October 2000 - cypherpunks-legacy

CDR: Business link
by edtj2000 02 Oct '00

02 Oct '00

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Re: AES winner to be announced Monday.
by Nomen Nescio 02 Oct '00

02 Oct '00

On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:38:30 -0400, "Trei, Peter" <ptrei(a)rsasecurity.com> wrote: > I can't get the web page myself, but the appended message > is in sci.crypt today: > > Peter Trei > ------------------------ > From: Jim Gillogly <jim(a)acm.org> > 1:03 PM > > Subject: Re: Deadline for AES... > > Tim Tyler wrote: > > No official announcement of the date has been posted yet on > > http://csrc.nist.gov/encryption/aes/ > > The new notice just went up at this site: announcement to be made > 2 Oct with simultaneous webcast. They (explicitly) won't say yet > how many algorithms have been chosen as the AES. There's no mention > of new versions of SHA-* with appropriately longer hashes. > -- > Jim Gillogly > Sterday, 8 Winterfilth S.R. 2000, 17:00 > 12.19.7.10.12, 8 Eb 15 Chen, Fifth Lord of Night Though NIST is being very secretive regarding the AES announcement, they let the following rumors leak: 1. There is a single winner. 2. It is not an American design. If so, this rules out MARS, RC6, and Twofish. But now comes the third rumor: 3. The winner is not covered by any patent or patent claim identified or disclosed to NIST by interested parties. Assuming this is true, there is only one algorithm that is not explicitly mentioned in Hitachi's claim: Rijndael.

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CDR: Editor's Choice: Winning Stocks in the Insurance Industry, 10/2/00
by Powerize/Hoover's 02 Oct '00

02 Oct '00

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CDR: Bruble2 address change
by Admin of Bruble Anonymous Remailer 02 Oct '00

02 Oct '00

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CDR: Re: <nettime> Rebirth of Guilds
by David Honig 02 Oct '00

02 Oct '00

At 04:36 AM 9/25/00 -0400, Sampo A Syreeni wrote: > >So how do you feel, for instance, about bullying in the form of cooperative >isolation of someone by his/her peers? Certainly everybody has the /right/ >not to speak to someone... Freedom of association includes freedom not to associate. >Only that sort of thing harms people more than an occasional, physical >punch, something which few liberty-advocating people would say is tolerable. Exclusion harms you only if it bugs you ---you have to want to be a homosexual atheist boyscout for their exclusion to matter. Non-consensual violence always harms. > >I think liberty should carry a pricetag of tolerance. > No, liberty is absolute, and probably not being exercised if *someone* isn't offended. Your suggestion to "play nice" is quaint but irrelevent when talking about sovereign adults. Tolerance means tolerating intolerant groups. The latter-day euros (germans and french esp.) don't get it. When you burn nazi literature you have become them.

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CDR: disney dollars.
by All family 02 Oct '00

02 Oct '00

Hello. My name is Sandy and I had seen an article that you had or have disney dollars. The reason I am asking is that my father is a currency collector and is looking for the disney dollars. As you know that the old versions are of course very hard to find. Him being with out web access, it is my job to help is seek and find the newest craze to currency collecting. If you could be of any help, I would deeply appreciate it. Thanks for your time and have a wonderful week. Sandy Manhattan,KS

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CDR: More news from Somalia
by James A.. Donald 02 Oct '00

02 Oct '00

-- Many of you may have seen news items about another attempt to form a government in Somalia. Many of you may have seen a news item that the president entered Mogadishu, the former capital of former Somalia, surrounded by a large military force, and was warmly welcomed. Well it seems that most of that force was not fighters loyal to the president, but fighters loyal to various factions and conflicting and incompatible special interests to which the president had made all sorts of promises. It is not clear to what extent the forces were there to protect him and ensure he was obeyed, and to what extent they were there to make sure he delivered on his diverse promises to diverse interest groups. The president entered Mogadishu without a shot fired. He also left it without a shot fired, though a few prominent Somalis have announced a policy of killing him on sight. As far as anyone can tell the president spent one day in Somalia, and is now back to leading a government-in-exile. This does not mean that the attempt to form a government has failed, but it has not yet succeeded. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG Id0ZhxXLfjOd/3uSMCJcK/BNoXTdziRYHThMFxA2 4wULaLgFycpPD/YzYSa7uh+mmlCX8vLBlgr7qs7cO

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CDR: rose icon meaning?
by Anonymous 01 Oct '00

01 Oct '00

Could someone explain or provide a reference for what the rose icon signifies? -Anon Tim writes: > [...] > > Gilding the lily...or the "Cypherpunks rose," appropriately.

