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Re: Up Front Discussion
by Karl 18 Jun '20

18 Jun '20

Ehh I read "there may be a chance" prior to what you wrote, which I still see quoted below. I hear it as assuming low likelihood of what comes after. Just looking for collaboration, Zenaan. I github'd you and found IQNets with its empty codebase: do you guys need help taking that somewhere? Since iqnets replaces tor and has no code in it, it looks pretty legit, although I wouldn't expect that to make sense to anybody. I've calmed down and am remembering to take you out of the To: field this time. Sorry about that. I've struggled for years against many obstacles to move forward on reliable logging and was excited to see Jim's project. On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 10:46 AM Zenaan Harkness <zen(a)freedbms.net> wrote: > Seems you misread what I wrote... > > I wrote "this project could have a positive net effect" ... > > Did you misread my words? > > > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 10:19:43AM -0400, Karl wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 8:06 AM Zenaan Harkness <zen(a)freedbms.net> wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 06:29:30PM -0400, Karl wrote: > > > > Checking to see if anybody is interested in working on this, possibly > > > with > > > > me, on the software side. I don't know you and am half crazy, but I > > > still > > > > know some code. > > > > > > > > grarpamp, Jim said the device has room for an SDR. A generalized > secure > > > > network would also be a great thing. > > > > > > > > I have not read most of this list, if that's not obvious. I read > source > > > > code a lot better than english. > > > > > > > > > There may be a chance this project could have a positive net effect. > > > > > > > <cries> > > > > Zenaan how can you assume in public like this that this project is > > horrible, without any discussion of its merits, on a thread about working > > on it with no other replies? > > > > Have I hurt you? Does this project hurt you? > > > > You collapse all our impact into one "net effect" and say it is bad! I > > have tried to kill myself repeatedly, Zenaan, and it just gets you locked > > in a hospital still alive, crying and wishing you could die! We need to > > try to do something with our efforts! > > > > What projects are you working or dreaming of? > > > > > > > In terms of device, step PRIMARY, is to free you and your users from > the > > > clutches of google/apple etc. For example the Librem 5 may be a good > base > > > platform on which to add any daughter board you guys come up with... > > > > > > > At the very least, rooting your mainstream 'tard-phone is likely up on > > > your list already, of course. > > > > > > Good luck, > > > >

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Attempt to Log Handling Compromise Severely Resisting Discovery
by Karl 17 Jun '20

17 Jun '20

I have just videotaped bash removing a command from my bash history every time I execute it, using a phone that has been in airplane mode since factory reset, and also most of its life since purchase.

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CNBC: Zoom reverses course, will give end-to-end encryption option to all users
by jim bell 17 Jun '20

17 Jun '20

CNBC: Zoom reverses course, will give end-to-end encryption option to all users. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/17/zoom-will-give-end-to-end-encryption-option…

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The Washington Post: Elite CIA unit that developed hacking tools failed to secure its own systems, allowing massive leak, an internal report found
by jim bell 17 Jun '20

17 Jun '20

The Washington Post: Elite CIA unit that developed hacking tools failed to secure its own systems, allowing massive leak, an internal report found. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/elite-cia-unit-that-develo…

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HCPP20 Digital Totality
by Faux Dameron 17 Jun '20

17 Jun '20

>From Twitter: https://twitter.com/Paralelni_polis We do not know if there will be a second wave of COVID-19. But we know for sure the #HCPP20 will happen this year. Whether in a physical world or a virtual one. Alarming, topical, and disturbing, reflecting the rise of Digital Totality. https://hcpp.cz This is one of the last active cypherpunk/crypto-anarchist conferences to be still held yearly. I was incredibly lucky to attend and participate last year and I thought this would be one of the best places to spread the word. fd

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Re: Personal Black Box? Vuze+ Camera system.
by jim bell 17 Jun '20

