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Ecartis command results: unsubscribe
by Michael Best 17 Oct '15

17 Oct '15

> > This forum exists for honing Machiavellian malevolency. If only. All I've seen are amateurish insults and baseless accusations. If anyone here had enough sense to be Machiavellian about coming after me or my data, then I wouldn't be half as frustrated with some of the behavior on this list. Not even any Machiavelli wannabes, just children throwing tantrums when their beliefs or idols are challenged.

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Re: [cryptome] Re: Cryptome Mail List Messing
by John Young 17 Oct '15

17 Oct '15

Related to, coordinated with, Wikipedia's recently revised Cryptome entry to favor biased and erroneous items in a aggressive Cryptome attack sanctioned by the site editors. https://cryptome.org/wikipedia-cryptome-bias-15-1017-0642.pdf At 08:19 AM 10/17/2015, you wrote: >you should publicly announce ypur suspicions. the Streisand effect >make take effect >On Oct 16, 2015 4:16 PM, "John Young" ><<mailto:jya@pipeline.com>jya(a)pipeline.com> wrote: >Somebody is attempting to take over, mess with or take down >the mail list. Remain amused if weirdness appears in your box. > >Suspect(s) has been logged by Freelists host. > >This is not from a suspect but might be similar. > >

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Re: Nominee officers and directors (was: Why cryptome sold weblogs...)
by wirelesswarrior＠Safe-mail.net 17 Oct '15

17 Oct '15

See that's the thing, John. Cypherpunks would not operate such a site with any court having "effective" jurisdiction. -------- Original Message -------- From: grarpamp <grarpamp(a)gmail.com> Apparently from: cypherpunks-bounces(a)cpunks.org To: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> Cc: cypherpunks(a)cpunks.org Subject: Re: Nominee officers and directors (was: Why cryptome sold weblogs...) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 18:20:18 -0400 > On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 8:06 PM, John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> wrote: > > Documents are removed from this site only by order > > served directly by a US court having jurisdiction. > > Belief is that some docs (particularly those in the junk / history category) > have been removed without such order, instead of left for audience review. > References elude, diff the great archives to find.

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Any "greatest generation" cypherpunks in the OSS?
by Michael Best 17 Oct '15

17 Oct '15

If anyone knows anything about, or can recommend any sources on, the cypherpunk equivalents (and related missions) in the Office of Strategic Services (OSS - the WW2 predecessor to CIG which basically became CIA in '47) please let me know. To be relevant to my research, it needs to be OSS related. Venona, Enigma et al are interesting and historically relevant, but right now my focus is limited to OSS. So far, the most interesting thing I've come across is the Tizard Mission by Stephen Phelps... unfortunately for me, it's more Britain and navy oriented than OSS, and the surveillance issues are more aerial/naval than cypherpunk-y. Since it's interesting nonetheless, I figured I'd share the link and summary along with my request for help. http://www.amazon.com/The-Tizard-Mission-Top-Secret-Operation/dp/159416116X Unknown to the rest of the world, Britain’s brightest scientific and > military minds had been working on futuristic technology for a decade, > including radar and jet propulsion. While the great value of radar to > locate and identify objects at long distance and at night or in bad weather > was appreciated, at the time it was thought that practical radar required a > room-sized device for generating an effective signal. Now, suddenly, > British scientists had something extraordinary—the cavity magnetron, a > generator hundreds of times more powerful than any other in use and small > enough to be held in the hand. With the British economy and industry > reeling from the war, Winston Churchill gambled on an unorthodox plan: a > team of scientists and engineers would travel under cover to the United > States and give the still-neutral Americans the best of Britain’s military > secrets. It was hoped that in exchange the United States would provide > financial and manufacturing support—which might even lead to their official > entry into the war. > > The Tizard Mission, named for its leader Sir Henry Tizard, steamed > across the Atlantic carrying a suitcase-sized metal deed box. Designed to > sink in the event the ship was torpedoed by a U-boat, the box contained > details of the Whittle jet engine, research for an atomic bomb, and a > precious cavity magnetron. The Americans proved to be astonished, > receptive, and efficient: Bell Telephone produced the first thirty > magnetrons in October 1940, and over a million by the end of the war. With > this device, both warships and aircraft could carry war-winning radar. But > Britain did not only give America military secrets, these same technologies > would produce a fortune for postwar commercial industries, with the > magnetron being the key component to the microwave oven. In *The Tizard > Mission: The Top-Secret Operation That Changed the Course of World War II*, > Stephen Phelps reveals how the Tizard Mission was the turning point in the > technological war, giving Britain the weapons it desperately needed and > laying the groundwork for both the Special Relationship and much of the > United States’s postwar economic boom, an effect that still resonates today. >

