October 2001 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: FINALLY! we can buy Staria
by Declan McCullagh 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

Did you read the page carefully? See: NOW TAKING PRE-ORDERS FOR DELIVERY IN DECEMBER 2001/JANUARY 2002 Very Limited Quantity Available That said, I'm surprised to see the units advertised. As I said in another message, Starium's chairman (I think that's his current title) indicated to me today they've switched directions. -Declan On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 09:15:31PM -0700, Meyer Wolfsheim wrote: > On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > Right. I have a pair of Starium betas. They work. I'd recommend them. > > > > But the problem is that the purchaseable product doesn't exist. I went > > down to Carmel a few months ago and checked out the company. I love > > the ideas and the tech, but I wouldn't expect to see a product in the > > very near future. > > What's this then? > > http://www.tactronix.com/s100.htm > > > -MW-

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'Privacy Council' in defense of M$
by Peter Capelli 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO65026,00.html This guy (Ponemon) needs a basic math lesson ... ... Ponemon criticized the federal government for not doing enough to ensure the FTC could enforce privacy infractions. Recent increases in the FTC's budget aren't enough, he said, mocking the government's statement that it had boosted the agency's budget by 50%. "If you start at zero, 50% is only 50 cents," Ponemon said. ... Pete Capelli pcapelli(a)nsec.net http://www.capelli.org PGP Key ID:0x829263B6 "Those who would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin, 1759

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by Email Center 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

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Unplug & Profit: Disney, BMW, & UPS Share WLAN Successes At Gartner Summit
by ashley.pearce＠gartner.com 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

********************************************************************* NOVEMBER 9: THE LAST DAY TO REGISTER FOR: Wireless LAN Summit Unplugged Access to Profitability November 14-16, 2001 Boston, Massachusetts Click on to http://www.gartnerinfo.com/g.cgi/1550783/62/us/wlan Your final chance in 2001 to explore extraordinary WLAN profit opportunities with Gartner analysts ********************************************************************* PRIORITY CODE: RA04F Dear Joe Cypherpunk: In the tech sector, where good news is in short supply right now, the 2002 outlook for the Wireless LAN space is extraordinarily bright. So seize this final chance to be part of the resurgence in profits and productivity by attending GARTNER'S WIRELESS LAN SUMMIT NOVEMBER 14-16 IN BOSTON. To register immediately, go to http://www.gartnerinfo.com/g2.cgi/1550783/62/us/wlan. The news about this lucrative, growing market is compelling: * WLAN equipment vendors and chip manufacturers are making money and growing while the rest of the networking industry struggles through a recession. * Disney, UPS, BMW and other top companies are achieving remarkable ROI and productivity savings with WLANs. * Wireless technology is getting faster, cheaper, easier and more secure all the time. Still, as we've all learned, real profitability comes from sound decision-making. And that's where Gartner analysts give you the edge. *Gartner's WLAN Summit is the only vendor-neutral WLAN conference being offered today which means it's the only place you can get an objective appraisal of what's really going on with WLAN technology and what it means for your business. * At the Summit, Gartner clients can book their own one-on-one half-hour counseling session with one of our analysts. Get personalized, specific answers to your most pressing concerns. * Case studies from key executives at UPS, Disney, BMW, and other companies give you a firsthand look at what it really takes to get unplugged. * A special keynote session presented by Allan Scott from Wireless Ethernet Compatibility Alliance (WECA). * You'll walk away with an actionable plan for setting up your own WLAN. * You'll achieve significant financial savings based on the pragmatic advice and suggestions of Gartner's WLAN analysts. END 2001 ON A HIGH NOTE: LEARN WHAT YOU NEED TO PROFIT IN 2002 All major WLAN issues will be covered including: * ROI: Discover the real financial savings and improved productivity you can expect by getting unplugged. * Security: What it takes to manage and control your WLAN especially for telecommuting and traveling employees. * Traffic Demands: How to optimize traffic on your enterprise network * Technology: The verdict on Bluetooth, 802.11, 3G and WLAN application infrastructure. DISCOVER WHY IT PAYS TO SEND A TEAM We are offering a special team discount register four colleagues from the same company with payment at the same time, and register a fifth for free. Go to http://www.gartnerinfo.com/g3.cgi/1550783/62/us/wlan for details. FORGE POWERFUL STRATEGIC RELATIONSHIPS WITH WLAN PROVIDERS No one goes it alone in the WLAN marketplace and this Gartner event is the place to build the business relationships with colleagues in complementary fields including content owners & service providers, equipment vendors, network operators, location owners and technical experts. LAST CHANCE TO ACCESS GARTNER'S WLAN EXPERTISE IN 2001 Now is the pivotal time to get up to speed on WLANs so that you can quickly formulate and deploy plans for 2002. So register for this important event RIGHT NOW while you're viewing this e-mail at http://www.gartnerinfo.com/g4.cgi/1550783/62/us/wlan. Or call Ashley Pearce at 1-800-778-1997 or 1-203-316-6757. Be sure to mention your priority code RA04F when you contact us. Also, be sure to take advantage of late-breaking rate reductions that the Sheraton Boston Hotel is now offering all Gartner WLAN Summit participants. We look forward to meeting you in Boston. Sincerely, John Girard Conference Chair ********************************************************************* If, for any reason, you do not wish to receive future information from Gartner via e-mail, please send an e-mail to ashley.pearce(a)gartner.com If you have recently asked that your name be removed from our e-mail distribution list, please be advised that your request is being processed. We apologize for any inconvenience.

