January 2002 - cypherpunks-legacy

What's in Agent F's pants?
by An Metet 03 Jan '02

03 Jan '02

At 06:05 PM 1/3/02 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> At 03:27 PM 1/2/02 -0500, Faustine wrote: >> >Concealed carry it the only way to go, after I iron all the permits out. >> >> What state do you live in? > > Hoboy! Want to know her address as well? Not at all. But depending on the State, County in which you live in the USofA, CCW means you are an oligarch; in others it means you have a constitution-respecting local law enforcement agency. I know SoCal Coasters who have bought property to the east so that they can obtain a CCW.

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explicit govt monopoly rent-seeking (law abuse)
by Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer 03 Jan '02

03 Jan '02

The problem dates from the early 1930s, when utility companies delivered their bills by mailbox through their own employees out reading meters. The Postal Service saw a huge drop in revenue and decided to act. Enforcement became even more important in 1970, Dalton wrote, when Congress mandated that the Postal Service be self-sustaining. >From http://latimes.com/editions/orange/la-000000534jan03.story?coll=la%2Deditio… Postal Service Delivers Stern Warning on Mailbox Misuse Enforcement: Agency tells Orange mobile home park residents to stop using receptacles to send notices, rent bills, newsletters sans postage. ..... Q: When government acts like this how are they different from a gang? A: Both rule by violence and terror, but a gang claims no moral authority.

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Ayn Rand meets Osama Bin Laden
by measl＠mfn.org 03 Jan '02

03 Jan '02

From: http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/01/02/inv.moussaoui.arraignment/index.html "In the name of Allah, I do not have anything to plea. I enter no plea," Moussaoui told Brinkema. Since the first reports indicate the kind of job many were expecting, now is as good a time as any to ask the same question I asked of the Timothy McVeigh trials: If he is guilty, why do we have to railroad him? -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin(a)mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Faustine's paranoia index
by faustine.＠hushmail.com 03 Jan '02

03 Jan '02

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Tim wrote: >Anybody who bothers with this kind of stuff needs to see a psychiatrist. You know, you might just have a point... >(My university encouraged all students to take the MMPI. I saw the >"recommended careers" it listed for me and decided it was as I >suspected, from the types of questions, just plain voodoo bullshit. That >was the last such test I took, more than 30 years ago.) Voodoo bullshit to be sure, but I meant the big one, not their "career planning" subtest: "The Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory-2 (MMPI-2) instrument, the restandardized version of the original MMPI instrument, is an empirically- based assessment of adult psychopathology used by clinicians to assist with the diagnosis of mental disorders and the selection of appropriate treatment. Ten years ago, the standard settings in which psychologists practiced were offices, clinics, hospitals, and schools. Today, more and more, clinicians find themselves in the nation's courts, prisons, businesses, government agencies, and other venues. Throughout the transition, the MMPI-2 test maintained its position as the standard in psychological assessment and moved easily into these new areas with setting-specific reports." If you can ever imagine yourself in a situation where it might be to your advantage to manipulate your test results to seem a little less antisocial or whatever, getting familiar with how they control for deception and which questions map to which personality "disorders" could come in quite handy. The idea of pigeonholing people this way is morally repugnant: do pardon me for not feeling like playing along. Personally, I've never had to take it, but couldn't resist the challenge of figuring out how to beat it. And practicing until I got every goddamn scale to come out the way I wanted it to. Now I can avoid being labeled... 4 Pd - Psychopathic Deviate ANG2 - Anger: Irritability CYN1 - Cynicism: Misanthropic Beliefs ASP1 - Antisocial Practices: Antisocial Attitudes TPA1 - Type A: Impatience TPA2 - Type A: Competitive Drive FAM2 - Family Problems: Familial Alienation TRT2 - Negative Treatment Indicators: Inability to Disclose O-H - Overcontrolled Hostility and come out smelling like a rose with... S1 - Beliefs in Human Goodness S2 - Serenity S3 - Contentment with Life LOL! ~Faustine. *** He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. - --Thomas Paine -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Hush 2.1 Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com wl4EARECAB4FAjw1ALYXHGZhdXN0aW5lLkBodXNobWFpbC5jb20ACgkQGwpHwwWoj8WL SACgiTNPgB8DQ/CZ4VIdpWASR2K4P5QAoLJHwsQOnUOyqKu1/B4FjebsC58N =xkYF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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What is a 'right'?
by Jim Choate 03 Jan '02