17 Jun '20

On Tuesday, June 16, 2020, 11:34:18 PM PDT, jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> wrote: (this mail was bounced a few times due to the failure of the server, I think.) I just sent the following to the manufacturer of the Vuze+ camera system: https://vuze.camera/camera/vuze-plus-camera Among a group of people on an email list, I am trying to spur the development of a wearable "360-degree" camera system that could use your Vuze+ device as a major component. However, some level of expansion will be necessary, to be achieved by inclusion of other components. 1. Expansion of the data stored to substantially greater than "2 hours", probably using a commercial SSD device. (not merely larger SD cards, especially since their capacity at any level of technology are limited.) 2. Expansion of the battery capacity to substantially greater than (2 hours), probably using a commercial battery pack. 3. All or most of the data stream generated should be transmitted, perhaps by WiFi, to a nearby person or people, each carrying a storage system, there to be stored locally. (each such person may, or may not, carry a similar camera system.) The purpose of this precaution is to ensure that even if the device is completely and instantly lost or destroyed, most of the data remains available. 4. Some portion of the data will be transmitted, presumably by 4G or 5G, possibly so that it can be placed on a website and live-streamed. Due to the data capacity limitations of 4G, or even 5G, I anticipate that only a fraction of the entire data stream can be immediately exported in this way. Perhaps, for example, only one of every two, or only one of every 3, or only one of every 4, or even less, of the frames in the video can be exported by 4G or 5G. One reason for the capacity limitation, I anticipate, is that I expect that this system may be used in a crowd, where hundreds of other people nearby may be also recording and transmitting video. My understanding is that your product compresses video data. But for my purposes, it is importantant that it not be necessary to transmit the entire video stream: It should be possible to separate the data so that the portion of the data being tranmitted (say by 4G or 5G) can recover a useable portion of the video. I realize that this might only transmit a fraction of the frames, and thus the output will be jerky, but I understand that this will an unavoidable limitation of the system. What I do not know is if the compression provided in your Vuze+ (or other products) will be compatible with this handling of the data. A data compression system that only allows "all" of the data to be generated and transmitted would be a problem. I can see from your product's description that it contains WiFi 4 (802.11n) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi states that this can handle a linke of "72-600" megabits/second. But I also notice that your product has one option of generating 80 megabytes per second, and that would be 640 megabits per second. Does that mean that your device can, or cannot, transmit the camera's output in real-time by WiFi?Also, is there any prospect of upgrading the WiFi capability of your product to WiFi5 or higher, and thus allow the transmission of (802.11ac) , or "433–6933 Mbit/s"? Along with carrying your Vuze+ camera device, I anticipate that the cameraman will be carrying: a. A commercial battery pack, to augment the other battery packs in your device, and in a smartphone, and to supply a SSD device. b. A SSD device, perhaps with the capability of storing 1, 2, or more terabytes of video data. c. The entire arrangement will probably be controlled by a near-state-of-the-art commercial smartphone, ideally one which is capable of 5G data transmission. While it is said that a fully-implemented 5G system will allow transmission of as much as 10 gigabits/second, I also understand that to achieve this data rate will require installation of substantially advanced neighborhood hardware, which will probably only occur over a period of years. Dpes it appear to you that the system I anticipate can be built, in part using your Vuze+ camera system, or perhaps one of your other systems? [end of message to the Vuze+ manufacturer] -------------------------------------- On Monday, June 15, 2020, 04:58:07 PM PDT, jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> wrote: I've done some more research, and it seems that existing components could do a substantial part of this project. Consider the Vuze camera, specifically the Vuze+. https://vuze.camera/ It has 8 cameras, in four pairs, aiming in the horizontal plane, and is able to use them to record stereoscopic views. https://vuze.camera/camera/vuze-plus-camera This MIGHT be even better than I anticipated. This device refers to recording data on SD cards. Great, unless the device is smashed or stolen. I consider it to be an essential part of this device that it port a substantial fraction of the data away from the cameraman, perhaps many tens of meters away. But it mentions WiFi: Does that mean that the entire data stream can be transmitted? Even if the data can be only transmitted 'nearby', say 30-100 meters away, by WiFi, that would be a great feature. The specification sheet https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91Hcr5ModJL.pdf mentions a data rate of 120 MB/second or 80MB/second. Note that it's MB, meaning megaBYTE per second, not merely megabit/second. The specs say that the data is written to a SD card. Can this be expanded using a 1 terabyte (or larger) SSD? Unclear. The data is compressed to MP4. It also mentions: WiFi IEEE 802.11b/g/n 2.4 GHZ I can tell, from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi that WiFi4, 802.11n can do a link from: "72-600 million bits per second". Already, I see a hitch: Does this mean that this device can transmit 80MB x 8 bits, or 640 megabits/second, since the link can only go to "600 million bits per second". While it would be nice to be able to transmit the entire data stream locally, as long as all that stream goes into a local SSD, I suppose it would be okay if "only" half the data, say 320 megabits/second, were transmitted by WiFi to another portable system carried by a different person a few tens of meters away. But one question I have is this: Can the data stream be readily 'split up', so that only a portion of it is transmitted? Or is it an 'all or nothing' sort of thing? And I think it's important that a smaller fraction of the data be transmitted by 4G or 5G cell data. Jim Bell

