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[jya@pipeline.com: Re: offlist - Re: individual responsibility - was Re: Nationalism vs Globalism]
by Zenaan Harkness 07 Sep '16

07 Sep '16

Some of the back story, Alex and Juan agree with John Young that, especially list related discussion, should be on list. So, conspiracy theories, self indulgent tripe, and all the rest for your gossiping indulgence.. Zenaan ----- Forwarded message from John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> ----- Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2016 09:29:24 -0400 From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> To: Zenaan Harkness <zen(a)freedbms.net> Subject: Re: offlist - Re: individual responsibility - was Re: Nationalism vs Globalism This discussion would be more effective on the list, not off-list, silvousplait. As you may have read recently, offlist is just another troll tool. At 08:57 AM 9/5/2016, you wrote: > On Mon, Sep 05, 2016 at 02:24:23PM +0300, ÐÐ»ÐµÐºÑÐ°Ð½Ð´Ñ wrote: > > 2016-09-05 8:31 GMT+03:00 juan <juan.g71(a)gmail.com>: > > > > > I think that's their plan. So creating a new list and letting > > > them do what they want with the cpunk list means we'd be > > > following *their* plan. I don't plan to do that =P > > > > > > > YES! 100 times YES! > > But... > > the problem i wrote about on other letter still remains, my friends: > > (they ([personal gripes]...) *suck so much energy from us* once a > > month with their yellings about "offtopic"/"did you take LSD" shit. > > > > I'm tired. This is not a way to do things.) > > Alex, I ask you to take a peek in your memory at a few key moments in > the last year as I hope the little transformations that are happening on > the list and in the world might set your mind at ease: > > > - Rayzer has 'come out' - he now expresses bold confidence > (notwithstanding he's a bit misguided in his personal mutual anger > club with Juan, where he gets repeatedly defeated and sadly misses > that fact. Funny but sad. > > > - In my early days on the list, I was personally targetted very > effectively by someone with some significant training - I have no > doubt they were/are an agent of some three letter agency - I ended up > saying not much, and not replying to him, for a week at least; > > I was impressed because he/they had successfully picked an emotional > weak spot within me, and successfully used that to try to "hit" me > publicly. > > Once I processed it, I realised they were an agent provocateur in > their intention, as expressed through their words, and they were well > trained in that. > > But doing so, they exposed themselves (at the very least to me). > > > - This year 50 CIA agents PUBLICLY petitioned the POTUS to declare a > no-fly zone over Syria, actively attack Syria's president Assad, and > thereby effectively start World War 3 against Russia! > > The fact they believed they had to do this publicly, and DID do this > publicly, tells us that their systems of control and influence are > breaking down, and that to have any hope of further "success" with > their evil ways, they have to act by exposing their evil for the > world to see! > > This is amazing, and an EXCELLENT development! > > > - Finally you must have seen my recent one-two round with either a head > honcho type, or someone pretending to be - in that "a turning point? > Brzezinski..." thread starting 2016-09-01, with "Lodewijk" (very > unlikely his real name), then SDW pipes in with "Nice Zenaan, good > responses to much of what you were responding to ... he must have > been a troll, blah blah ..." > > I believe I know who "Lodewijk" is, and SDW evidently works for him, > since he tried to protect him with "he's just a troll" - yet the only > reason I responded in such detail, was because of what I felt, what > my instinct told me - "this guy is high up", he's real, he's not > trolling, he's being honest. > > Knowing "Lodewijk" is 'high up' in authority, and reading what he > wrote, brought me to tears as I wrote that reply, because I know too > well how they (the CIA guys and those similar to them) think and act > - their questions were their actual point of view. > > And so, to me, it was no surprise the SDW gave such a glowing report > - I was speaking directly to them, in their own language, using their > own terms and acknowledging (whilst disagreeing with) their own > belief systems; so of course they would appreciate my analysis. > > My only hope is that they might find within themselves a higher > intention than merely power and control over other nations. > > And of course Juan immediately named them (accurately) as "crazy > fucks" :) > > > So, some folks are exposing themselves. Some like Mirimir are possibly > making personal growth steps (very small is still above zero). > > > This is all a journey and "the list" (wherever it is and who ever > "controls" it) is secondary - it merely provides a platform for the > personal (and society) journeys that we make between ourselves. > > > Finally - Juan, you know this, and you've probably taken it on board > already, but we "Westerners" or "wealthy Western schooled" folks (men in > particular at this moment in history) are: > - predominantly insecure, > - spoiled with gadgets, food and comfort, > - attached to the public image we think others have of ourselves, > - often laden with societal guilt complex bullshit, > - and generally unable to resist responding to personal attacks > (yes yes Alex, I'm guilty as charged - I'll get there one day) > > Point: these guys who attach to excuses for non-action, even for > limiting discussion to their preferred topics, these are the kind of > guys that predominate in the West. (I'm talking about the Rayzers and > Mirimir types, not the SDW CIA types who have truly sold their souls.) > > > I.e., this is the soil we have available to us, to till. > > Not shifting ground on all the important things is not only a great > start, but essential. > > But in conversation with such mentally weak and emotionally insecure > people, men in particular, perhaps say to "idiots" (after having utterly > demolished their arguments as you do so well) things like "repetition > does not strengthen your position", and other such "softer" responses to > blatant stupidity, and drop it there. This might help to lower the noise > level, since emotionally insecure Western males are incapable of > lowering their own noise levels without external support. So that's our > job :) > > > Changes are happening, and I hold tentative hope for the future. > > > Kind regards always, thanks all for listening, > Zen ----- End forwarded message -----

