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conceptual theatre
by brian carroll 26 Dec '13

26 Dec '13

in times like these you might expect there would be music about what is going on, films investigating the concepts (many quite good actually), other activities, painters painting (a few) and so on, to establish depth to conversation and communication instead of enforcing ideological limits and functioning in limited parameters, reinforcing traditional feedback loops corruption relies upon especially plays, literature. perhaps some of the latter in its detachment or documentary aspects or parallels yet where is the cultural insight of those most free on earth- why the silence when searching for 'play on surveillance' that would have theater delving into realm of importance and providing critique, frameworks to evaluate ongoing situations within, instead of- well, seemingly nothing. - of - the - most - free - people - in - the - entire - world - with nothing to say or views to share about this situation, not using their rights or freedoms -- adding up to nothing fucking disgraceful. shameful, self-indulgent, self serving hypocrisy. as if bureaucracy must sign off on everything. no allowable risk. disneyification of the entirety of culture, endless reruns of previous ideas and interpretations yet no one with enough insight to frame this given picture? or is it fear that holds people back, silence is safety no one willing to take a stab at it, and then another to regain a space and place lost to complacency and lack of will, responsibility, greater purpose than money certainly playwrights of the past would have engaged, though what about direct engagement, for understanding to model the situation and evaluate it as only theater can do, to create other atmospheres that capture these situations and make what is ineffable due to abstractness tangible, realized, understood, and relatable through use of actors and storytelling and stage and props, scenery my contribution to this, as a structural idea for plays about surveillance society, free for use as a concept: that a stage with one person, at other times two people (or more) could exist as if on a basketball court, whereby bleachers would exist on either side of the main area 1) this could involve a central stage with two bleacher wings, splayed out facing an audience as if vanishing perspective 2) else it could be an actual school gymnasium with large bleachers where a theatric performance takes place see: concept for stage design and structure for play https://www.dropbox.com/s/pic7z1x1sqdj8az/concept.gif here is the idea. people in the bleachers are surveillers, they may either sit on the sidelines, and then aspects of the play could move in parallel in these other dimensions (geospatial, store tracking, license scanning, credit card history, database mining and advertising, listening to calls and keyword mapping, metadata, tracking receipts, etc) in version 1 (above) they would then be functioning the _background, otherwise invisible to the people in the center of their daily lives, behind this hidden threshold of rules, laws, language that forbids understanding of this condition at the same time it defines the existence and actions of the people warping or skew of data, the hypocrisy of tracking details by companies or reselling of data, public-private profit strategies, extortion, blackmail, political abuse, marketing, web adverts, social network mapping, any of this commentary introduced into this position of the actors at center stage as they relate with others, such as using the phone or a computer, as this links to people or topics, 'feedback' as various events occur in version 2 (above) the same dynamics could occur though with plants in the audience, sitting amongst others in the bleachers, perhaps people wearing all black suits, dark glasses, holding strange equipment, and instructions for those in the bleachers to relay messages (the telephone game) where a signal is passed along regular routes and thus input is transformed by output, then passing this data back into the play, as improvisation. for instance, a "secret" could be passed into the bleachers by an informant, and then by a defined route, 10 or 15 people in a given line or sequence (marked by graphics) could be part of this flow of data, having to relay what they heard one to the next, to get the data to the black suited mystery people, and thus the message they receive is then output as signal back into the play, to those center stage or others who are inacting with it, such that 'traveling to sign-ville' then becomes 'unraveling the dollar bill' when later output, etc thus, this kind of conceptual format would allow creative expression and exploration of issues, perhaps it would be best and most informed by technical consultation with privacy or security and-or other experts, including data from those surveilled, such that a larger sense of what this involves could be sketched for citizens so that its impact and importance could be gauged in a context of daily living, to what extent this data gathering and this tracking and watching is going on, and what principles it is currently be driven by and how laws do not exist that can constrain its functioning against citizens day to day, and that everyday situations involve these dimensions and issues of privacy, security, and such exploitations playwrights have the unique skills to convey such cultural messages and raise consciousness, and do it in a memorable and intriguing and innovative way. where is the equivalent of the Snowden of playwrights, perhaps such a format could be reinterpreted by a dozen or more playwrights, from varying angels or degrees or settings. what if the structure is modular, and can add, subtract, or modify the ideas of other plays using this structure, and thus open or free source the play for interpretative exploration and development. it is the information and the perspective that is important, the truth of what is going on. theaters are places for living ideas, not the continual regurgitation of those dead and lifeless as if highest value or truth. there is missing data of today, who is willing to approach to present and convey what it involves, using all the resources available to transmit important information and ideas, start and sustain the conversation beyond its existing, stifling boundaries freedom does not exist if it is not made use of. and it goes away if seeking permission to do something, because somewhere along the line it may involve risk. but isn't it worth trying to do something and seeing what the real situation is, and then knowing from that, then to not even try, not even do anything, and supposed to know by not taking it on, accepting defeat without ever fighting there have got to be some playwrights willing to take on these issues. if they exist, hopefully so, it would be interesting to see what such plays involve in their content and approaches to conveying and conceptualizing issues of cyberspace, hacking, surveillance, attacks, and so 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blackflag operations
by brian carroll 25 Dec '13

