September 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Drunken US Troops Kill Rare Tiger
by Tyler Durden 22 Sep '03

22 Sep '03

Hey... "Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos." -Homer Simpson >From: Sarad AV <jtrjtrjtr2001(a)yahoo.com> >To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com >Subject: Re: Drunken US Troops Kill Rare Tiger >Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 04:37:26 -0700 (PDT) > >hi, > >Vote for some one who promises freedom,democracy and >development. Is that so hard? > >Sarath. > > >--- Tyler Durden <camera_lumina(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > I guess in the end we are responsible for the > > actions our government takes. > > And if we remain ignorant and continue to benefit > > (and do nothing to stop > > it), then we are responsible, particularly when our > > military represents an > > outrageously assymetric invasionary force. > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos without swamping your Inbox. Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es

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Democracy and Freedom
by Eric Cordian 22 Sep '03

22 Sep '03

Freedom is the ability to conduct ones affairs, and pursue ones goals, without interference from government. Democracy is the right of the government to impose the will of 51% of your neighbors on you by force every time the neighbors don't like what you are doing. I am constantly surprised and amazed that there are people on this list who think democracy and freedom are the same thing. The ideal government is dictatorship, under the ideal dictator. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Boston.com / News / Nation / Bush calls Kennedy's Iraq criticism `uncivil' (fwd)
by Jim Choate 22 Sep '03

22 Sep '03

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/09/22/bush_calls_kennedys_i… -- -- God exists because mathematics is consistent, and the Devil exist because we can't prove it. Andre Weil, in H. Eves, Mathematical Circles Adieu ravage(a)ssz.com jchoate(a)open-forge.com www.ssz.com www.open-forge.com

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Re: Duck Freedom Fighter (Terrorists), Euler SUV Graffiti
by Major Variola (ret) 22 Sep '03

22 Sep '03

At 03:05 PM 9/22/03 +0100, ken wrote: >Major Variola (ret.) wrote: >> This is *not* a spoof. > >Why should we think it a spoof? Maybe the USA is just catchiung >up. In my home town, Brighton in Enlgand, people calling >themselves the ALF used to do this sort of thing pretty regularly >in the late 70s and in the 80s. Once they let some cattle free in >the street from a local abattoir. One *might* think it a spoof because the ALFers rescued 4 overweight ducks. Had they been, say, a couple of tracheotomized lab beagles, or something else furry with big brown eyes, the PR would have been better. And letting the cattle roam a street is not going to save them, unless the street is in India. The ducks were taken to vets and will be taken care of. I realize that some UK ALFers are a bit more effective. The local ELFers are at least making more of a financial dent ---toast some West Covina Hummers, recycle the carbon in some San Diego houses under construction. Auntie Arson would be proud. Of course, they get called domestic terrorists, having harmed *zero* animals (incl. simians), while some of our revered congressvermin have killed people. (Its ok, they were just gooks, and they had government permission; well, except for that congressvermin who recently ran down a motorcyclist; and Ted Kennedy of course; and all the indirect violence the congressvermin create.) Its all about as amusing as the ending of "12 monkeys"... --- "all the normalities of the social contract are abandoned in war" Jack Valenti MPAA pres, in LATimes on Kerry's war crimes "If we are thieves, so were the members of the Underground Railroad who freed the slaves of the South; And if we are vandals, so were those who destroyed forever the gas chambers of Buchanwald and Auschwitz." -- X (ALF) "I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat vegetables" -Anon The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want He makes me down to lie Through pastures green He leadeth me the silent waters by. With bright knives He releaseth my soul. He maketh me to hang on hooks in high places. He converteth me to lamb cutlets, For lo, He hath great power, and great hunger.

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RE: Liquidating the Mud People
by Trei, Peter 22 Sep '03

22 Sep '03

> Tyler Durden[SMTP:camera_lumina@hotmail.com] > > Matt Gaylor wrote... > > "That's what free people have and that's one of the reason's I'd never > move to Canada. Naturally my car got searched with a fine toothed comb, > but > I > added I wouldn't be stupid enough to bring my pistol. I spent considerable > effort cleaning my car of any stray ammo, thinking what sort of post 9/11 > hell > I'd me in if they found a .308 or errant 9 mm. Speaking with Canadian > customs > however I discovered that I could have legally imported 5,000 rounds of > ammo. > Apparently people do so for hunting trips." > > I'm wondering if after writing this you started putting 2+2...guns are > legal > in Canada...go see "Bowling for Columbine"...apparently, many Canadians > have > guns, but they just don't use them to kill people very often. > Long weapons can be brought into Canada from the US with just a little paperwork. Handguns are a different story. Peter Trei