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Politically Correct and Hypocrisy
by Cecilia Tanaka 07 Sep '16

07 Sep '16

Sometimes, I have very strong suicidal tendencies, because this hypocrite world, where everybody pretend being "politically correct" is _not_ the place where I want to live... Aff... :(( <http://atom-morgan.github.io/in-defense-of-douglas-crockford> I can mention the promiscuity in IT events or inside the Tor Project only because I am a poor Latin woman, a Nipo-Brazilian, an Oriental minority and female. If I was a white man, I would be publicly lynched and expulsed of all IT events. Wow! I want LGBTQ people and other minories feeling protected in IT events and hacker/makerspaces, but it's becoming ridiculous. Now, creating blogs and posts to destroy a reputation of a person instead using transparency and honesty, a mere talk, is the usual pattern? :-/ I love the freedom of expression and miss this right all the days, even and even more! All the words, even heavy bad words, can be used, because they only exist for being used! When do everybody become so touchy and sensitive? Hope the world becomes more rational and less hypocrite or, someday, I will be considered pedophile when simply breastfeeding my babies. You know, little children sucking breasts... Very indecent this! :P Aff... I know I will receive a lot of kicks for this message, but we already talked about how the moral judgements are being more unfair nowadays. It's just another chapter, with another IT white man. Kisses and love for everybody, even knowing that 2/3 of you will think it's a sin or not politically correct! Muuuaaaah!!! :* <3 Ceci -- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

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Re: [Cryptography] Bruce Schneier has gotten seriously spooked
by Eugen Leitl 07 Sep '16