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"batshit insane Austrian school blog" too influential for the (((Gewgles))) - demonetized by Google
by Zig the N.g 17 Jun '20

17 Jun '20

TFW your "batshit insane Austrian school blog" has become so influential, the (((lame stream Jewdia))) blackbans and demonetizes you, and even Jack "made billionaire king by the Jewish bankers" Dorsey is not allowed to 'follow' your stream :D Folks, by just about relevant measure in this period of history, ZeroHedge is kicking that ball right outta the park :) (Hey, they got more feathers in their cap than most these days - not particularly hard to do, but most are evidently too compromised to be able to do so ... amazing times hey.) What the Demonrats fail to realize is that, no matter how sophisticated their 'ban/ shadow ban/ demonetize' protocol is, ultimately every such "shut it down" success is another feather in the cap of him who is targetted (look up the Streissand Effect if you missed that memo). Remember goys and gals, Google is a censor, influencer, chooser, therefore a publisher. Google Demonetizes Zero Hedge https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/google-demonetizes-zero-hedge

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A Mysterious Plane Circled Over Portland Protests for Hours. The U.S. Marshals Service Won’t Say If It’s Theirs. - Willamette Week
by jim bell 17 Jun '20

17 Jun '20

https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/06/15/a-mysterious-plane-circled-over-portl…

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Re: Whether To Design Open Source Public Records Equipment
by Karl 17 Jun '20

17 Jun '20

I sent this reply personally to Punk but am returning the thread to the list per Zenaan's request elsewhere. Please express a differing opinion from Zenaan's if you have one. On Thu, Jun 11, 2020, 10:18 PM Punk-Stasi 2.0 <punks(a)tfwno.gf> wrote: > On Thu, 11 Jun 2020 20:34:48 -0400 > Karl <gmkarl(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > But why are you dissing Jim's project when there are already surveillance > > cameras everywhere, and cops are beating up journalists as we email? > > because his 'project' will change nothing and it's just propaganda > to make 'technology' look good. You can record cops with already existing > retardphones. It changes nothing. Have you tried this? The information is usually lost. The cop orders you to erase it, or even destroys the phone; I emailed myself some recordings once and they disappeared from my email. The current activism appears to be working better because people throughout american culture are resisting those things, and there are too many events for authorities to handle. and Jim has been spamming the list with his techno bullshit It sounds like you're really frustrated and discouraged around the presence of technological business support, without overt acknowledgement and consideration of all the harm it causes. I've been handling that too, and realizing others hold it is cause for me to think on it. Cecilia told me Jim has been through years of prison for resisting abuse of power by authorities. Some of us want to sousveil the authorities, and we are likely to be misled in some ways because those authorities have been surveiling and influencing us for years. In such a situation those confining you can try to produce conflict between you and others, to prevent collaboration or harm you. It is hard to learn how we might be wrong when so heavily criticized. It seems dangerous to me to associate our opinions of what people did with the people who did those things. Such a habit could easily disrupt a community exposed to false rumors.

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List broken; now fixed
by Greg Newby 17 Jun '20

17 Jun '20

Apologies that the list was bouncing all day today (after around 9am US Eastern Daylight Time). I botched a setting in Postfix, and didn't realize it until 13 hours later! It looks like anyone who submitted to the list would have received a bounce message (complaining about spamc), and the message was not received or processed. You'll need to resend if you want the message to go to the cypherpunks list. The good news is I had a pleasant day outdoors, out and about (alone!) on the trails where I live. Rather than sitting in front of my computer all day. The bad news is it was evident in about 2 seconds that something was wrong, when I checked my mail, because I had not received any messages since this morning. Not even spam! Mea culpa. Things now seem to be fixed. Let the conversation continue! - Greg

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