July 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: Most of a nation on probation?
by Sandy Sandfort 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

Sampo Syreeni wrote: > The difference is that most of > the people around here seem to > be arguing from the societal > point of view. (Cheap) parole, > even if sheer bliss for the > felon, is a bad thing when > thought about with due respect > to what it does to whole > communities. Yes, that's correct. I am arguing against that collectivist viewpoint. It's the individual's suffering I'm most concerned with. I think it would be great to reform the whole shebang; let's do it, but let's not put the cart before the horse and harm the individual "for the greater good." Yeah, laws are tough to repeal, but that's where our efforts need to be placed, not on some indirect, "we'll really make it costly for the state" approach. Of course, as Cypherpunks we REALLY should be thinking how to make the laws irrelevant. And for what it's worth, that comes easier when we are dealing with someone who is relatively freer due to being on parole. Now let's put some Cypherpunk brain power towards those tattletale ankle transponders... S a n d y

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RE: Meatspace anonymity manual
by Aimee Farr 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

> Of course, this mechanism is very weak in the face of a > reputation attack - an Agent Provocateur or a whole bloc > of APs could easily destroy the credibility of the the > blackbloc technique. > > > Peter Trei Duh. :) No, my reference to the Lone Ranger mask was in regard to the fact it wasn't really effective concealment. Some of these groups have attracted the attention of sophisticated *private* interests. ~Aimee

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Colorado to use facial recognition
by George＠Orwellian.Org 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

In a slightly confused report, HNN said the state of Colorado would start using facial recognition software in a year. "Mainly to prevent duplicate driver's license issuances." "Where the cameras will be placed is secret." Well, if you were going to check for license dups, you'd use it in the DMV after taking the picture of the person wanting a license. If anyone finds a less confused report on this, please post. ---- (As previously posted to the list.) http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,28793,00.html # # Man Gets Ten Years in Prison for Pornographic Diary Entries # # An Ohio man has been sentenced to 10 years in prison after writing # fictitious stories about torturing and sexually abusing young # children. [snip] # # Still, Dalton was guilty of pandering obscenity because he "did # create, reproduce or publish any obscene material that has a # minor as one of its participants or portrayed observers," the # indictment said. # # "Even without passing it on to anyone else, he committed a # felony," Domis said. # # Franklin County Prosecutor Ron O'Brien called the case a # "breakthrough" in the battle against child pornography. Well, isn't that special. Thought crime in the first degree. Use google to search for: "erotic adventures of the brady bunch" 15 The Erotic Adventures of the Brady Bunch 16 [snip of 62 lines] 18 19 Bobby and Cindy were 14. While both had masturbated, neither was 20 really sure what sex was all about. That's why they were hiding in the 21 closet in Marcia's room. They had watched everything Greg and Marcia 22 had done, and were more than ready to give it a try. Bobby's almost 23 hairless cock had gotten hard before Greg had even mounted Marcia, and 24 it was still hard. Cindy's virgin pussy was so wet her panties were 25 soaked. As soon as Marcia and Greg were gone, they rushed out of the 26 closet and fell onto the bed. They had stripped while they watched, 27 but were too afraid of making noise to do anything. 28 29 Bobby pulled Cindy close, kissed her eyes and mouth the way he'd seen 30 Greg kiss Marcia. He moved down to Cindy's tiny, barely bulging 31 titties and began to lick and suck the nipples. They hardened even 32 more, which surprised him. He hadn't known that would happen. 33 34 Cindy held Bobby's cock gently. It was her first, and she wasn't sure 35 it wouldn't break. Bobby covered her hand with his and squeezed, then 36 stroked his shaft, showing her how to jack his dick. She stroked it a 37 few times on her own, liking the way it felt in her hand. 38 39 They skipped the rest of the foreplay they had seen. Both were eager 40 to fuck. But Cindy was a virgin, and they both knew a girls first fuck 41 could be painful. Cindy liked Bobby, trusted him, wanted him to be her 42 first. She lay on her back, her face framed by blond curls, her 43 lightly haired snatch a slightly darker blonde. She spread her legs 44 wide, fingered herself for a moment, letting Bobby look at her 45 pussy. Bobby stretched out above her, his knees between her legs, his 46 arms supporting his weight, his young, hard cock touching her 47 belly. Cindy took hold of his tool, guided it to her cunt, helped him 48 enter her. He entered slowly, stopping when Cindy flinched. He started 49 to backup, not wanting to hurt her. She grabbed his ass with both 50 hands, pulled him hard towards herself, felt a tearing pain in her 51 cunt. She buried her face in his shoulder, stifling a scream. She 52 told him not to move, told him that she had been told the pain would 53 go away in a few minutes. 54 [snip of 705 lines] And that's Google's WWW search. Then there's their Usenet search...