25 Dec '13

// proposed relevant to cypherpunks considerations... at a certain point in my independent research it was realized that the US flag itself represented the existing problem encountered with ideology and rule-following that automatically functions against core principles, such that 'the stars' were of false constellations and 'the stripes' were more those of prison bars, to hold the population captive inside a hierarchical top-down structure, which i equate with a conceptualization in Networks of Power, of system, order, and control [1] as it determines economic, social, political dynamics. thus the US flag, its symbolism, is part of the problem in terms of its rigid adherence, especially in a realm of patriotism and xenophobia, such that it appears to deign reasonable the US as world empire without questioning its own failures or correcting for them, only extending it further outward, which then serves policies the hidden US dictatorship perfectly, as long as silence is upheld and no communication is possible about these issues. (that is, in terms of reasoning of empirical truth as this would be observed by the law as the basis for power, versus making the constitution a relativistic document interpreted via power determining what the signs mean) in this way, so too the powerplant and grid of development that underlines present-day civilization, a centralized and hidden realm of top-down power and control governed by private interests said to function on behalf of the public, yet with little evidence of this within ruins of the planet. in other words: power delivery is related to governance. and how power flows in one-direction and 'represents' certain goals and ideals that do not map into the local issues or shared values beyond a certain framework or mindset that makes monetary profit is greatest truth. and yet truth does not work this way. which is to say, it is not invalidated by ignoring or censoring it out of existence within these domains, it still exists though is isolated, disconnected, and thus loses its power via a false-worldview that takes its place via lies and deception, a shared illusion that is ungrounded yet sustained in a bubble, antihuman in word and deed. in terms of consciousness, much of this is known and experienced day to day, life to life, yet remains uncommunicable due to the loss of language, the absence of connection in realistic terms, about this inhuman condition, the center of civilization becoming that of nothingness, of lost souls at the core of it, this essential vacancy of meaning, devaluing of knowledge beyond what interests and benefits those in authority, and thus a seemingly irrational situation exists and is mediated, one by one, that does not add up nor does it make any sense, part to whole, because all is left is fragmented and misaligned, dumbed down, warped and skewed such that a hall of fun-house mirrors is the limit to daily reflection in status quo relations, as nothing more can be said than some finite limit where the basic situation cannot even be acknowledged, so hostile is the background and near-field effects, that any error or wrong thought could jeopardize survival and force a person into exile or worse, via all-seeing accountants for conformity, verifying and making sure the brain washing is effective, all remain followers of the ideological framework, staying within its confines and so knowing is disconnected for saying or even thinking, people detached from themselves and others and then to awake and find oneself situated in this way; essentially without being, without access to their own true nature or capacity or abilities, instead neutered by what is now convention, via subversion, deception electromagnetism as the context for the US flag then recontextualizes some questions of vexillology [2], in that evaluating the symbolic structure of the flag in its relation to electrical infrastructure as a system of power that extends beyond electricity into issues of politics of the state, including waging of war for natural resources, and likewise systems based on this ordering, visualized in urban and rural artifacts of transmission pylons and distribution poles, then provides further context for the issues of control - including 'surveillance' in this same top-down structure, which serves the hierarchy firstly, to retain its existing historical organization, however hollowed out and corrupted, used as a false-flag op in thinking through issues of endless war in the Middle East and the nonsensical War of Error as it relates to failure of ideas to govern state actions and instead submission to faith in leadership and hidden policies and political agendas, antihuman in ideology and nature, due to their inaccuracy, loss of capacity in thinking and language that then functions against citizens and life, instead of on behalf of these -- this situation then becoming 'source code' and program based on flawed and wrong-minded processing of actions, using, relying upon, exploiting loopholes in the US constitution as basis for what is possible, this becoming morality and ethics and its own truth, the danger of action being untethered from grounded reasoning and instead FAITH-BASED in ideology of rightness, with no remaining checks and balances after the orchestrated power grab, post-coup (41) in which the state is opposed to truth that does not serve and submit to this hidden agenda as highest what have you then, as a citizen in this situation, do you benefit or are your days numbered as you wait, channeled into the correct chutes for awaiting cattle cars, death panels and Obamacare first steps enough is enough, sanity must regain its place, and reason based in grounded truth must be secured for anything other than this automatic decline to continue into a realm of pure hate and unrestrained evil, driven by the state in its godless construction and operation in this way, US Blackflag operations were called for to regain control over the state and its actions via an emergency measure built into the constitution that allows a constitutional convention to be called if or when the state goes off course due to legal guidelines once written yet which function against the very principles they stand for and thus, to raise the Blackflag as the symbol and sign of this human citizen, to reclaim control over the shared state and its governance, and remove the existing US flag from its role as oppressor of its own and other populations, in that the truth of the US Constitution has become decoupled