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Re: Ecartis command results: unsubscribe
by John Young 16 Oct '15

16 Oct '15

If not distrusted, hated and vilified, try harder. This forum exists for honing Machiavellian malevolency. If praise, trust and fruitful discussion is desired (as once available in higher ed of Readers Digest Life in These United States, but no more), SEO elsewhere, then when abused, misled, cold-cocked, rejected and dispirited by bullying intolerance, sneak back under newly minted nym, try even harder to piss on Hettinga's celebrity high-stepping patent leather Keds.

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Truth teller or Truthiness?
by Shelley 16 Oct '15

16 Oct '15

This is why it matters: https://wikileaks.org/wiki/John_Young https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Cryptome https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Category:Whistleblowers/United_States https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Category:Truth_tellers John Young is listed as a Truth Teller and a Whistleblower. He is mentioned on the same pages as Chelsea Manning, sitting in prison. In the same breath as Edward Snowden. Thomas Drake. Mark Klein. You get the picture. This is why it matters. Whether John Young deserves to be there among people who have truly risked everything to tell the truth is something only his actions will demonstrate. -Shelley

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Re: Fwd: Ecartis command results: unsubscribe
by Razer 16 Oct '15

16 Oct '15

Sorry. I should know better than to 'feed the trolls'. I promise the next (just sent) is going to be the last on the topic... On 10/16/2015 12:06 PM, Александр wrote: > Oh no, Razer... what have you done? > > :)Now > > this troll starts again. > And I just thought it was over after deleting dozens of his f*cken > letters from my email. > > **

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Fwd: Ecartis command results: unsubscribe
by Razer 16 Oct '15

16 Oct '15

And there you have it... The end result of Mike Best's troll... Gleaned addresses being run through cryptome's listerver. The server admin could detail from which IP these requests originated. RR -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Ecartis command results: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:17:32 -0400 (EDT) From: FreeLists Mailing List Manager <ecartis(a)freelists.org> To: rayzer Request received for list 'cryptome' via request address. >> unsubscribe 'Unsubscribe' request denied. Your request was rejected for the following reason: You are not on the list 'cryptome'.

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Fwd: Ecartis command results: unsubscribe
by Michael Best 16 Oct '15

16 Oct '15

A masterful troll spoiled by the standard protection against malicious/fake unsubscribe requests. Oh, if only I had accounted for it! I received one too, and several times during the last few weeks I've gotten emails telling me that someone was trying to log into my freelists settings. I have no idea who it was, so I'm not going to accuse anyone without any evidence whatsoever. Glad to see you're not jumping to conclusions, Occam's Rayzer. ;-) And there you have it... The end result of Mike Best's troll... Gleaned > addresses being run through cryptome's listerver. The server admin could > detail from which IP these requests originated. RR -------- Forwarded > Message -------- > Subject: Ecartis command results: unsubscribe > Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:17:32 -0400 (EDT) > From: FreeLists Mailing List Manager <ecartis(a)freelists.org> > To: rayzer Request received for list 'cryptome' via request address. >>* > unsubscribe *'Unsubscribe' request denied. > Your request was rejected for the following reason: You are not on the > list 'cryptome'.

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Neocities 'Security Statements'
by Travis Biehn 16 Oct '15

16 Oct '15

List; Neocities is making a pretty bold statement on their website - it seems to indicate that they are a safe haven from nation state attackers: "We also provide Snowden-grade SSL cryptography on all sites, preventing snoops from seeing what you browse." Is that an implied 'Snowden approves' there? These types of statements are fairly dangerous to any targeted groups. I can't find any details to support that they have the sorts of properties one would expect from a service resilient to those types of groups. -Travis -- Twitter <https://twitter.com/tbiehn> | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/travisbiehn> | GitHub <http://github.com/tbiehn> | TravisBiehn.com <http://www.travisbiehn.com> | Google Plus <https://plus.google.com/+TravisBiehn>

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