July 1993 - cypherpunks-legacy

encrypted email software
by rtannen＠borland.com 08 Jul '93

08 Jul '93

I've been looking for email software (smtp) that does encryption on the fly with something more secure than DES. I was told that you might be able to help me. Thanks in advance. -- Bob Tannen Borland International 1800 Greenhills Rd. Scotts Valley, CA. 95066 rtannen(a)borland.com RTANNEN @ BORLAND (MHS)

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Re: I need a way to...
by mdavis＠pro-sol.cts.com 08 Jul '93

08 Jul '93

nate(a)VIS.ColoState.EDU (CVL staff member Nate Sammons) writes: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > [useful content deleted] > >+-------------------------------------------------------------------- >| Nate Sammons email: nate(a)VIS.ColoState.Edu >| Colorado State University Computer Visualization Laboratory >| Finger me at nate(a)monet.VIS.ColoState.Edu for my PGP key >| #include <std.disclaimer> >| "I have but one single desire - to tear down the sky" -A. Toomba >+----------------------+ > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.3 > >iQCVAgUBLDxY0tTgi1fmrpxlAQH8ZgP7BHGGnAP2MGLg0pbhJ8HpgU/1t6Ai+ln5 >xzpcsvbG4cJwhKBrX5luVLGmdHSZxdZ3kyv4+G6ypcIb5MZMpiPzbGH7z2kuRc4y >XlHBwrjOlbZDcyupJJUzSi8LuoQmXVu+M1r7EAkiK7JOMgljyOQ//E5ctJbt3qHl >8eA0uJGQFqs= >=4oo0 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- This is my first post here, so go easy if I'm way off base. Why would you want to include a PGP signature (in addition to your net .signature) for a message that is NOT encoded? I've included the pageful of useless text from your message as an example of how wasteful this seems to me. I'm all for personal privacy and message security, but this smacks of either paranoia, showing off, or laziness. Genuinely curious. /\/\ Morgan Davis Group (619/670-0563) / /__\ Internet: mdavis(a)pro-sol.cts.com

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Re: text p.d. cryptosystems for email
by khijol!erc＠apple.com 08 Jul '93

08 Jul '93

> What you want is PGP. Doubtless someone out there is likely to tell > you more about it... I'd be careful with PGP - since the source code is freely available, it'd be simplicity itself to insert one or two lines of C code to snarf away a copy of your cleartext before encryption. Somewhere where ye olde sysadmin could peruse it at his/her leisure... The only way to be sure is to get PGP off the net (from an ftp site out of the control of your admin folks) and build it yourself. -- Ed Carp erc(a)wetware.com 510/659-9560 For anonymous mailers --> anonymus+5300(a)charcoal.com "Disagreements are not meant to be challenges. They are just a different reality." -- Risa D'Angeles

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Test. Sorry.
by nobody＠cicada.berkeley.edu 08 Jul '93

08 Jul '93

This is a test. Apologies for wasted bandwidth. AA01851; Thu, 8 Jul 93 11:40:10 EDT Received: by snark.shearson.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22568; Thu, 8 Jul 93 11:40:08 EDT Message-Id: <9307081540.AA22568(a)snark.shearson.com> To: Rachel Beth Goldstein <rbg(a)panix.com> Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: text p.d. cryptosystems for email In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 08 Jul 1993 11:03:02 EDT." <199307081503.AA28828(a)panix.com> Reply-To: pmetzger(a)lehman.com X-Reposting-Policy: redistribute only with permission Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1993 11:40:08 -0400 From: "Perry E. Metzger" <pmetzger(a)lehman.com> Rachel Beth Goldstein says: > > this is probably a faq, but pardon me, since this is my first mail to > the cypherpunks list. the problem is this: i once worked for a > (nameless) finance company that had pseudo-wizard-dorkos for sa's, and > a gravitationally-challenged boss that routinely read employees' (ie. > *my*) personal email. i knew this because he asked me specific > questions regading the email subjects. both he and the dorkos > relished this ability and probably got some power trip from it. This is likely a violation of federal law, but never mind that. > however, friends told me that (1) crypt is easily compromised, and > (2) not all unix sites have crypt available anyway. are there > text-based alternates to crypt, such that i don't have to use > uuencode or btoa to mail encrypted text? What you want is PGP. Doubtless someone out there is likely to tell you more about it... Perry

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text p.d. cryptosystems for email
by Rachel Beth Goldstein 08 Jul '93