from its accounting in logic, beyond that of shared opinion within language (sign=sign based pattern matching), such that the views 'believed' are ideological, based and reliant upon ever shifting relativism that maps to motives of power & authority over this process of interpretation, as institutionalized, this the very structure of society, politics, economics, yet within a bubble view that cannot be falsified, contested, debated even (see: closed, onesided mass media), and this as the authority, the 'mind' at the top of the machinery, that sees and observes everything in this warped, unreal self-serving viewpoint, that what is good for it is the best for everybody, any number of rationalizations reinforcing this viewpoint, and yet no error correction anywhere allowed, especially in a legal context, because truth itself has been outlawed thus the ability to critique or correct the malfunctioning of the state is an impossibility, given the loss of reasoning that no longer relies upon empirical truth for verification and validation of processes, and instead 'shared belief' and a 'superior knowing' takes this place, without anchor to truth outside a binary simplism, yet beyond correction for its errors, because they can be ignored, denied, and the other side destroyed, as is necessitated ideologically; one side must lose for the other side to win, these "rules" blackflag would counter this coup and takeover of the state by a hostile invading population by regaining legal control over its decision-making and accounting for events in terms of accountable truth, not allowing secrecy and privilege to stand-in for assurances of 'good intentions' underneath it all, at the same time those opposed to institutionalized criminality are being weeded out of civilization one by one, via surveillance and attacks against basic existence and subsistence, those of the traitorous state having been empowered by the takeover to go the next step, the purging of dissenters and dissidents, of any who threaten their agenda, privatizing the public realm and denying services to those not of their shared demographic in this way, so too, US taxes serving this group primarily as others go without or are attacked by these same services, health care becoming administering of disease and death, social services to increase helplessness and incapacitation, maximizing profits while engineering conditions impossible to survive, thus crushing the life out of those at the bottom and making each year more difficult than the last, death as if a gift, it cannot arrive early enough, genocide as if mercy my first attempt at conveying these ideas was to recolor the US flag as all black while retaining its stars and stripes as the structure[3]. the problem with this was that it revealed the ideological formatting of the state, in its rigid lines and ordering that are the manifestation of this corruption of the historic compact between individuals & larger organization, and how governance at the top requires imprisoning those below, as part of the warped structural dynamics relied upon and thus injustice built-into the system, its foundation, this notably in 'mankind' as the shared identity, this privatized viewpoint scaled to the public allowing any individual to act in pure selfishness without regard or responsibility to others- this enshrined in law, outdated as viewpoint, 'the public' does not exist in this state beyond an 18 century notion, and this is exactly how this corruption is allowed operate today, by not acknowledging this condition and correcting it in law- which requires logic, 3-value and N-value logic, to prove the binarist viewpoint wrong though also immoral, illegal, unethical, and yet this very 'reasoning' is forbidden today. i began to sew, having a black nylon technical fabric, the goal being to generate a more accurate structure for the flag that would reflect or in some way represent the actual dynamics of truth within society, these ideals and principles of the US constitution in a shared human context, where both men and women are equal as citizens, and that people operate in different conditions yet function together as part of a larger dynamic, an ecosystem that becomes the state via a decentralized and distributed organization, scaling from local to national if global contexts, conditions, situations, aligned via shared dimensions, truth as value the flag that resulted [4] has a slightly different symbology. there are many stars, points of light, though some of these become larger stars via their connected patterning (that is, points connect or scale up into larger star structures, and some may be separated at any moment & other combined) the goal was to demonstrate that constellations of people or ideas can form, amongst points of individuals, organize into patterned structures that form a basis for shared order, and while in the photograph of the flag it is not visible, there are various regions or boundaries for these relations/events, where some of these points and stars exist within the same limits and others exist beyond or outside a given threshold. (there were additional close-up photos though i do not have most any of my work archived, though the language of the zigzag stitching defined these various regional boundaries, that then translates into near or far within larger ecosystem) add to this then the linking or networking of these 'stars', that for me are based on the butterfly paper clamp and also on the star as a high-voltage transmission pylon or tower, in this way, structural interconnections can be conceptualized as -p-o-w-e-r-l-i-n-e-s- and also as the invisible lines that link together constellations invisibility mapping out the night sky as stars and structures relate, and capture or model meaning, to include helping with navigation, awareness, and worldview in this sense pattern recognition is structural, foundational, and connections and relations between people in shared truth is this larger empirical awareness, emerging from relativistic scenarios, as truth is aligned amongst people and related to and through, in changing dynamics, shared state as circuitry and information processor, logical reasoning and organization, this _ground-up leveling of awareness, ideas, intent, action, virtue, truth, justice, development, higher purpose, ideals in this way, so too, power delivery, locally to regionally and how it scales based upon its shared relation with truth and those who serve it, as this contrasts with the US flag and its institutionalization