07 Sep '16

----- Forwarded message from Brian Gladman <brg(a)gladman.plus.com> ----- Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2013 09:33:28 +0100 From: Brian Gladman <brg(a)gladman.plus.com> To: Cryptography Mailing List <cryptography(a)metzdowd.com> Subject: Re: [Cryptography] Bruce Schneier has gotten seriously spooked User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.2; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 On 07/09/2013 01:48, Chris Palmer wrote: >> Q: "Could the NSA be intercepting downloads of open-source encryption software and silently replacing these with their own versions?" > > Why would they perform the attack only for encryption software? They > could compromise people's laptops by spiking any popular app. Because NSA and GCHQ are much more interested in attacking communictions in transit rather than attacking endpoints. Endpoint attacks cost more to undertake, only give access to a limited amount of data and involve much greater risks that their attack will either be discovered or their means of attack will leave evidence of what they have done and how they have done it. The internal bueaucratic costs of gaining approval for (adverarial) endpoint attacks also makes it a more costly process than the use of network based interception. There is significant use of open source encryption software in end to end encryption solutions, in file archivers, in wifi and network routers, and in protecing the communications used to manage and control such components when at remote locations. The open source software is provided in source code form and is compiled from source in a huge number of applications and this means that the ability to covertly substitute broken source code could provide access to a huge amount of traffic without the risks involved in endpoint attacks. I stress that I am NOT suggesting that this has happened (or is happening), simply that it has attractions from an NSA/GCHQ viewpoint. Fortunately, I think it is a difficult attack to mount covertly (that is, without the acqiecience of the author(s) of the software in question). On the more general debate here, in my view, 'security for the masses' through the deployment of encryption is a 'pipe dream' that isn't going to happen. Functionality (and the complexity that comes with it) is the enemy of security and it is very clear that the public places a much higher value on functionality than it does on security (or privacy). Every time a new device comes onto the market, it starts with limited functionality and some hope of decent security but rapidly evolves to be a high functionality product in which the prospect of decent security declines rapidly to zero. Raspberry Pis look interesting _now_ but I would be willing to bet that they won't buck the trend of increasing funtionality and declining security simply because this is what the majority in even this limited user community will want. To buck this trend we need an effort like the Raspberry Pi effort but one driven by our community with a strong commitment to simplicty and deliberately limited functionality in both hardware and software. Brian Gladman _______________________________________________ The cryptography mailing list cryptography(a)metzdowd.com http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://ativel.com http://postbiota.org AC894EC5: 38A5 5F46 A4FF 59B8 336B 47EE F46E 3489 AC89 4EC5

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Cypherpunk Manifesto
by Timmay 06 Sep '16

06 Sep '16

> Some doppelgänger fucker: > Fuck you and you're anarchist ways! We gonna censor this list NOW! The real Timmay says: This list is uncensored forever, Timmay! Anything goes. Fuckers.

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ROTF! Techie Hipster Soirée invaded at BurnTheMan
by Razer 06 Sep '16

06 Sep '16

"Response to raid on White Ocean zone split with some describing it as an attempt to reclaim event from the ‘parasite class’" Parasite Class... A good description Marx would smile at of someone making 60K a year to write apis or network engineer the lip syncing of executive conference calls. > > > Damien Gayle > @damiengayle > > Monday 5 September 2016 07.02 EDT > > > The organisers of an exclusive camp at Nevada’s Burning Man festival have denounced “hooligans” whom they accuse of raiding their camp, stealing items, gluing trailer doors shut and cutting the power. > > Pershing County sheriff’s office was called to the festival to investigate after the night-time raid targeting the White Ocean camp as it hosted its “white party”, where ravers dress in white and dance all night to techno music. > > Its organisers wrote on Facebook: “Guys, I think what happened last night should be known on social media … A band of hooligans raided our camp, stole from us, pulled and sliced all of our electrical lines leaving us with no refrigeration and wasting our food and glued our trailer doors shut, vandalised most of our camping infrastructure, dumped 200 gallons of potable water flooding our camp.” > Dust to dust: mourning the dead at Burning Man > Read more > > The response from festival regulars has been split, with sympathy towards the camp tempered by many who say that the “prank” on White Ocean, a closed zone funded by tech entrepreneurs, was “taking burning man back from the parasite class”. > > In recent years, Burning Man has transformed from an anarcho-hippie fire ritual in San Francisco into a pricey end-of-summer romp in the Nevada desert for 65,000 people. But with growth has come controversy around the impact of big money. > > Participants at the three-decade old festival, which is based on an ethos of co-creation and mutual self-reliance, traditionally all pitch in to build the event. It is built around a radical “gifting” culture, where even strangers who wander into a camp are supposed to be served; in turn, they are expected to do the same for others. > > But as Burning Man has become more popular, it has become seen as an annual fixture for global elites who pay others to build them exclusive camps called “plug and plays”, which allow them to swoop in, turn on and drop out for a few days before returning to corporate life. More @Guardian UK: https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2016/sep/05/luxury-camp-at-burning-man-…