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CDR: Natural rights (was Re: Shunning, lesbians and liberty)
by Gil Hamilton 01 Oct '00

01 Oct '00

Sampo Syreeni writes: >Actually I s ub scribe to neither view. I see rights as something that do >not >naturally exist, but are purely a societal product, subject to change >through redefinition. Whether this happens because the government effects >it >or if the people start to view something as an inherent right is, to me, >immaterial. At heart, the notion of a right is a moral one; it is closely tied to the moral concepts of good and evil. These concepts are known and understood universally among members of our species. Some view them as attributes of their religious belief, but even those who aren't religious and don't think in terms of "sin" recognize the concepts. The idea of right versus wrong is clearly both natural and universal to humankind. While individuals' beliefs as to exactly which "natural rights" exist may differ, all people (save some tiny few sociopaths who must be considered "abnormal") agree on some of them. For example, if you did a poll, you'd find that pretty near 100% of people believe at some level that they have a right to protect their own lives and the lives of their family members. The limits or boundaries of that right would of course be the subject of considerable dispute. A frequent critique of libertarianism (and anarcho-capitalism) is that it advocates a law-of-the-jungle, winner-take-all society: that the strong, the wealthy and the powerful prosper while the weak, the poor and the powerless are doomed to suffering, exploitation and oppression. However, it is this idea that natural rights do not exist, that any right you have is something that can simply be taken away by "society" (in practice of course that means the government), that is the real law-of-the-jungle situation. It is saying, in effect: you have no rights except those "we" (variously defined as society or government, but it always boils down to the Men With Guns from the government) allow you. "And don't complain too loudly or we might have to take those away too" (for the chiiiiiildren, perhaps). I and most others on this list utterly reject that crap. As James Donald's .sig used to say (and maybe still does): "We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are." You can't take away my right to defend myself by simply "redefining" it. And anyone who tries to do so has marked himself as one worth careful watching, or even perhaps, as Tim so often suggests, killing. - GH _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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CDR: no fedbucks means freedom
by A. Melon 01 Oct '00

01 Oct '00

"Because the school accepts no government aid and prohibits its students from doing the same, it has the right to discriminate on the basis of religion." from a story http://www.newsday.com/ap/text/national/ap170.htm about a college for home-schoolers. Re: why govt subsidized arenas have to be neutral wrt who you kiss, a recent thread here. Along those lines, two more recent refs: one where a govt school cuts off the Scouts, another where a county doesnt and gets sued. http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/xnyap/20000927/lo/brf_boy_scout_ban_1.html District Ends Boy Scout Affiliation NEW YORK (AP) - A Manhattan school board has banned its 42 schools from sponsoring Boy Scout troops because the 90-year-old national organization excludes gays. The board of Community School District Two passed the resolution at a meeting Tuesday night, becoming the first district in the city to enact such a ban. http://www.latimes.com/editions/orange/20000927/t000091530.html Scouts Lease on Base Extended ACLU, gays claim rent-free access to Newport Beach site is a government subsidy for a discriminatory group. By DAVID REYES, Times Staff Writer Over objections from the gay and lesbian community and the threat of an ACLU lawsuit, Orange County supervisors Tuesday unanimously approved a 30-year extension of the Boy Scouts lease on a Newport Beach sea base under county authority. "This is good news for everybody in Orange County," said David Janes, a sea base volunteer and retired Navy rear admiral, after the boards vote. About 35 Scouts, their parents and Scout leaders attended the meeting in a show of support for the rent-free extension of the base lease, beginning in 2006. The Scouts have operated the base for 63 years and recently raised $4.5 million to renovate the popular facility. Opponents of the lease renewal argued that the county should not "subsidize" a group that discriminates against people because of sexual orientation. "It is clear that the Boy Scouts do not have the right to receive any government subsidies, sponsorship or special privileges, such as sweetheart deals on rent of government lands and buildings," said Martha Matthews, an attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union. The ACLU recently sued San Diego in federal court over a lease of public parkland to the Scouts for $1 a year. In response to a question Tuesday by Supervisor Todd Spitzer about whether the ACLU intends to sue Orange County, Matthews said, "Its likely that we would." Another great quote: The only thing different is you dont have to dumb down the vocabulary when youre teaching home-schooled kids, said Farris, a Republican nominee for lieutenant governor in 1993 and founder of the Home School Legal Defense Association.

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