where such dynamics are disallowed, and people are silenced in these relations, truth vanquished, something else taking hold, terrorizing citizens in its place this call for the blackflag to rise and replace the corrupt US government by legal means, regaining control of the failed state via constitutional right, then is a challenge to the reigning falsity that rules and politically 'governs', using its power against citizens to secure its power indefinitely, relying on illegal means and methods beyond accountability due to secrecy and privacy that only applies to oppressors, while such protections are removed for enemies and used to exploit and force the downfall of those who live here the language then may become shared, that yes, such high insanity must be acknowledged and thus the charade can be further extended to allow continuing control as these subversive others continue to attempt to control the reins of state action, at any cost. and thus mimicry could exist that seeks to 'represent' this cause via a traditional mindset that is corrupted by ideology and "believes" something other than what is said, serves some unacknowledged agenda or view, that is only camouflaged by the flag, and thus is assumed to retain control, whatever the shifting dynamics by relying on the same structures to persist, whatever the new color in this way, the blackflag yet another false flag for these traitors who would exist alongside those involved, grounded within this structural awareness of truth, its transparent and logical accounting beyond skewed binary onesidedness. a realm of imposters, mimics, cheats and frauds thus would continue and yet to juxtapose, compare and contrast these dynamics, it should be clear that 'the rationale' is entirely different for these two flags [5], they are not the same idea, and do not sustain the same beliefs, principles, or ordering they are actually set against one another in this very moment, as changes begin to be wrought and pressures exist that still constrain such actions, based upon resistance, power and authority based on forbidding what is best for human citizenry the ideological grid of the present is a cage, a prison camp purpose-built for human holocaust whereby truth is denied and eventually outlawed, nonexistence as the present day, people trapped and existing inside an illusion, not living, only trying to sustain themselves, keep breathing in the cemetery in this condition, this separation into many, the individual parts begin communicating, realize connections in grounded truth that establish this empirical framework needed, and it involves taking down the walls built by the state, its prison bar stripes and false-stars and false-constellations based on emulation, the state as hollywood movie production, leaders as actors playing a role on the world stage, versus addressing issues that exist and being held accountable for such 'representation' driven by taxation that grows this machinery while seeking to extinguish citizens inside who do not obey or are the enemy of those with power. that is what can be seen within various signs and symbols, language, calculus, patterns & geometry the difference between these flags is the difference between ideas and ideology, shared truth versus shared falsity and lies, freedom versus imprisonment, responsibility versus greed and unfettered selfishness, duty in opposition to vanity and frivolity, the network versus the grid, being vs. nothingness, humanity versus antihumans, individuals vs. institutions, democracy of human citizens versus corporate democracy, empirical reality versus relativistic madness, and philosophy versus psychiatry the existing US flag is the embodiment of politics that replace the truth with its antithesis which becomes a basis for power, the blackflag is all about governance, between people who create and compose the larger state via empirical reasoning that is based in truth, accounted for and error corrected by logic, and held accountable and required to change, improve its functioning, not given the right to ignore its obligations to people, life, nature, and the larger order it is situated within the delivery of power will one day arrive, deliverance from this corrupted condition, within a organized coherent agenda that regains control over this automated machinery serving wrong principles and wrong ideas and wrong thinking and beliefs. there are two orders, represented by these flags. one of them is aligned with falsity and serves it for its own benefit. the other serves truth, firstly and wholeheartedly. it is about how the constitution of a person aligns with those around them and how this scales and relates and is represented by the state. the false have their flag. recoloring it is not going to change anything structural, which is required for the oppression and exploitation to continue. it can only and must be destroyed as an institutionalized structure to regain control over the failed state, as the US constitution outlines and allows. the nature of truth is conceptualized in the other flag, its blackness has depth and grounding in principles that reflect those of its people and those who sacrifice and serve, for greater truth and higher principles than the base and monetary as if the meaning of life eternal in other words, no longer will the body govern over the mind, no longer will the grid determine the network, nor ideology the truth of ideas. and indeed there is a binary condition that exists in this situation- between truth and pseudo-truth, where actual truth grounds to 1 and pseudo-truth to falsity (0). in this way there is only one value, it is truth. all or nothing. the US state needs to be brought under constitutional control, destroy the existing dictatorship, and draft a new constitution i for one stand against the ongoing criminality of the state and vote the military take control of its functioning to secure its actions from those hostile to human citizens and our future [1] Networks of Power - Thomas P. Hughes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_P._Hughes [2] Vexillology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vexillology [3] black US flag https://www.dropbox.com/s/wyazpebuo9ilzjd/usflag_black.jpg [4] blackflag https://www.dropbox.com/s/m66fp09796k4h6x/blackflag.jpg [5] dual black flags https://www.dropbox.com/s/s3vw6pbrmbl8v2q/dual_blackflag.jpg Alexander Calder 1974 stabile Black Flag http://vintagehudsonvalley.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/stormking-031811.jpg…