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Re: Where The Torture Never Stops...
by John Young 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

Come on Onin, watch the numbers skyrocket after Bush signs off on Ashcroft's wet dream. The US has the most bloated "justice" industry in the world, far bigger than any in history, and the spate of bills appearing will fatten these pigs beyond anything seen in the commie and fascist regimes. We are seeing the militarization of the US homeland, following the coup-pattern of a huge number of dipshit nations in Latin America, Asia, Africa and dots in the oceans which the US has armed and trained to attack the citizenry. Don't forget the US Joint Chiefs of Staff in the late 60s was studying murdering US citizens, and blaming it on the Cubans, to justify an attack on Castro. Would today's war criminals cook up a bin Laden version of Castrao? Yeah, they would if their economic interests were threatened. Watch for increasing provocations at home and overseas. Step by step ratcheting up the national security threat, as Tim and others have predicted. With economic threats being the glue that holds it together. The economic stimulus package just passed is the clue to broadening participation in the coup, again the same way corporations were enlisted to, and in some case led, overthrow of legitimate governments all around the globe. Watch for Americans who protest begin to disappear, in jail and on the streets. Watch for tales of torture to be leaked to scare the shit out of those who think defending civil liberties carries no risk. Will officials be shot in retaliation for official torture, rape and murder? Well, that's the Latin American model, and look who trained for that grim policy, what was it called, School of the Americas. Watch for Kissinger to advocate anti-terrorism mayhem so he won't be tried as a war criminal. Watch for Israel to leak more NSA intercepts of Arab leaders through Seymour Hersh. Watch for Woolsey to admit that spying on Amercians by the intelligence agencies never stopped after the Church Committee hearings, it just went blacker. Watch the intelligence oversight committees get investigated for negligence, excused by the anti-terrorism fervor, then even deeper domestic spying be covertly authorized cloaked by the Ashcroft kind. Watch for the intelligence agencies doing wet work at home, with leaks of the deeds to sow fear, suspicion of neighbors and obedience. Watch Disney's theme parks, Malls of America, be sacrificed to boost the hysteria, intelligence leads on the coming slaughter deliberately withheld in the Franklin Roosevelt model. The US has trained two generations of Americans to do all these things covertly and overtly, invested a big hunk of the nation's wealth in a bloated military and intelligence and justice regime and supporting industry providing lifelong employment for hundreds of thousands and return on investments for ten times that. Will such a vast, lucrative enterprise not do whatever it could to perpetuate its existence by finding an endless supply of enemies, most home grown for that very purpose? The only question is are you part of it, and who here does not benefit from this vile racket? If you have been to college you are a beneficiary, if you are successful you are a beneficiary, if you are not in jail you are a beneficiary. Excuse me for digging my foxhole deeper. At 02:31 PM 10/25/01 -0700, you wrote: >hm yes, you are correct. >he wasnt incarcerated. >never mind that other part then. > >but in all candor, dont ya think >that if a guy is there who SHOULDNT >be there, he wouldnt be there >after a decent timeframe of investigation? > >notwithstanding other manners of recent >injustices of justice, i.e., Mitnick et al, >in this day and age, with '1000' under the >microscope, doncha think odds are that >some of these guys woulda made it out >without incident? >holy shit what are the chances that the >evidence shows they are complicit?! >down to the last one of them! >if you were in charge of the 1000 would >you take the chance at being just another >victim? or do you really go so far as to >give them the benefit of the doubt FULLY >without seeing the information that >holds them in such a nice dark place to >begin with? i bet if you had the info, >you would keep them there too. >i bet if the info was incriminating >enough, you would look the other way >as well when a little manhandling comes >into play. > > >i dunno.

