December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Meinel news article(hehe) (fwd)
by se7en 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 02:42:48 EST From: J R S <the_incubus(a)juno.com> To: dc-stuff(a)dis.org Subject: Meinel news article(hehe) Routers- Redmond, Wa - It seems that after Microsoft squashes one bug, another shows up. Today, in Happy Hacker Digest, the ueber-cracker Carolyn Meinel found another one. It relies on the fact that NT does not use good, strong encryption. Meinel, a NSA-approached hacker turned media glutton relied on a her mathematical skills to find the weakness. "I was once offered a job by the NSA. I read the book _Applied Cryptography_. I know lots of good math jokes." In actuality, it was her cousin who was offered the job at the NSA, as he could factor numbers in his head. Carolyn's cousin does other things, such as carry on as her in internet IRC 'chat sessions'. "Diffie Hellman is not secure. It has back doors in it. I mean it is suspected to have back doors in it. I mean some guy thinks it might have a back door in it. I wrote about it in my paper. Go read my paper." Unfortunately, Meinel was not able to be questioned as to the name of her paper. With her knowledge of cryptography, Meinel was able to make a 'k-rAd x-pl0it' against the Windows NT operating system. Carolyn found that if one has administrator access to the 'NT box' than she could decrypt the passwords because of NT's lax cryptography. When asked about the possibility that her exploits come out of other areas, such as bugtraq or dcstuff, Meinel replied with "Oh, I'd say I only get %5 from the other lists." When asked again, she came back with "Ok, well about %lk3j3pfv;ldjf08w damn line noise anyways, the point is that I found an x-ploit in NT that should be fixed." Mike Nash, Director of Marketing for WindowsNT thinks differently of though. "Even Ms. Meinel said that if you use 'really big passwords' than decryption is not possible. If you look at the NT manuals, you will notice that they have always cautioned to use really big passwords. Besides, isn't this the same bug that was found last week?" We tried to reach Meinel for comment, but she was unreachable. Getting a straight answer out of her "is like nailing Jello to the wall," as one crypto-hacker put it after talking to her. T.I. Incubus "SunOS, the swiss the_incubus(a)juno.com cheese of UNIX" ...Major

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Re: Assassination Politics on Website
by David E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:06 PM 4/3/97 -0600, Toto wrote: >Jim Bell's "Assassination Politics" is at: >http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/carljohn/ Toto, I'm disappointed. You didn't even point them at http://bureau42.base.org/public/apfull.txt where the (AFAIK) complete AP essays have lived for months. (Note that's the same site that hosts The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre and the current drafts of WebWorld: The True Story of the Internet, modulo the last part of the URL.) dave

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CENSORED CENSORED
by shift.control＠nml.guardian.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In this week's special Censorship Issue Shift Control... "The US is decidedly more robust about censorship. For starters, any art using the American flag is banned automatically (it's in the Constitution, alongside all that stuff about freedom of speech)." - Lisa Jardine on Western "liberalism". "In the movies,as in advertising, cars have played a strategic role sex-wise: when Hollywood rotated the gender wars through 180° in 'Thelma and Louise', it was female possession of the car - and of driving skills - that became the dominant and ultimately liberating motif." - Robin Hunt on Cronenberg's 'Crash'. "Fans of the 'Eastenders' will never forget last year's Blackpool episodes, which reached a riveting climax when Tony, the sexually confused ex-drug dealer, kisses Simon - his pregnant girlfriend's brother. Great stuff, but viewers were actually prevented from witnessing the full smacker. New BBC1 controller Michael Jackson made a last-minute decision to cut the kiss down from a lingering two-second smooch to a measly half-second peck." Paul Robinson on the history of censorship. Plus our new daily film section, a pre-millennial global singalong, Freebee the animated bee, the coolest shoes in the world, free books and CDs, and your last chance to win 200 quid in our fiction competition. It's all waiting, unexpurgated, at http://www.shiftcontrol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ Shift Control is produced by the Guardian's New Media Lab with help from Boddingtons and Stella Artois Dry To unsubscribe from this mailing list send e-mail to shiftcontrol-request(a)nml.guardian.co.uk with the following text in the body of the mail message: unsubscribe

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Re: Feds reading this list, Jim Bell, and threats
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Phil Hallam-Baker's rejoinder to Paul Bradley' defense of AP: Virtually all of Phil's charges against AP apply equally well to state-sponsored killing in the natonal interest, including that arranged by highly educated, cultured, philosophical, nuclear physicists and electrical engineers. That's the issue. Who gets to decide who lives and who dies, and how close the killer is to the slaughter, unprotected by law, by public consensus, by popular will, by apologetics for the security of national interest. Jim Bell is hardly the first to articulate this challenge to the grand tradition of the majestic state and its precursors -- the king, the bandit, the tribal bully, the strong -- all sanctioned beasts taking what their trainers want by force, while being excused and celebrated by fey intellectuals and balladeers of all craven submissive dress. Rushdie, hmm. Phil what mind-swill you elbow-tipping? Is Rushie not closer to Jim Bell than he is to you in challenging the arrogant mullahs of highly sophisticated armed thuggery. Who you shillinging for these days, Crispin's bandits of the NLs?