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The next gen P2P secure email solution
by grarpamp 25 Dec '13

25 Dec '13

On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Jeremie Miller <jeremie.miller(a)gmail.com> wrote: > This thread seems pretty immense and in various places, what's the best way to contribute to it? > > I'm pretty keen on the topic, been working on /real/ p2p infrastructure for 5+ years now :) I'm not sure that it has a proper home. I do not suggest metzdowd, which is where I think you picked it up. cypherpunks has the most thread content to date. Though p2p-hackers is perhaps best for now unless anyone else has a better idea? ie: another p2p centric list with a good bit of anonymity and crypto representation. p2p-hackers is having delivery issues at the moment so maybe continue to cc cypherpunks for another week till that is sorted out.

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Re: [cryptography] The next gen P2P secure email solution
by grarpamp 24 Dec '13

24 Dec '13

On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 5:03 AM, Natanael <natanael.l(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Somebody in there mentioned allowing IPv6 addressing on top of I2P/Tor. That > would be Garlicat/Onioncat. It creates a local virtual IPv6 network > interface for your software to use, so that you can map key based addresses > to routable local addresses. > > https://www.onioncat.org/about-onioncat/ It is worth noting that Phantom does this natively without needing an overlay on top of another net. It may also use disk to cache some network information, at least their whitepaper says they are 'for' making that choice. Perhaps it can be scaled? https://code.google.com/p/phantom

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Re: [p2p-hackers] [Cryptography] Size of the PGP userbase?
by grarpamp 24 Dec '13