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Need help hacking /root/pwd to constitution
by A. Melon 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

take me to UR leader, i need his permission 2 ask the list a question need password in order to own/root constitution so i can slip in /bin/laden/findme.pl if U can do this 4 me it would B 3l33t any suggestions?

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RE: Need help hacking /root/pwd to constitution
by Sandy Sandfort 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

A. Melon wrote: > any suggestions? Yes, take a remedial reading course and then read Flesch's WRITING PLAIN ENGLISH. S a n d y > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-cypherpunks(a)lne.com [mailto:owner-cypherpunks@lne.com]On > Behalf Of A. Melon > Sent: 25 October, 2001 14:45 > To: cypherpunks(a)lne.com > Subject: Need help hacking /root/pwd to constitution > > > take me to UR leader, i need his > permission 2 ask the list a question > > need password in order to own/root > constitution so i can slip in > /bin/laden/findme.pl > > if U can do this 4 me it would B 3l33t > > any suggestions?

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First, brand all the children
by Anonymous User 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

An armed uprising won't transpire, but a time will come when people will run away from cities. Even if you disagree with prophecy, I very much doubt that you truly believe that there is men and women in great numbers that will fight. After spending 26 years on this planet, it will not be a surprise to me when my neighbors, family & friends are first in line to the inoculation centers. Why? Because it will be the simpliest of things. "And that no man might buy or sell, except he that had the mark" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Furlong" <sfurlong(a)acmenet.net> To: <cypherpunks(a)lne.com> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 6:23 AM Subject: Re: First, brand all the children > Declan McCullagh wrote: > > > When you have 99-1 votes in the Senate > > (http://www.politechbot.com/p-02651.html) can anyone seriously > > say that either the Democrats or Republicans can be trusted to > > preserve our privacy and follow the demands of the Constitution? > > No. Nor have the mass of national politicians been trustworthy > since FDR or before. > > It might be good that Congress is likely to pass a Draconian > anti-terrorism law. The nibbling away at civil rights has gone > generally without effective opposition. About the only hope for the > retention of our rights is a massive chunk bitten off at once, > while there are still enough armed Americans to put politicians in > fear of their lives. I'm not actually hoping for an armed uprising, > but the fear of one is > clearly the only thing which will bring Congress, the federal > courts, and the President to heel. > > -- > Steve Furlong Computer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel > 617-670-3793 > > "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly > while bad people will find a way around the laws." -- Plato

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Re: Where the torture never stops..{ *** WARNING *** top-posted }
by mmotyka＠lsil.com 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