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by johnp345＠norway-c.it.earthlink.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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CypherPunk Prophets / Voices Barfing In The Wilderness / ***CRYPTO RELATED---> Remailers <---CRYPTO RELATED***
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

rocket3(a)ibm.net wrote: > Hello! I wanted to share something very important. > The God of heaven sent his only Son to this earth > to let us have a way to be right with God, I hate (love!!!) to say, "I told you so.", but... I realize that Tim May is the CypherPunk Prophet, foretelling developments that actually have something remotely to do with crypto, whereas I, on the other hand, am just a Voice Barfing In The Wilderness, drunkenly rambling on about God-knows-what (which, incidentally, reminds me what I meant to say). During the height of the "XXX_Your Biased Term_Here XXX" experiment on the list, my shotgun delusions led me to claim that the "Big $$$" spams were just a forerunner of things to come, with the real fruitcakes coming out of the woodwork when they realized that they could spam us in the name of Jesus, or Free Willy, or their brother, Joe, who needs a new kidney. Sure enough, I got my first 'God and Hellfire' spam today, along with the usual 'Betty Big-Boobs XXX Pics' email. (So I forwarded 'Betty Big-Boobs' to him, in an attempt to slow him down by keeping at least one of his hands busy.) Then there is 'Computer Jesus', whose friends call him 'Mac'... > To: List-Abuse <list-abuse(a)clio.lyris.net> > Subject: Re: Puzzling Response from juno.com > several mailing lists whose sole > charters are evangelizing the Macintosh. Once a message like "Write to > Juno and tell them that they need to support the Mac!" is posted to one > of these lists, the flood of mail from evangelical Mac users can reach > quite a pitch. And I happen to know that Juno was recently targeted for > just such a campaign. I'm still waiting for the one that reads, "Make Big $$$ Using A 'Mac' To Tell People About Jesus's Big Boobs" and I know it is only a matter of time before lonely losers, not content to bother only the CypherPunks, as I do, will be sending out 250,000 missives informing everyone that they are having a "Bad Hair Day". I notice that some of the remailer threads on the list are taking note of the fact that there needs to to be provisions for a variety of remailers capable of doing something more than merely blocking source-specific abuse, which can open a can of worms leading to a remailer resembling CyberSitter. There need to be remailers capable of being easily customized to allow only mail 'to' specific sights, such as Crisis Hotlines, or Whistle Blowers Anonymous, or Send A Congressman To Jail. There is need for a remailer which those with individual needs can easily adapt to meet that need. Then they will be promoting the remailer in a way that works best for them. For instance, there are mental health mailing lists where many people lurk in the background, afraid to participate in discussions because they fear discrimination, etc., if the wrong people find out they are on the list. (I know of one case where an individual lost the security clearance she needed to keep her job, because she was on a mental health support list for her child's benefit, not her own.) This, to me, is a good example of the type of service that some remailer operators are eager to provide, but end up getting fed up or shut down over the bullshit, instead. The more options for instituting use of customized remailers, the more functional they will be to a wide range of people, and the more exposure/use they will get. Majordomo, for instance, provides for such things as disabling the 'who' command, to protect identities on medical related lists, etc., or only allowing subscribers to post. If a list operator can program a remailer to send only to their own list, then they can make it a subscriber and allow people who fear being discovered to post their concerns through it anonymously, and advertise its existence in places where those most likely to need it will find out about the service. A good way to promote remailer use is to allow them to be adapted to purposes that a wider range of people have a specific interest in. "Crisis Line Anonymous Remailer" is instantly recognizable to a certain segment of people as something that applies to them, as is "Government Abuse Anonymous Hotline Remailer". The current remailer threads on the list contain some excellent ideas about how to develop remailers that are something other than generic spammers. I hope that these threads result in new generations and varieties of remailers that will spread their use by virtue of being functional to those who really need them for addressing serious issues in their personal life and in society at large. -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Re: Feds reading this list, Jim Bell, and threats
by Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C. May wrote: > > At 3:17 PM -0800 4/3/97, Anil Das wrote: > Gee. I too wonder about that, since I am pretty > >sure the Feds don't have to time to read the cypherpunks > >list. > > This is simply not true. Various government agencies/employees read the > Cypherpunks list. Absolutely! I know quite a few who do. Before Oaklahoma I spent some time trying to persuade people to take notice of the net.activities of the likes of Ahmed Cosar, an agent of the Turkish secret service who posted inflamatory material about Armenia into various newsgroups under the name Hasan B. Mutlu and Serdar Argic. I'd guess that at this point the FBI has its own version of DejaNews. Its not hard to do analysis of USEnet, a bit of simple graph analysis. The real loons tend to turn up on the net.kooks list quites quickly in any case. > This is not a matter of thinking ourselves self-important; this is just a > simple observation that there aren't a lot of places with more incisive > analysis of issues of importance to these folks. Plus not everyone in the agencies are pro the administration line. I've met plenty of CIA and NSA people who think the GAK idea a pointless and futile waste of time. I suspect that most analysts read c'punks for the same reason I do, to get the widest possible range of views on what the posibilities for the future are. > Political advocacy is one thing, but making threats, even veiled ones, is > another matter. Absolutely, that is why I was keen for people to oppose Bell's views. If his ramblings had gone unchallenged he would now be being presented as a representative of Cypherpunk/ pro-crypto views. Besides anything else Bell was like the party bore with a hobby horse he just has to talk about. I'm somewhat more sensitive than most to advocates of murdering government officials, some of my relatives are in government and have had well publicised assasination attempts against them. I think that Bell's on-list comments may well have been protected speech but I'm not sure about his off list comments. I'm scanning through my old mail files at the moment for missives from Bell re-reading them. I think that Bell's posts were entirely different from Tim's or for that matter almost every other person on the list. Tim demonstrated that a covert information sales organisation was possible with Blacknet but he never advocated setting it up. Indeed part of the point was the ethical responsibilities. Bell on the other hand was likely to respond to any post with his AP piece. I have throughout considered these to be incitement to murder. It seems quite likely that Bell may have made a statement to an IRS official that in the context of his authoring the AP piece may have constituted a threat. If he spouted "Common law court" theories as often to the IRS as he did AP on cypherpunks he would certainly have been marked for scrutiny. Its not hard to connect with his AP piece which has been all over USEnet. According to the story they got it from a copy left behind in Bell's seized Honda. Phill