03 Jan '02

A 'right' is an activity that any individual could engage in (at least in principle) while 'in a state of nature'. So what does 'in a state of nature' imply? It implies human activity a priori to the concept of 'civilization'. What are the limits of such activities? Isolation, sharing, and force. The concept of 'force' is required because not all individuals want to share. Isolation allows an individual to engage in any desired activity for the simple reason there is no potential interference. Sharing, such as in a family group, such that resources are distributed but at the same time have more persons active in its 'management' (I draw a distinction here becuase of such things as Clovis Point behaviour). And finaly, force. The ability of one individual to significantly impact anothers physical being directly. Why do people institute 'civilization'? Because we can't live in isolation. There are groups greater than families. And finaly, because not all individuals will use force in the same manner. The concept of 'right' is intimate and irremovable from the concept of 'coercion through physical force'. Why? Because one can't have a 'right' unless one also has the ability to use force to defend it. What does it take to use 'force'? Existance and motivation/desire, irrespective of whether we talk of 'a state of nature' or 'civilization'. One can not remove the concept of 'right' from 'force'. They are not seperate concepts or entities (similar to momentum). The only way to mitigate the use of 'force' is to mitigate 'desire'. The only way to mitigate 'desire' is to use 'force' (or at least make it clear that if a behaviour is engaged in force will ensue). To do this we institute a (hopefully) common system whereby the inter play between 'force' and 'desire' are hopefully balanced. Note that there is nothing in nature which implies that force and desire will be mitigated in and of themselves (so much for CACL philosophy). In fact, if one looks at game theory it becomes abundently clear, even given the utility of game theoretic concepts, that the best strategy is not to play by the rules given a choice (this helps explain why non-sentient biological activity conforms to game theory in many cases). This of course destroys any concept of 'utopia' where everyone plays by the same rules all the time without exception. -- ____________________________________________________________________ Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Faustine's paranoia index
by Anonymous 03 Jan '02

03 Jan '02

At 03:27 PM 1/2/02 -0500, Faustine wrote: >Concealed carry it the only way to go, after I iron all the permits out. What state do you live in? >I'm a firm believer in mobile preparedeness: in fact, every day I never leave >home without carrying a complete BOB concealed in a Kate Spade bag. And I mean >fucking EVERYTHING, the true survivalist nutcase works: first aid kit, emergency >rations, flashlight, space blanket, poncho liner, magnesium fire starter, water >purifying tabs, mini-entrenching tool, Swiss army knife, NIOSH-95 filter mask, >nitrile gloves, monocular, grundig shortwave, passport, etc etc. (Full contents >available on request, it would take awhile!) Your claimed paranoia level goes is beyond most former Intel physicists'. Have you discussed this with your psychiatrist/handlers?

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Saudi Violence in the US
by Khoder bin Hakkin 03 Jan '02

03 Jan '02

Saudi Princess Charged With Beating ORLANDO, Fla. A Saudi princess has been charged with beating her servant and pushing her down a flight of stairs. Princess Buniah al-Saud, the niece of King Fahd of Saudi Arabia, was held without bond at the Orange County Jail for allegedly beating Memet Ismiyati, her Indonesian maid. Al-Saud, 41, could get 15 years in prison if convicted of felony aggravated battery. Neighbors called 911 Friday after Ismiyati, 36, ran crying from the apartment she shared with the princess. She told deputies al-Saud beat her, hit her head against a wall and pushed her down a flight of stairs, leaving her unable to walk. "When we talked to her (Ismiyati) through an Indonesian interpreter and saw the extent of her injuries, we upgraded the charges to a felony," said Orange County Undersheriff Malone Stewart. Ismiyati was treated at a hospital and released. When deputies went to the princess' apartment Friday, she denied striking or pushing the maid, the Orlando Sentinel reported in Tuesday's editions. The Saudi Embassy in Washington, D.C., said the princess had diplomatic immunity. But the Immigration and Naturalization Service said al-Saud failed to follow proper procedures by not notifying them of her itinerary in America, thereby leaving her without diplomatic immunity. The princess has been living in Orlando while studying English at the University of Central Florida. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A58468-2001Dec18.html

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Re: : Re: How do you sleep?,
by mattd 03 Jan '02