Greg, Welcome to America's "New Era." Goebels, Himmler and the rest of the team are reincarnated. Welcome back to meatspace Gentlemen, it's been far too long! What organizations will be challenging the Constitutionality of at least sections of the soon to be recent Gestapo Act? Who has standing to challenge a law that has yet to be enforced? Where are $ best placed to get results? Don't get me wrong - I think we have to address the issues of terrorism on multiple fronts but what I read about the USA PATRIOT stuff makes leaving the coutry's name "USA" blatantly fraudulent. Truly nauseated, Mike Greg Broiles <gbroiles(a)well.com> wrote : >At 01:04 PM 10/25/2001 -0700, Onin wal-a bin Hakkin wrote: > >>if you are incarcerated for a fucked up deed you shouldnt >>expect to be put in the hilton. is this not a universal >>idea and accepted? >>jailprisontheklink is supposed to SUCK. >>[...] >>i ask you, am i a bad person for feeling this way? > >What you seem to be missing is that the approx 1000 people now being held >haven't been "incarcerated for a fucked up deed" - they're being held for >what's probably a spectrum of reasons, ranging from "found in an airport >with a one-way plane ticket, a boxcutter, and a forged passport on the >morning of 9/11" to "gave a cop too much attitude while having a >non-Western name". But we don't know who's being held, nor for how long, >nor what the reasons are, or the evidence which establishes that the >"reasons" have some relationship to reality. > >We have a special process for deciding who's done fucked up deeds and thus >deserving of punishment, and it's called a trial. > >After these people have had one, then we can argue about what ought to >happen to them. Until then - and/or at least until the evidence against >these people has been made public and subjected to scrutiny - we don't know >whether these people are Mother Teresa or Satan himself or somewhere in >between. > >If we're going to start beating and torturing and killing people pretrial >(paying special attention to foreigners who may not fully agree with our >culture or values), exactly how is the ruling regime in the US different >from the ruling regime in Afghanistan? The only aspect left that I can see >that's different would be a nominally secular vs religious basis, but I >don't trust Ashcroft to respect that for long. > >Pretrial detention is not supposed to suck, it's supposed to be minimally >burdensome, to the extent that's compatible with making sure people show up >for trial, don't commit further crimes, and don't cost an exorbitant amount >of staff attention. > >(* This isn't meant as a claim that what we had prior to 9/11 in terms of >trials, pretrial detention, or any of the other criminal procedure features >was what it's advertised to be, or that it was compatible with the >Constitution - but I still regard the abandonment of even the pretense of >complying with the Constitution as a significant step towards some very >serious trouble.) > > >-- >Greg Broiles >gbroiles(a)well.com >"We have found and closed the thing you watch us with." -- New Delhi street kids

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Re: Where the torture never stops..
by Greg Broiles 25 Oct '01

25 Oct '01

At 01:04 PM 10/25/2001 -0700, Onin wal-a bin Hakkin wrote: >if you are incarcerated for a fucked up deed you shouldnt >expect to be put in the hilton. is this not a universal >idea and accepted? >jailprisontheklink is supposed to SUCK. >[...] >i ask you, am i a bad person for feeling this way? What you seem to be missing is that the approx 1000 people now being held haven't been "incarcerated for a fucked up deed" - they're being held for what's probably a spectrum of reasons, ranging from "found in an airport with a one-way plane ticket, a boxcutter, and a forged passport on the morning of 9/11" to "gave a cop too much attitude while having a non-Western name". But we don't know who's being held, nor for how long, nor what the reasons are, or the evidence which establishes that the "reasons" have some relationship to reality. We have a special process for deciding who's done fucked up deeds and thus deserving of punishment, and it's called a trial. After these people have had one, then we can argue about what ought to happen to them. Until then - and/or at least until the evidence against these people has been made public and subjected to scrutiny - we don't know whether these people are Mother Teresa or Satan himself or somewhere in between. If we're going to start beating and torturing and killing people pretrial (paying special attention to foreigners who may not fully agree with our culture or values), exactly how is the ruling regime in the US different from the ruling regime in Afghanistan? The only aspect left that I can see that's different would be a nominally secular vs religious basis, but I don't trust Ashcroft to respect that for long. Pretrial detention is not supposed to suck, it's supposed to be minimally burdensome, to the extent that's compatible with making sure people show up for trial, don't commit further crimes, and don't cost an exorbitant amount of staff attention. (* This isn't meant as a claim that what we had prior to 9/11 in terms of trials, pretrial detention, or any of the other criminal procedure features was what it's advertised to be, or that it was compatible with the Constitution - but I still regard the abandonment of even the pretense of complying with the Constitution as a significant step towards some very serious trouble.) -- Greg Broiles gbroiles(a)well.com "We have found and closed the thing you watch us with." -- New Delhi street kids

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