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Sony's PlayStation 2: The 'Ultimate Weapon'?
by Jon Beets 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

I thought this was interesting... Jon Beets Pacer Communications

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RE: Most of a nation on probation?
by Sandy Sandfort 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

Sampo Syreeni > But just as Tim argues, the latter > always involves cost-effectiveness > too...There should always be a > sufficient, predictable cost > associated with putting people > away to guard against > criminalization for convenience, > prudence and political gain only. I'm sure that "cost-effectiveness" has a role to play here. I just don't agree that the cost savings of parole are all that big a factor. The US has more prisoners per capital than just about anyone (I think the US is surpassed by Russia and maybe South Africa). So we've already made the decision that we can afford to lock up a lot of people. Also, the assumption that locking up more people comes at some sort of linear increase in costs. One of the simplest answers is to just overcrowd the facilities "we" already have. No, I think Tim and Sampo have the cart before the horse. We have the criminal laws we have because that feeds the government, not because we save so much with parole. Eliminating parole by overcrowding or by building still more prisons would increase, not decrease human suffering. Honestly, would you rather wear a ankle transponder or be Bruno's bitch? S a n d y

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Thought-A-Day
by Fountain Of Joy 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

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ScienceNet - Do identical twins have identical fingerprints ?
by Jim Choate 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

http://www.sciencenet.org.uk/database/Biology/9609/b00598d.html -- -- ____________________________________________________________________ Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent. Ludwig Wittgenstein The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Meatspace anonymity manual
by Trei, Peter 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

> From: Aimee Farr[SMTP:aimee.farr@pobox.com] > > > The Lone Ranger also wore a black mask. He also rode the same horse, hung > around the same Indian, and manifested repetitive behavior patterns. I > don't > think he really fooled anybody. > > The FBI and PO-lice aren't the only ones interested in anarchists. > > ~Aimee > Duh. The Lone Ranger was interested in establishing an individual, persistant nym, unlinked a known person, not total anonymity. These 'blackbloc' vandals want to create confusion about which one of them commits which crime, thus using their Constitutional protections to protect them from successful prosecution. In a similar move, cops cover up their badge numbers when they plan to violate people's civil rights. Of course, this mechanism is very weak in the face of a reputation attack - an Agent Provocateur or a whole bloc of APs could easily destroy the credibility of the the blackbloc technique. Different goals, different methods. Peter Trei

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RE: [Pigdog] Freenet v. Bunkernet (Was: [EWAR] Top firms retreat intobunker toward off anarchists (fwd)
by Trei, Peter 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

> Eugene Leitl[SMTP:Eugene.Leitl@lrz.uni-muenchen.de] [...] > Some of Britain's biggest companies are running their internet > operations > on systems installed in a 300ft-deep nuclear blast-proof bunker to protect > customers from violent anti-capitalist campaigners. [much snippage] I met some of these guys at the RSA conference, and suggested that they set up live webcams on all their enterances, so colo customers could respond to an illegal raid in progress. I wonder if they did it - their site [www.thebunker.com] appears unavailable at the moment. Peter

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RE: Kyllo: Taking the 5th on the 4th
by Trei, Peter 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

> From: Jim Choate[SMTP:ravage@ssz.com] > > > On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Tim May wrote: > > > The whole issue of "going masked" is a murky one, legally. > > No, it isn't. While police certainly need 'probably cause' to institute a > search there are NO (zero, nadah, nil, nul, none) requirements on citizens > to wear any particular part or type of clothing (or not wear it even). Any > such law would violate the 1st. > > James Choate > ---------------- Of course, Choate fails to check facts.... -------------------------------- City of Cincinnati section 910-17. "Wearing of masks or hoods" no person shall appear on any public way, public property or any place open to view by the general public wearing a mask, hood, regalia, paraphernalia or other device which partially or completely covers the face with purpose to conceal the identity of the wearer. The provisions of this section shall not apply to: (1) a person wearing a traditional holiday costume on the occasion of the holiday; (2) a person lawfully engaged in trade or employment or in a sporting activity where a mask is worn for the purpose of ensuring the physical safety of the wearer, or because of the nature of the occupation, trade, or profession or sporting activity. (3) A person using a mask in a theatrical production or at masquerade balls or for other entertainment purposes; (4) a person wearing a gas or medical mask as prescribed for emergencies or by current medical regulations. Whoever violates this section is guilty of wearing a mask or hood in public, a misdemeanor of the fourth degree. ------------------------ Whether or not Jim thinks this is constitutional (and I and many others would agree that it is not), it is the law of the land and a requirement, at least in Cinicinnati. Peter Trei

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