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Re: Feds reading this list, Jim Bell, and threats
by null＠myemail.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hallam-Baker wrote: > > Timothy C. May wrote: > > Political advocacy is one thing, but making threats, even veiled ones, is > > another matter. > > Absolutely, that is why I was keen for people to oppose Bell's views. Horseshit. Anybody here ever hear of the Boston Tea Party? How about the American Revolution? War of Independece? French Revolution? You know, people who said "Fuck this shit, I've had enough." People who acted in concert to fight injustice and oppression. Perhaps Phill and Tim might want to take afternoon tea together and watch the tanks roll by, since Hitler only wants Austria... Poland...France...Britain........... I haven't noticed anyone on the list suggesting that they are going to wait to buy a gun until they hear a burglar/murderer coming through the window. If we are going to castigate someone for suggesting ways to take action against oppressive taxation, then perhaps we should call the Queen of England, tell her we're sorry for our forefather's error in judgement, and that we'll start flying the Union Jack again. > If his ramblings had gone unchallenged he would now be being > presented as a representative of Cypherpunk/ pro-crypto views. Excuse me? Only people whose views you personally approve of should be presented as a representative of cypherpunk views? I hate to burst your bubble, Phill, but everyone on the list is a representative of cypherpunk views and people outside the have a right to pick and choose the various viewpoints as they see fit. > some of my relatives are in government and have > had well publicised assasination attempts against them. So did Hitler and Mussolini. > I think that Bell's on-list comments may well have been protected > speech but I'm not sure about his off list comments. Then why bring it up? To cast vague aspersions? > I think that Bell's posts were entirely different from Tim's or > for that matter almost every other person on the list. Tim > demonstrated that a covert information sales organisation was > possible with Blacknet but he never advocated setting it up. So you're calling Tim a blowhard who likes to play at anarchy but lacks the balls to propose anything concrete? * {* DisinfoTranslation Technique (c) Greg Broiles} > Indeed part of the point was the ethical responsibilities. Bell > on the other hand was likely to respond to any post with his > AP piece. I have throughout considered these to be incitement to > murder. Your own propensity for murderous thoughts in no way reflects on other individual's interpretations of Jim Bell's intentions. Certainly Jim Bell tended to answer questions such as, "What day is it?" with a speech on AP, but what do hashcash programmers discuss? Hashcash. What does anyone talk about? The things they have an active interest in? So what's your point? > It seems quite likely that Bell may have made a statement to an > IRS official that in the context of his authoring the AP piece > may have constituted a threat. It seems quite likely that Hallam-Baker is inventing facts which don't exist because he is being paid to do so in order to do a character assassination on Jim Bell. Anyone else want to jump in with off-the-wall claims about what is "likely" and what is not? It seems to me that many list members have their heads further up their ass than the Feds, since they don't even view Bell's threats serious enough to even arrest him. They are on a simple fishing expedition to try to find a cause to harrass him into shutting the fuck up. A *true fact* (rather than vague bullshit about what is "likely") is that John Perry's remailer *was* used to send direct threats to a government official. So, Tim and Phill, which one of you wants to step up to the plate and be the first one to attempt to ostracize him so that his views about the need for anonymous communications will not be taken as representative of the cypherpunks views? Or is Perry's implementation of a system that can be abused to be allowed while Bell's theoretical design of a system to fight oppression is not to be allowed? Does the government wait until the enemies missles are launched to start preparing plans for defence and counter-attack? It is outright riduclous to suggest that individuals and groups should act otherwise, and contrary to