03 Jan '02

>>Libertarians like the folks at the Cato Institute are hardly conservatives.<< My beef with them is the money they take to lie.Ive given some examples in the last few days that you may have been to busy to respond to.Many so called 'libertarians' are social conservatives.See...http://ri.xu.org/arbalest/alembic2c.html >>Getting rid of laws prohibiting prostitution, gambling, obscenity, indecency, prostitution -- these are conservative positions? << There are 2 prostitutions? The worst prostitution is not bodily,its taking money to tell lies.The kind jamesd tells.The kind the cato institute retails and many intelligent people such as you get suckered by.Larry flynts probably done a million times more than the cato shills ever did in these areas.Plus they are practically unenforcable online.Window dressing. You > are either with us or with them.<me.> >>Yeah, you and George W. Bush. Good example to follow.<< Polarisation is a nasty business,yet sometimes shit happens.This list may have to choose soon between use of the words anarchy and punk and some others more in line with the circle of eunuchs approach of the CALCers. Lenin stole anarchist slogans and rode them to absolute power,a dictatorial murderous terror state,based on lies,no anarchist can ever let that happen again.Will ever let happen again.And getting back to your libby pals... http://world.std.com/~mhuben/cato.html where theres smoke...

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Faustine's paranoia index
by faustine.＠hushmail.com 03 Jan '02

03 Jan '02

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Someone sufficiently paranoid to use a remailer wrote: At 03:27 PM 1/2/02 -0500, Faustine wrote: >Concealed carry is the only way to go, after I iron all the permits out. >>What state do you live in? One would think the more interesting question for you to ask is why I chose the word permit-->S<--. Pick up the pace, Sherlock. >I'm a firm believer in mobile preparedness: in fact, every day I never >leave home without carrying a complete BOB concealed in a Kate Spade >bag. And I mean fucking EVERYTHING, the true survivalist nutcase >works: first aid kit, emergency rations, flashlight, space blanket, >poncho liner, magnesium fire starter, water purifying tabs, mini- >entrenching tool, Swiss army knife, NIOSH-95 filter mask, nitrile >gloves, monocular, grundig shortwave, passport, etc etc. (Full >contents available on request, it would take awhile!) >>Your claimed paranoia level goes beyond most former Intel physicists'. But what's so amusing is how incredibly well I hide it. Of course, the most obvious thing to do would be to give you the standard-issue sermon about what happened to people trapped in various historical crises when they failed to prepare ahead of time, etc. etc. Or give you examples of the many times I've actually used the contents of my bag to help others--you'd probably be surprised. But since I'm sure you don't want to hear it, I might as well cede the point that any "normal" person is going to think carrying a portable BOB on my person wherever I go is eccentric to the point of being downright nutty. Given that you'd never suspect it of me unless I told you-and you'd never notice anything out of the ordinary even if you were standing right next to me--I suppose there's nothing left to do but for both of us to feel smug at each other. Though you might be interested to note that my employer was the one who issued all its analysts the NIOSH-95 filter mask and nitrile gloves. And the first day I got here, I found on my desk a gift basket containing a black fanny pack with-let me get it out of my file cabinet and see here-a "one person three day survival kit"; quoting the tag on the side: "food rations, water pouches, flashlight, waterproof blanket, radio and batteries, and first aid supplies." Not everyone is as scornful of being prepared as you are. >>Have you discussed this with your psychiatrist/handlers? Not on your life, baby. But given that I know the L, F, Pd and Pa scales of the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory like the back of my hand, it's something of a moot point. A little recommended reading you might find relevant: Cleckley, Hervey (1903-1984): The Mask of Sanity, Fifth Edition, 1988. Hope that helps! Cordially, ~Faustine. *** He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. - --Thomas Paine -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Hush 2.1 Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com wl4EARECAB4FAjw03VoXHGZhdXN0aW5lLkBodXNobWFpbC5jb20ACgkQGwpHwwWoj8VP 8QCdH0TTTdB+eL8w2JvHiLrweooh7lQAoKETJpsJoDe2GNr+L/E9Reu/n89B =siKw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Cypherpunk Ban
by Anonymous 03 Jan '02

03 Jan '02

I am seriously considering to fund printing of inet-one digest in local newspaper/rag that CJ can pick up. On a weekly basis. I'd like to see if pigs will dare fuck him for reading newspapers. Any pointers to local papers appreciated.

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