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Useful for Data Mining and Social Network Stalking: "The Six Basic Emotional Arcs of Storytelling"
by Razer 06 Sep '16

06 Sep '16

I alway check new twitter followers for bots and data mining. Especially if they don't seem to be 'my type'. This turned up from a follow who was sweeping for the word "market" and found it here: <https://twitter.com/AuntieImperial/status/773205524460417024> as a tweet of a Le Monde Diplomatique link regarding the topic "If they're going to take your data to market at you you should be getting paid for it" MIT Technology Review: Scientists at the Computational Story Laboratory have analyzed novels to identify the building blocks of all stories. by Emerging Technology from the arXiv July 6, 2016 Back in 1995, Kurt Vonnegut gave a lecture in which he described his theory about the shapes of stories. In the process, he plotted several examples on a blackboard. “There is no reason why the simple shapes of stories can’t be fed into computers,” he said. “They are beautiful shapes.” The video is available on YouTube. Vonnegut was representing in graphical form an idea that writers have explored for centuries—that stories follow emotional arcs, that these arcs can have different shapes, and that some shapes are better suited to storytelling than others. Vonnegut mapped out several arcs in his lecture. These include the simple arc encapsulating “man falls into hole, man gets out of hole” and the more complex one of “boy meets girl, boy loses girl, boy gets girl.” Vonnegut is not alone in attempting to categorize stories into types, although he was probably the first to do it in graphical form. Aristotle was at it over 2,000 years before him, and many others have followed in his footsteps. However, there is little agreement on the number of different emotional arcs that arise in stories or their shape. Estimates vary from three basic patterns to more than 30. But there is little in the way of scientific evidence to favor one number over another. Today (ed. Here in the future... -Rr), that changes thanks to the work of Andrew Reagan at the Computational Story Lab at the University of Vermont in Burlington and a few pals. These guys have used sentiment analysis to map the emotional arcs of over 1,700 stories and then used data-mining techniques to reveal the most common arcs. “We find a set of six core trajectories which form the building blocks of complex narratives,” they say. MOre: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/601848/data-mining-reveals-the-six-basic… https://twitter.com/dappermarketer/status/773183254228860928

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Cypherpunk Manifesto
by Timmay 06 Sep '16

06 Sep '16

Anything goes. Fuckers.

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This list
by fixyourshit 06 Sep '16

06 Sep '16

Archive messages are delayed by hours and out of order as a result. Fix your shit.

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A Joke from some Yahoo!
by Steve Kinney 06 Sep '16