24 Dec '13

Send things to the list, not me. On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Bill Broadley <bill(a)broadley.org> wrote: > On 12/16/2013 12:01 AM, grarpamp wrote: >>> You may have a look of "I2P Bote" it is severless, encrypted mail >>> system, address is the public key, P2P based... nice tool. >> >> As in another post of mine, I'll be looking at that again. >> My first take was that it stores the messages in the DHT, >> which didn't seem scalable or reliable at all. I may be >> wrong as I read more later. > > I feel like I walking in halfway into a conversation, I'm guessing this > started on the cryptography list that I'm not on. > > Your DHT comment caught my attention though. What in particular about > DHTs don't seem scalable or reliable? > > Seems like DHTs are regularly in the 5-10M range and I don't see any > reason that DHTs couldn't be 10 times that. > > Any reasonable churn rate and reliability could be handled with > replication. The bit-torrent DHT for instance claims that 45% of users > that bootstrap from a central node are reachable 15 minutes later. So > typical setups involve 8 nodes per bin, and 20 bins. So every 15 > minutes you ping 160 hosts, only reach 45%, and do some work to > repopulate the missing slots. > > Given the simplicity of the bit-torrent DHT I think there's plenty of > room for improvement. Larger routing tables are obvious (at the cost of > more network bandwidth to track peers). > > The most promising idea for DHT improvements I've seen is to divide > peers into 3 latency groups. High, medium, and low. Much like L1 > cache, L2 cache, and main memory. That way common queries are very > fast, yet all queries still to find keys globally.

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Re: [Cryptography] HSBC's Password Approach: Impressive
by grarpamp 23 Dec '13

23 Dec '13

> They are being pretty clever to make up for terribly endpoint security. Yeah, all that might work for non brick and mortar stuff you maybe care about, say email [1], and your fave pornsite. But really... you need to be able to demand a hardware OTP token from your bank and brokerage... plenty of cheap open hw exists for that, not RSA, ahem. Any B&M's that don't offer hw are just using 'clever' obfuscation or cost reduction around the issue of real security. But since they already cost reduced that nice 4-7% interest they used to pay you, don't expect this anytime soon. Unless they figure with real security they could then twist responsibility for that account wiping transaction to uganda... on you. [1] Outlook.com uses that stupid 'no cut/paste' thing, worthless and annoying as fuck for those of us who use real password safes with real random unmemorizable passwords.

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re: stu-iii type4 included; Key Gen Servers; TEMPEST; CMW.....
by Joseph Tag 23 Dec '13

23 Dec '13

I am reminded that Gretag AG ( Swiss ) now Gretacode/Omnisec made type 4 STU-3 ; partner of U.S. company Datotek ( Farmers Branch / Realty Rd; Dallas TX ) : modified the CSD-4100 phone. Now see http://www.tccsecure.comWest Concord MA USA. TCC and Datotek were arch rivals and Datotek buckled. Datotek founded by ex Texas Instruments folks. Also be aware of Motorola Sectel 9600. It is wild how Govt influences others! IBM , DEC-Digital Equipment Corp, HP, Data General, SUN ( now Oracle ) , Wang Labs all made TEMPEST terminals and other equipment. Best wishes to all. End. -- Sent from Gmail Mobile

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Alan Turing Pardoned by Queen Elizabeth II
by John Young 23 Dec '13

23 Dec '13

<http://cryptome.org/2013/12/turing-pardon.pdf>http://cryptome.org/2013/12/turing-pardon.pdf

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Acoustic Cryptanalysis: Extracting RSA Key From GnuPG by capturing Computer Sound
by Jelle De Taeye 23 Dec '13

23 Dec '13

Thought this could be interesting: http://thehackernews.com/2013/12/acoustic-cryptanalysis-extracting-rsa.html Paper: http://www.tau.ac.il/~tromer/papers/acoustic-20131218.pdf

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Re: FYI
by John Young 23 Dec '13

23 Dec '13

At 12:39 PM 12/22/2013, you wrote: >i was accessing this site for months, based on >frontpage cryptome recommendation. is it spoofed? > >https://secure.netsolhost.com/cryptome.org/index.html No, it's legit. We don't promote it to avoid entrapping believers in https. Go there are your peril same as the quicksand quagmire. Just to confess, we don't have control of our ISP servers, thus warn of what is happening behind impossible security promises from us to others. Warning seldom heeded so powerful is the PR for online protection fantasies. Few people have control of what their sites are used for. Thus the cosmetic policy privacies which conceal abuse bruises. Not as bad as 24x7x365 top security staff outfoxed by Snowdens, similars and betters not doing what Ed did, or is said to do, or misunderstood to do, or is doing now under the noses of the explainers, investigators, spoofers, black marketers, the usual stabbers, slashees, hackes, punks, investors and angels. This is not limited to Windows, applies to all software and hardware and networks and whatchagot there air-gapped, padlocked, SCIFed, totally secure, as the Snowden hoarders brag, believing wierdly that what Snowden did will never happen to them, or has already happened, or happened on 0-day.

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