their own self-interest. Government and corporate entities are regularly castigated on the cypherpunks list as thugs who must be dealt with in one manner or another. Various levels of action are suggested in relation to the severity of the infringement on our interests. Jim Bell's pet project was to work on a solution for problems which reached the point of requiring the ultimate action--total removal of the threat. Each cypherpunk had his or her own views of what constituted a problem of that magnitude. To suggest that any cypherpunk should not be allowed to express his or her opinion in regard to who his solution might apply to, and why, is not much different than saying that none of our discussions should address specific issues, only generalities. This is akin to saying that we cannot mention older people, or sick people, when discussing euthanasia. Excuse me, but someone is shooting at me. I need to go buy a gun... TruthMonger ************************************************************************ This Anonymous email has been relayed by http://www.MyEmail.net/ MyEmail.Net is a free anonymous mailing service. No records indicating the identity of person(s) who originated this message are retrieved electronically, or as a requirement to submit. 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Hallam-Baker messes himself.
by null＠myemail.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hallam-Baker, pissing all over his own train of logic, wrote: > It is because Bell's scheme is entirely preposterous that Digital > cash is possible. There is simply no way an AP contract could be > enforced. > No country could allow such a betting pool to operate from its soil, > nor any other such cover. > > I will not only refuse to support Bell, I'll testify against him in > court if asked. What are you going to testify to? To Bell's scheme not being a threat to anybody because it would never work? That it is nothing more than a theoretical exercise which does not present a danger to a single soul? That it is preposterous of the government to prosecute someone on the basis of a pie-in-the-sky, preposterous idea? I'm certain the government is anxiously awaiting your testimony, as well as that of a number of others on the list who seem to think that Jim Bell is such a powerful and evil force that his mere thoughts and speculations are an overwhelming threat to civilization as we know it. Everyone who thinks they can implement Jim Bell's AP system in the near future, raise both hands. Now bend over backwards, placing your head near your rectum. Now... TruthMonger ************************************************************************ This Anonymous email has been relayed by http://www.MyEmail.net/ MyEmail.Net is a free anonymous mailing service. No records indicating the identity of person(s) who originated this message are retrieved electronically, or as a requirement to submit. Your email address can be blocked to prevent further contact from this service, please refer to the URL above for instructions on how to do so. ************************************************************************

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Re: Jim Bell raid
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I asked Jim last night if he wanted any of the documents associated with the raid published and he said not yet: That the local papers were publishing selected parts to inflame reader lust. That the feds had set it all in motion with lurid affidavits, with press invitation, with paraded troops and battle armaments to fit the show and tell tinhorn war gamers seeking more funding -- tax time at hand. He seems bemused that his script was followed so dutifully for Act 1. And awaits the next acts, instigated not only by his taunts but by the national campaign to divert attention from TLA/LEA snafus. In this spirit, for a truly homicidal, bloodstirring script read the National Defense Authorization Act for 1998: http://jya.com/nda98.txt Now that's Assassination Politics to feed the lust of the best and brightest of all nations, if not that of a few of the overmuch AP protestors here. Jim's telephone number: 1-360-686-3911 For a reality check compare Jim to the world's presidents, parliaments, high-tech industrialists, spies and media infowar gamers trying valiantly to alarm the Disney-narcotized citizenry.

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