October 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Google and the Net
by Tim May 09 Oct '01

09 Oct '01

On Tuesday, October 9, 2001, at 10:40 AM, Trei, Peter wrote: >> Steve Mynott[SMTP:steve@tightrope.demon.co.uk] wrote: >> Every thought how bad the net would be if google went away? >> > Actually, us old timers remember what it was like before google, > or even altavista (the first real search engine). Heck, some of us > remember what it was like before Usenet... > > In the early days of the web, you would start from some site which > was vaguely associated with your topic, and follow links using a > hill-climbing search pattern. It was slow, and kind of hit-or-miss. > However, unlike today, many site maintainers really tried to maintain > up-to-date, useful, and annotated lists of links to related sites. Yahoo > started as just such a site, aglommerating link lists for many topics. > (The web was a lot smaller in those days). > > Google is much goodness... Hypertext in general is doubleplus good. I remember Gopher, Archie, and all of those crufty tools. I never much used them. A friend did, and he would show me stacks of printouts from obscure sites he'd found and ftp'ed. I had a _very_ primitive access to the ARPANet in 1972-3, using a weird storage tube display in the Chemistry building at UCSB. (One of the first four nodes, courtesy of folks like Glenn Culler, who did a lot of engineering work on the node processors. He had a company called "Culler-Fried" and also "Culler-Harrison." Early floating-point processors. One of his companies evolved into Floating Point Systems, in Beaverton, OR, and then this was eventually merged into Cray Research, and thence into Sun or SGI (I forget who got which pieces). I know that Sun's very successful multi-CPU offerings are largely based on the SPARC arrays done at FPS. So, from Culler to AP-120B to Cray to Sun in a mere 30 years!) Upon entering Intel, we had a lot of internal computer resources, but little or no access to ARPANet and then Internet. This changed around 1980 for some groups, with strict controls, and changed again in the mid-80s. But even now there are obvious firewalls, formal and informal. My first real Usenet account was gotten in 1988, through Portal Communications. One of the first to offer accounts to "civilians." (Part of the reworking/renaming/refocussing of the Net, but even then there was yammering that mentioning a product name violated the "no commercial use" rules.) A major inflection point came in 1994-95, with the wide availability of browsers. Then Alta Vista and DejaNews. Now Google reigns supreme. It'll be interesting to see how long Google survives. --Tim May, Occupied America "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759.

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Detroit Free Press
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 09 Oct '01

09 Oct '01

http://www.detroitfreepress.com/news/nw/terror2001/safe9_20011009.htm >SECURITY INCREASES: U.S. on guard at home > >Safety now measured by the things you see, and things you don't > >October 9, 2001 > >BY DAVID ZEMAN, JIM SCHAEFER AND TAMARA AUDI > This shithead collective makes some very casual statements : > Say good-bye to the relative anonymity of e-mail. > > Say hello to government "filtering" of suspicious messages. > > Say good-bye to the traditional photo identification at work. > > Say hello to fingerprint IDs. > > Government officials and civil libertarians are also > debating the merits of new computer software that is > being marketed for terrorist profiling. The software, > by Narus Inc. of Palo Alto, Calif., would allow the > government to monitor patterns of e-mail, Web site > usage and Internet-based telephone calls to flush out > potential evildoers. > It's just amazing how quickly people embrace this sheiss without questioning it. Nobody wants to think about what will make us safer, they just leap blindly towards technology and government. It's a sort of long lost father figure problem - save me daddy. It's a sign of how weak our society really is. Maybe the bad guys are not so far off the mark. I'm ashamed by the weakness of our politicians, our journalists and all too many of my "fellow" citizens. Mike

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RE: al Qaeda website?
by Trei, Peter 09 Oct '01

09 Oct '01

> Steve Mynott[SMTP:steve@tightrope.demon.co.uk] wrote: > Every thought how bad the net would be if google went away? > Actually, us old timers remember what it was like before google, or even altavista (the first real search engine). Heck, some of us remember what it was like before Usenet... In the early days of the web, you would start from some site which was vaguely associated with your topic, and follow links using a hill-climbing search pattern. It was slow, and kind of hit-or-miss. However, unlike today, many site maintainers really tried to maintain up-to-date, useful, and annotated lists of links to related sites. Yahoo started as just such a site, aglommerating link lists for many topics. (The web was a lot smaller in those days). Google is much goodness... Peter Trei

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09 Oct '01

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09 Oct '01

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re: America needs therapy
by Steve Schear 09 Oct '01

09 Oct '01

The Day The World Came To Its Senses? By Bill Moore This week, Phil Watts, the chairman of Royal Dutch Shell, gave a remarkable speech in New York, just three weeks after the tragedy of September 11th. Accustomed to making and approving business decisions and technology plans that extend decades into the future, Watts told an audience assembled under the auspices of the United Nations Development Program, that Shell, one of the largest oil companies in the world, was preparing for the "End of the Hydrocarbon Age." Read more at<http://evworld.com/databases/storybuilder.cfm?storyid=245>

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Good 802.11b How-To
by Steve Schear 09 Oct '01

09 Oct '01

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MOTORCYCLE DEALERS: Your Customers are Asking for Peel & Stick Bullet Holes...
by Hardley Dangerous Illusions 09 Oct '01

09 Oct '01

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Re: Let's Attack The Irish White Christian Terroroists...
by Steve Mynott 09 Oct '01

09 Oct '01

Ken Brown <k.brown(a)ccs.bbk.ac.uk> writes: > In general the provisional IRA (*not* the same people as the "real IRA", > who of course aren't) have given warnings when bombing what they would > regard as "civilian" targets, though not against the British military or > people they see as "collaborators" in Ireland. There have been 3 > explosions near buildings I've worked in, and in each case there were > police and firefighters there already. The Omagh business was quite > different and done by different people. It's the same people. The former quartermaster of PIRA Mickey McKevitt is currently the RIRA leader. PIRA also has had a history of fake and hoax warnings as well as a lack of central control of their "Active Service Units". "Most Real IRA members are former IRA" and "suspected of receiving funds from sympathizers in the United States." <http://web.nps.navy.mil/~library/tgp/rira.htm> -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott steve(a)tightrope.demon.co.uk the surest protection against temptation is cowardice. -- mark twain

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Re: Register on Anderson: "Times misquoted me - crypto expert"
by Steve Mynott 09 Oct '01

09 Oct '01

Ken Brown <k.brown(a)ccs.bbk.ac.uk> writes: > The (London) Times is in a sad decline historical eminence as the paper > of record since it was taken over by Murdoch. It is basically run as a It was in decline for years before it was taken over by Murdoch and the circulation has increased greatly under his ownership. Murdoch revitalised the entire UK newspaper industry by destroying the stranglehold of the print unions who had prevented the production of The Times for several months in the late 1970s. Print unions also at this time had censored newspapers by refusing to print articles they didn't like. > The implication has to be that the Times is no longer a newspaper in > this context, but an instrument of government propaganda. The Times behaved poorly in this matter but I don't think it is an instrument of government propaganda. Not in the sense the BBC is. -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott steve(a)tightrope.demon.co.uk she came from planet claire/i knew she came from there

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