why > >didn't the Internet develop even faster than it actually did? 9600 bps > >modems existed in 1986, not all that far in performance behind 28Kbps > units. > >By 1986, numerous clones of the IBM PC and AT existed. > > Internet deployment happened at a near-doubling every year starting around > > 1993, coincident with the deployment of the web. > > Most computers in 1986 weren't up to it. Many of us were using Apple II > computers with something like 278x192 resolution (in single hi res mode). > Imagine such a beast doing networking. Ick. > > -Declan > Been there, done that, got the credit. I was one of the original developers of Apple Kermit (in 6502 assembler) at Columbia University. Amongst other things, I added pseudo lowercase support (Apple ]['s had only capital letters). Apple Kermit included a VT52 emulator (on a 24x40 screen :-). If you look in Frank daCruz's "The Kermit Book" you'll find my name buried in the acknowledgments. The Arpanet at 300 baud taught patience..... Actually, by 86, the Mac was out, as was the PC/AT and (I think) the Amiga. These were much more capable machines than the Apple ][. Peter Trei

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CDR: Re: give me
by David Marshall 18 Oct '00

18 Oct '00

Ray Dillinger <bear(a)sonic.net> writes: > On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Roy Silvernail wrote: > > >From: Bernie B. Terrado <bbt(a)fiesta.com.ph> > > >>please give me an encrypted value > >>I need one. I'll use it as a key. > > >033653337357 > >Happy to help! > > Okay, he was asking for it. But I still think > that was excessively cruel. I think it was natural selection.

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CDR: RE: I created the "Al Gore created the Internet" story
by Declan McCullagh 18 Oct '00

18 Oct '00

At 17:44 10/18/2000 -0400, Trei, Peter wrote: >Been there, done that, got the credit. I was one of the original developers >of Apple Kermit (in 6502 assembler) at Columbia University. Amongst other Wow -- I'm impressed. I remember using that. >Actually, by 86, the Mac was out, as was the PC/AT and (I think) the >Amiga. These were much more capable machines than the Apple ][. True, and the IIgs was out in September '97. But it takes a while for folks to upgrade, which is why I said many of us were still using Apple IIs (I also had a Mac+ at the time). -Declan

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