June 1993 - cypherpunks-legacy

heavy Clipper ammunition
by L. Detweiler 12 Jun '93

12 Jun '93

This will be a short note. The apologists for Clipper on sci.crypt including Sternlight, Denning, Tighe, Goble, and others tend to ultimately fall back on the argument `What's the big deal? Its voluntary!' In some ways, this is their last and most desperate argument. Here are the critical reasons why that is not an acceptable excuse or redeeming feature. 1) Whether Clipper is *currently* voluntary is meaningless given the possibility that it could later become a legislated standard. The argument that it is `voluntary' is worthless unless there is an explicit *guarantee* of such. But, as the original Clipper announcement makes obvious, no such promise is made, apparently because it could not be adhered to. 2) As the CPSR statements point out, NSA has no legal authority to propose a domestic cryptographic standard. (That it pretends that President Clinton and the NIST are the actual purveyors is ugly deceit.) Nor, likely, would any such domestic authority ever be granted to the agency. In some ways, that's the whole point of NIST's cryptographic standards role: that it would be unchained and unmanipulated by NSA. Kammer's meek whimperings in the media prove this is clearly not the case. 3) I don't know who first suggested this, but there is every possibility that the entire plan with Clipper was to make it voluntary *initially* followed by a later legislative enforcement with its proliferation. After all, Clipper would give the NSA the critical `foot in the door' into domestic U.S. cryptography, at which point it would have a toehold to make further encroachments. Hence, the current arguments that `it's only voluntary' are perhaps the ultimate hypocritical lie.

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Re: MAIL: logging that happens on soda
by smb＠research.att.com 12 Jun '93

12 Jun '93

According to Kelly Goen: > > Are you aware of the firewalls mailing list, it could be a HUGE > resource in terms of these questions. As to the Logs... I, for one, am not aware of this mailing list. Could you post info? To subscribe, send mail to majordomo(a)greatcircle.com, with the body of the message saying subscribe firewalls

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test, delete me
by peb＠PROCASE.COM 12 Jun '93

12 Jun '93

This is a test; please delete.

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Re: MAIL: logging that happens on soda
by Peter Shipley 11 Jun '93

11 Jun '93

>> Eric, most of us know this stuff >> you are making yourself look very unix illiterate. > >You're looking a little like a nerdsnob to me. > Gee can't a guy rib a friend in public?

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No Subject
by XXCLARK＠indst.indstate.edu 11 Jun '93

11 Jun '93

According to nobody(a)alumni.cco.caltech.edu: > version 2.2 locks up 8088-based computers. Version 2.1 does not. > There is an unauthorized bug fix version, 2.21. I use 2.2 as it PGP 2.2 runs without a hitch on at least one 10 MHz+ XT box in which the 8088 was replaced with an NEC V-20 and an 8087 co-processor added when new... about six years ago. Probably far more XT boxes running, worldwide, than some are capable of imagining. Key generation on the XT is as exciting... and as fast... as a baseball game, but who generates new keys daily? Encryption speed is more than adequate. Not so high a brag-ability index as its companion box, a 486/66 EISA... but to use that machine for encryption seems an utter waste of processor power. `Course, if one can only afford a 486, I suppose one must make do as best one can...

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List..
by Mr. Paul Danckaert (ACS) 11 Jun '93

11 Jun '93

Please remove me from the list for now.. I'm skipping out for a bit and don't want 10000 messages when I get back.. ;) Thanks.. Paul --- Paul Danckaert - pauld(a)umbc.edu --------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------- Beware of the Leopard -------

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Circ
by Timothy Newsham 11 Jun '93

11 Jun '93

I uploaded the package Circ.tar.Z which is the latest version of my encryption protocol for use on top of IrcII clients, to soda.berkeley.edu in ~ftp/pub/cypherpunks/incoming. I have also sent Eric the description of the package. It has so far not moved to a normal directory (why?). Oh well I was going to wait before announcing it, but you can get it from this directory now. (I am having technical difficulties posting it to comp.sources.misc so far. Still working on it ) Tim

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8088
by Duncan Frissell 11 Jun '93

11 Jun '93

>>>I was not aware that people still used that version of a computer. >>>An 8088???? >>> >>> >>>End Quoted Message----------------------------------------------------- >>> >>>Not everyone can afford to buy a new computer. I myself am using a 286, >>>because though I want to buy a faster computer, I have no spare money. >>> >>>(Kragen Sittler) Additionally, when one is running PGP under Windows the "virtual DOS machine" on which it is running *is* an 8088 (of sorts) and PGP 2.2 will lock it up 2/3 of the time. Duncan Frissell

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someones bouncing
by Timothy Newsham 11 Jun '93

11 Jun '93

got this after my last post. someone is bouncing again. > --- Returned message --- > > Sender: newsham(a)wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu > Received: from orion.crc.monroecc.edu by ihd.compuserve.com (5.67/5.930129sam) > id AA21224; Fri, 11 Jun 93 05:31:53 -0400 > Message-Id: <9306110931.AA21224(a)ihd.compuserve.com> > Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1993 05:23:53 -0400 > From: newsham(a)wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu > To: 71762.2440(a)compuserve.com > Subject: Circ > X-Vms-To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > > ================== RFC 822 Headers ================== > > Return-Path: cypherpunks-request(a)toad.com > Received: by orion.crc.monroecc.edu (UCX V2.0-05) > Fri, 11 Jun 1993 05:23:47 -0400 > Received: from toad.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP > (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AA29927; Fri, 11 Jun 93 05:30:31 -0400 > Received: by toad.com id AA18245; Fri, 11 Jun 93 02:21:30 PDT > Return-Path: <newsham(a)wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu> > Received: from wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu ([128.171.60.1]) by toad.com id AA18240; Fri, 11 Jun 93 02:21:24 PDT > Message-Id: <9306110921.AA18240(a)toad.com> > Received: by wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu > (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA16878; Thu, 10 Jun 93 23:20:53 -1000 > From: Timothy Newsham <newsham(a)wiliki.eng.hawaii.edu> > Subject: Circ > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1993 23:20:52 -1000 (HST) > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Length: 509 > >

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Encrypting the list
by fnerd＠smds.com 11 Jun '93

11 Jun '93

On encrypting the list, mostly I vote NO. The idea of "known non-spies" is, to say the least, a shakey one. Not the kind of concept you base security on. Also not the kind of psychological attitude and atmosphere that I want to be part of. "Are you one of US?" Stewart Brand says in the latest Whole Earth Review, that as soon as you become one of the people who knows the kinds of things that THEY want to know, then how do other people know that YOU aren't one of THEM? We're all prime suspects for being spies. I'd feel the most secure if everybody kept the content (not necessarily their true names) out in the open. Of course there's the fact that we want to be as inviting and easy-to-connect-to as possible to serious newcomers and potential friends. I count true spies and near-spies among the potential friends. I just don't want this to be, or seem like, a clique. It would be nice, however, to set up crypto I/O connection OPTIONS to the list, as an incentive for lazy people like me to figure out how to get PGP and mail filters set up. -fnerd quote me

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