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Re: [Cryptography] HSBC's Password Approach: Impressive
by grarpamp 23 Dec '13

23 Dec '13

> They are being pretty clever to make up for terribly endpoint security. Yeah, all that might work for non brick and mortar stuff you maybe care about, say email [1], and your fave pornsite. But really... you need to be able to demand a hardware OTP token from your bank and brokerage... plenty of cheap open hw exists for that, not RSA, ahem. Any B&M's that don't offer hw are just using 'clever' obfuscation or cost reduction around the issue of real security. But since they already cost reduced that nice 4-7% interest they used to pay you, don't expect this anytime soon. Unless they figure with real security they could then twist responsibility for that account wiping transaction to uganda... on you. [1] Outlook.com uses that stupid 'no cut/paste' thing, worthless and annoying as fuck for those of us who use real password safes with real random unmemorizable passwords.

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re: stu-iii type4 included; Key Gen Servers; TEMPEST; CMW.....
by Joseph Tag 23 Dec '13

23 Dec '13

I am reminded that Gretag AG ( Swiss ) now Gretacode/Omnisec made type 4 STU-3 ; partner of U.S. company Datotek ( Farmers Branch / Realty Rd; Dallas TX ) : modified the CSD-4100 phone. Now see http://www.tccsecure.comWest Concord MA USA. TCC and Datotek were arch rivals and Datotek buckled. Datotek founded by ex Texas Instruments folks. Also be aware of Motorola Sectel 9600. It is wild how Govt influences others! IBM , DEC-Digital Equipment Corp, HP, Data General, SUN ( now Oracle ) , Wang Labs all made TEMPEST terminals and other equipment. Best wishes to all. End. -- Sent from Gmail Mobile

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Alan Turing Pardoned by Queen Elizabeth II
by John Young 23 Dec '13

23 Dec '13

<http://cryptome.org/2013/12/turing-pardon.pdf>http://cryptome.org/2013/12/turing-pardon.pdf

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Acoustic Cryptanalysis: Extracting RSA Key From GnuPG by capturing Computer Sound
by Jelle De Taeye 23 Dec '13

23 Dec '13

Thought this could be interesting: http://thehackernews.com/2013/12/acoustic-cryptanalysis-extracting-rsa.html Paper: http://www.tau.ac.il/~tromer/papers/acoustic-20131218.pdf

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Re: FYI
by John Young 23 Dec '13

23 Dec '13

At 12:39 PM 12/22/2013, you wrote: >i was accessing this site for months, based on >frontpage cryptome recommendation. is it spoofed? > >https://secure.netsolhost.com/cryptome.org/index.html No, it's legit. We don't promote it to avoid entrapping believers in https. Go there are your peril same as the quicksand quagmire. Just to confess, we don't have control of our ISP servers, thus warn of what is happening behind impossible security promises from us to others. Warning seldom heeded so powerful is the PR for online protection fantasies. Few people have control of what their sites are used for. Thus the cosmetic policy privacies which conceal abuse bruises. Not as bad as 24x7x365 top security staff outfoxed by Snowdens, similars and betters not doing what Ed did, or is said to do, or misunderstood to do, or is doing now under the noses of the explainers, investigators, spoofers, black marketers, the usual stabbers, slashees, hackes, punks, investors and angels. This is not limited to Windows, applies to all software and hardware and networks and whatchagot there air-gapped, padlocked, SCIFed, totally secure, as the Snowden hoarders brag, believing wierdly that what Snowden did will never happen to them, or has already happened, or happened on 0-day.

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Re: request for transcript: Bruce Schneier and Eben Moglen discuss a post-Snowden Internet
by Juan Garofalo 23 Dec '13

23 Dec '13

more schneier's transcriptions "there are legitimate secrets in there that you actually don't want released - there are - there really are" "a wikileaks style data dump would not be fun for anybody - so that's good" So, this is the guy who says that tor works. Lol.