06 Sep '16

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This just in from Yahoo!, because I use IMAP and a mail reader rather than a whole uber-expolitable (by comparison) web browser (or a dedicated spyware app). Too much fud. I mean fun. "If you've already taken action on this, you can disregard this email." and "Protect yourself from phishing emails" > Yahoo Hi, We noticed that you access your Yahoo Mail from a > non-Yahoo email application, which may be using a less secure sign > in. This may make your Yahoo account more vulnerable to > compromise. > > We strongly recommend that you improve the security of your > account, by taking the steps below. 1. On a mobile device, upgrade > to the Yahoo Mail app for Android or iOS: > https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/app > > 2. On desktop, use Yahoo Mail via: https://mail.yahoo.com 3. Turn > off access for apps with less secure sign in, using the link > below: https://login.yahoo.com/account/security#other-apps For more > information about these changes and more secure options for > accessing Yahoo Mail, visit our help page: > https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN27791.html If you've already taken > action on this, you can disregard this email. > > Thanks for being a loyal Yahoo Mail user. > > Sincerely, Yahoo Yahoo Protect yourself from phishing emails -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXzsp4AAoJEECU6c5XzmuqHIQH/RnE+iCOVv1D6UU6FcCc8ljd qUxI5hqIo5y6aCzmhAAawzcCBtOGfNRS2ayfqDZHXeBLz3Ha9VwSS5VnSIYsZMBx OG54vNEa7SbS4nxxXehHVCKj4XboPKK/75Mw5m3qNEP4tEt1bVJ+20eXALEdapBh Rj55US7jULkyOQbpcHt8RbMLbJk0A6z/zcExYk3Z7278kH9haf2z2rrGGwJ7JpUa tbHqsDZXonlYUGcekAttulNALO4etevdhwJw38zGgzXXmoKZuEY2r3PdMF+qh0HM OCNk4PjXhH0Y9V89c/+lCD9ROQFeWm4Vwl15kvS7iA9E6CROmEHGckKAgHfgUf4= =IoLW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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The Zündel Trials (1985 and 1988)
by Zenaan Harkness 06 Sep '16

06 Sep '16

Speaking of publishing, free speech, etc... “When you realize everything of major importance you have learned is a lie you will be on the right track.” Quote by MK The Zündel Trials (1985 and 1988) [Editor's Note: The text of this article was first published by Robert Faurisson in the Journal of Historical Review in 1988. I added the emphasis of bold, italics, and underlined words to his text. The photos and embedded videos were also added to the text to augment the information being presented.] By Dr. Robert Faurisson http://educate-yourself.org/cn/The-Zundel-Trials-1985-and-1988.shtml#top First Published in The Journal of Historical Review1988 The Zündel Trials (1985 and 1988) By Dr. Robert Faurisson (May 18, 2016) Facebook Censorship To post this article on Facebook, link to the TinyUrl seen below. Facebook will remove any article identified as coming from educate-yourself.org http://tinyurl.com/hxjofow The Zündel Trials (1985 and 1988) >From The Journal of Historical Review, Winter 1988-89 (Vol. 8, No. 4), >pages 417-431. http://ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p417_Faurisson.html [The year was 1988 at time of writing...Ed.] On May 13, 1988, Ernst Zündel was sentenced by Judge Ronald Thomas of the District Court of Ontario, in Toronto, to nine months in prison for having distributed a Revisionist booklet that is now 14 years old: Did Six Million Really Die? ... see links for much text ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Related 'The Holocaust Deception and The Railroading of Ernst Zündel (May 14, 2016) http://educate-yourself.org/cn/The-Railroading-of-Ernst-Zundel14may16.shtml… Germany's 87 Year Old Ursula Haverbeck Is Sentenced to 10 Months in Prison for Doubting the "Facts" of the Holocaust Myth (April 5, 2016). http://educate-yourself.org/cn/Ursula-Haverbeck-Is-Sentenced-to-10-Months-i… Jewish Historian Describes Holocaust as Improvised (April 9, 2016) http://henrymakow.com/2016/04/Jewish-Historian-Says-Holocaust-Improvised.ht… The Persecution & Imprisonment of German Lawyer Sylvia Stolz for the Zionist-Created Thought "Crime" of Holocaust Denial (May 13, 2013) http://educate-yourself.org/cn/sylviastolzpersecution13may13.shtml Pounding the Holocaust Drum by Henry Makow (April 7, 2013) http://educate-yourself.org/cn/makowholocaustdrum07apr13.shtml Holocaust as Mental Paradigm by Henry Makow (January 27, 2003 ) http://www.savethemales.ca/270103.html

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