08 Jul '93

this is probably a faq, but pardon me, since this is my first mail to the cypherpunks list. the problem is this: i once worked for a (nameless) finance company that had pseudo-wizard-dorkos for sa's, and a gravitationally-challenged boss that routinely read employees' (ie. *my*) personal email. i knew this because he asked me specific questions regading the email subjects. both he and the dorkos relished this ability and probably got some power trip from it. to prevent further abuse, i resorted to using crypt and uuencode when sending personal email to friends. i found mr. megaton and his pseudo-wizards complaining about this. they were having a heck of a time trying to decrypt my mail, esp. since they could not easily recognize uuencode output. (hence the pseudo-wizard label). however, friends told me that (1) crypt is easily compromised, and (2) not all unix sites have crypt available anyway. are there text-based alternates to crypt, such that i don't have to use uuencode or btoa to mail encrypted text? as an aside, i bought an account from panix.com in order to further safeguard my privacy -- at least from those self-appointed netcops at my previous employer (and my current employer, who i'm pretty sure wont stoop to that level). the former employer left me with a lot of bad feelings towards those in charge of technology. i now send sensitive emails and netnews postings through this account (only). thanks for any reply. /Rache # ====================================================================== # Disclaimer: My bod, my mind, and yes, my opinions are my own.

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DigiCash
by norm＠netcom.com 08 Jul '93

08 Jul '93

If someone is implementing Chaum's DigiCash I have some input. Pleas send me e-mail.

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Crypto Phones...
by Peter Wayner 08 Jul '93

08 Jul '93

I realize that it is quite possible to design a secure phone with a Vocoder, a modem and some cpu power to do the encryption, but I think that an easier solution may be on the horizon. I believe that Microsoft and many others are exploring hooking phones to PCs so people can do things like ship pictures of their weekend fun to friends. When PC's can easily access phone communications, then developing encrypted conversations should be as easy as programming for Windows :-). Another solution may be for the Digital Phone companies to make a phone that is reprogrammable so people can hook up their laptops or run software on the phone itself. This is, I believe, a valid marketting strategy because it could make the phone that more desirable when third parties start offering Sharp Wizard/Newton/EO interfaces so people can hook up their address books to the phones. What do you think, Phil? You said that you had plenty of cycles left over to do DES with the last digital phone you designed. Do you have enough left to bring up Windoze? -Peter

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Motorola
by XXCLARK＠indst.indstate.edu 08 Jul '93

08 Jul '93

>Anyone know anything about Motorola's new phones (models VST 100, >VST 350,VST 550, locally priced at $179, $249 and $299 Canadian)? Secure Clear (tm) Technology is the only... What's in a name? In this case, bullshit. I believe they do a simple frequency inversion, known in the `20's, easily defeated with a $15 kit added to one's scanner or for $5 in parts. Technology of the `20's packaged and named for the `90's. To quote a Canadian general, former commander of UN forces in Bosnia: "The UN doesn't have much in the way of communications. All we have is Motorola [radios]." --------------------------------------------------------------------- internet : xxclark(a)indst.indstate.edu RelayNet (488) Vanilla BITNET: XXCLARK@INDST FidoNet (1:2230/114) Phone: 911 TechNet 11:800/0 We're all Bozos on this bus. ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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stop the feed
by blankmklp＠aol.com 08 Jul '93

08 Jul '93

I was not prepared to receive newsgroup mail on a service like AOL. I just can't deal with it because I can't read it offline and respond with my Point like I do my newsgroups from UUCP. Please turn off the flow; stop sending me this. All I want to know is if this newsgroup can be req from the internet via UUCP. Michael Pearce

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Re: "Let's kill all the lawyers..."
by karn＠qualcomm.com 08 Jul '93

08 Jul '93

Amen! Well spoken, Tim. Last night I saw the Saferstein remarks you mention. I think they hit the local California TV stations before being picked up by CNN. I fully agree that PC is *really* getting out of hand if lawyers are now to be considered one of the downtrodden minority groups. Saferstein doesn't seem to understand the serious role satire plays in actually *preventing* violence in our society. Lawyers and politicians (lawyers being the larval stage of the latter) hold a tremendous amount of power over the rest of us. Satire (including jokes, political cartoons and the like) might not actually do much to lessen that power, but it does give the rest of us a chance to vent some of the resentment that might otherwise build into violence in more people. And of course there is satire's unique selectivity. It's hard to satirize somebody who doesn't deserve it. But a hypocritical lawyer or a politician with a bloated ego... well, I don't think bullets ever get any more magic than this. *They* may still believe in their own overriding self-importance, but thanks to satire, the rest of us don't have to! The real irony of trying to ban "lawyer bashing" is that some of the best (most critical) lawyer jokes are told by the lawyers themselves! So maybe we *should* pass a law against it. What better way to get more lawyers off the street and where they belong? (Short of cloning some more T. Rexes, of course...was there also applause in your theater during that scene?) Phil

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