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Re: Drunken US Troops Kill Rare Tiger
by Major Variola (ret) 22 Sep '03

22 Sep '03

At 07:18 PM 9/21/03 -0700, Tim May wrote: > >> Give part of germany to the jews, and give palestine back to the arabs > >Give the Jew invaders of Palestine a 10-minute lesson in swimming, hand >them a pair of water wings, and tell them to swim for their lives. > >With luck, only one in 100 will make it to the point where Do-Gooder >rescuer ships make them welfare burdens on America. America shouldn't have been / shouldn't be involved in any of the overseas wars or the resulting injustices. It was a Euro/Brit problem. As far as I can tell, the EuroXian guilt after WWII was shed by sending the Jews to a slice of desert that the Brits had conquered previously. "Two wrongs not making a right" doesn't seem to have occurred to them. Funny how this was never described during my American education. Its quite simple, albeit suppressed. It therefore seems fairer to give a slice of EuroLand to the folks that the Euros felt guilty about mistreating. Its on the same ocean, and there's more water there too. This is also totally kosher historically, the victors of war often repartition the losers' lands (to say nothing of enslaving them..) Its a bummer that this would have to be done 60 years too late, displacing some Euros, but hey, maybe three wrongs make things right? --- Will trade one Vanunu trading card for a Pollard..

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Duck Freedom Fighter (Terrorists), Euler SUV Graffiti
by Major Variola (ret.) 22 Sep '03

22 Sep '03

This is *not* a spoof. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-foiegras18sep18,1,7982772.story?col… Activists Take Ducks From Foie Gras Shed FARMINGTON, Calif. With only the dim light of a half-moon to guide them, four self-proclaimed "duck freedom fighters" made their way early Wednesday across an abandoned field, around dilapidated, foul-smelling chicken pens, and over a narrow passage through a large manure-filled pond. ... Soon, four Peking-Muscovy ducks were free. ------------ http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-hummer18sep18,1,5051975.story?coll=… Man Claims Role in SUV Firebombings Communicating via three e-mails and in two telephone interviews over the last three days, the man provided details of the attack that authorities said were known only by investigators and those involved in the incidents. He refused to give his name, say where he lives or agree to be interviewed in person. The caller said that he and others vandalized and set fire to Hummers and other SUVs Aug. 22 to draw attention to pollution caused by the vehicles. Law enforcement sources, however, said details of the attacks match previously unreported evidence. Details obtained from the man in the telephone interviews include: A math formula Euler's Theorem was spray painted on one of the SUVs as a way of distinguishing the participants' work. "We thought it would be nice to have something a little kooky just in case this happened," he said, adding that he finds the formula "beautiful."

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"Wiretapping has been privatized" [Mexico]
by Major Variola (ret.) 22 Sep '03

22 Sep '03

Mexico Sees Big Brother on the Loose http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-bug22sep22,1,5195976.st…

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Re: Liquidating the Mud People
by Freematt357＠aol.com 22 Sep '03

22 Sep '03

In a message dated 9/21/03 6:55:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, camera_lumina(a)hotmail.com writes: > I'm wondering if after writing this you started putting 2+2...guns are > legal > in Canada...go see "Bowling for Columbine"...apparently, many Canadians have > > guns, but they just don't use them to kill people very often. > Only certain guns are legal for the socialists to the North, basically hunting bolt actions and shotguns. Incidentally such guns are usually many more times more powerful than most pistols. Ohio and Florida are the main source of illegal guns in Canada, so me being a gun owner from Ohio with a house in Florida, I got extra scrutiny. Quite a testament to their databases. One of the women customs agents spoke of their distaste for pistols, so in reply I mentioned that just last week I shot a Para-Ordinance .45 belonging to a buddy. Para-Ordinace is a gun manufactor from Ontario. While in Toronto I read that some employees from Para were caught selling gun parts to whoever wanted them- It appears that gun control doesn't work for them either. You can travel to Canada with a rifle, you just have to declare it along with the serial number which they record and where you're going to hunt or camp or whatnot. Regards, Matt-

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Re: Walker: NAT means you are a consumer, not a peer
by pgut001＠cs.auckland.ac.nz 22 Sep '03

22 Sep '03

Thomas Shaddack <shaddack(a)ns.arachne.cz> writes: >>Also Speak Freely maintenance is ending. > >Not really. The project is moved to Sourceforge. Isn't that synonymous with "Speak Freely maintenance is ending"? Peter :-).

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