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Exclusive: Secret contract tied NSA and security industry pioneer
by Jim Bell 23 Dec '13

23 Dec '13

http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-secret-contract-tied-nsa-security-industry-… By Joseph Menn SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - As a key part of a campaign to embed encryption software that it could crack into widely used computer products, the U.S. National Security Agency arranged a secret $10 million contract with RSA, one of the most influential firms in the computer security industry, Reuters has learned. Documents leaked by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden show that the NSA created and promulgated a flawed formula for generating random numbers to create a "back door" in encryption products, the New York Times reported in September. Reuters later reported that RSA became the most important distributor of that formula by rolling it into a software tool called Bsafe that is used to enhance security in personal computers and many other products. Undisclosed until now was that RSA received $10 million in a deal that set the NSA formula as the preferred, or default, method for number generation in the BSafe software, according to two sources familiar with the contract. Although that sum might seem paltry, it represented more than a third of the revenue that the relevant division at RSA had taken in during the entire previous year, securities filings show. The earlier disclosures of RSA's entanglement with the NSA already had shocked some in the close-knit world of computer security experts. The company had a long history of championing privacy and security, and it played a leading role in blocking a 1990s effort by the NSA to require a special chip to enable spying on a wide range of computer and communications products. RSA, now a subsidiary of computer storage giant EMC Corp, urged customers to stop using the NSA formula after the Snowden disclosures revealed its weakness. RSA and EMC declined to answer questions for this story, but RSA said in a statement: "RSA always acts in the best interest of its customers and under no circumstances does RSA design or enable any back doors in our products. Decisions about the features and functionality of RSA products are our own." The NSA declined to comment. The RSA deal shows one way the NSA carried out what Snowden's documents describe as a key strategy for enhancing surveillance: the systematic erosion of security tools. NSA documents released in recent months called for using "commercial relationships" to advance that goal, but did not name any security companies as collaborators. The NSA came under attack this week in a landmark report from a White House panel appointed to review U.S. surveillance policy. The panel noted that "encryption is an essential basis for trust on the Internet," and called for a halt to any NSA efforts to undermine it. Most of the dozen current and former RSA employees interviewed said that the company erred in agreeing to such a contract, and many cited RSA's corporate evolution away from pure cryptography products as one of the reasons it occurred. But several said that RSA also was misled by government officials, who portrayed the formula as a secure technological advance. "They did not show their true hand," one person briefed on the deal said of the NSA, asserting that government officials did not let on that they knew how to break the encryption. STORIED HISTORY View gallery A National Security Agency (NSA) data gathering facility is seen in Bluffdale, about 25 miles (40 km … Started by MIT professors in the 1970s and led for years by ex-Marine Jim Bidzos, RSA and its core algorithm were both named for the last initials of the three founders, who revolutionized cryptography. Little known to the public, RSA's encryption tools have been licensed by most large technology companies, which in turn use them to protect computers used by hundreds of millions of people. At the core of RSA's products was a technology known as public key cryptography. Instead of using the same key for encoding and then decoding a message, there are two keys related to each other mathematically. The first, publicly available key is used to encode a message for someone, who then uses a second, private key to reveal it. From RSA's earliest days, the U.S. intelligence establishment worried it would not be able to crack well-engineered public key cryptography. Martin Hellman, a former Stanford researcher who led the team that first invented the technique, said NSA experts tried to talk him and others into believing that the keys did not have to be as large as they planned. The stakes rose when more technology companies adopted RSA's methods and Internet use began to soar. The Clinton administration embraced the Clipper Chip, envisioned as a mandatory component in phones and computers to enable officials to overcome encryption with a warrant. RSA led a fierce public campaign against the effort, distributing posters with a foundering sailing ship and the words "Sink Clipper!" A key argument against the chip was that overseas buyers would shun U.S. technology products if they were ready-made for spying. Some companies say that is just what has happened in the wake of the Snowden disclosures. The White House abandoned the Clipper Chip and instead relied on export controls to prevent the best cryptography from crossing U.S. borders. RSA once again rallied the industry, and it set up an Australian division that could ship what it wanted. "We became the tip of the spear, so to speak, in this fight against government efforts," Bidzos recalled in an oral history. RSA EVOLVES RSA and others claimed victory when export restrictions relaxed. But the NSA was determined to read what it wanted, and the quest gained urgency after the September 11, 2001 attacks. RSA, meanwhile, was changing. Bidzos stepped down as CEO in 1999 to concentrate on VeriSign, a security certificate company that had been spun out of RSA. The elite lab Bidzos had founded in Silicon Valley moved east to Massachusetts, and many top engineers left the company, several former employees said. And the BSafe toolkit was becoming a much smaller part of the company. By 2005, BSafe and other tools for developers brought in just $27.5 million of RSA's revenue, less than 9% of the $310 million total. "When I joined there were 10 people in the labs, and we were fighting the NSA," said Victor Chan, who rose to lead engineering and the Australian operation before he left in 2005. "It became a very different company later on." By the first half of 2006, RSA was among the many technology companies seeing the U.S. government as a partner against overseas hackers. New RSA Chief Executive Art Coviello and his team still wanted to be seen as part of the technological vanguard, former employees say, and the NSA had just the right pitch. Coviello declined an interview request. An algorithm called Dual Elliptic Curve, developed inside the agency, was on the road to approval by the National Institutes of Standards and Technology as one of four acceptable methods for generating random numbers. NIST's blessing is required for many products sold to the government and often sets a broader de facto standard. RSA adopted the algorithm even before NIST approved it. The NSA then cited the early use of Dual Elliptic Curve inside the government to argue successfully for NIST approval, according to an official familiar with the proceedings. RSA's contract made Dual Elliptic Curve the default option for producing random numbers in the RSA toolkit. No alarms were raised, former employees said, because the deal was handled by business leaders rather than pure technologists. "The labs group had played a very intricate role at BSafe, and they were basically gone," said labs veteran Michael Wenocur, who left in 1999. Within a year, major questions were raised about Dual Elliptic Curve. Cryptography authority Bruce Schneier wrote that the weaknesses in the formula "can only be described as a back door." After reports of the back door in September, RSA urged its customers to stop using the Dual Elliptic Curve number generator. But unlike the Clipper Chip fight two decades ago, the company is saying little in public, and it declined to discuss how the NSA entanglements have affected its relationships with customers. The White House, meanwhile, says it will consider this week's panel recommendation that any efforts to subvert cryptography be abandoned. (Reporting by Joseph Menn; Editing by Jonathan Weber and Grant McCool)

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private sector privacy enhancing technology transition for disillusioned IC employees
by coderman 23 Dec '13

23 Dec '13

if DEA finds meaningful work in legal marijuana[0], will IC community find meaningful work red teaming and supporting privacy enhancing technologies and usable open source crypto? knowing how to break things useful in building systems that are harder to break... 0. "DEA agents finding greener jobs in lucrative legal marijuana industry" http://blog.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/print.html?entry=/2013/12/dea_ag…

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Re: Vegetation Comsec
by John Young 22 Dec '13

22 Dec '13

A characteristic of plants is that because they expect to be eaten, they do not have vital organs, and regenerate parts taken. Thus, if a ciphersystem expected to be broken, it might be able to mend the break, sacrifice parts to protect the whole, without disclosing full content. Surely there is a sytem that already does this. Multi-level security may be close. That a plant cannot move but depends upon absorbing nutrients in its locale or delivered by movable actors -- insects, wind, rain, animals, other plant seeds -- might also suggest a way to protect static machines and networks. Surely that is being done. In both cases parts are sacrificed to movable actors who are deluded to believe they rule over lesser beings which they cannot understand. So where are the eatable broken crypto which regenerates itself without giving up full content, and networks which are protected by use and traffic passing through? Tor might be close to the latter for protecting content but the hardware remains vulnerable. At 05:31 PM 12/22/2013, you wrote: ><jya(a)pipeline.com> wrote: > > > This raises the prospect of using plant capabilities in > > emissions of chemicals and finding nutrients in signaling, > > SIGINT, comsec, infosec and crypto. > > > > Has anyone seen reports on this? Or on chemical transceiving > > for comsec? Public key as a plant with unique biological > > identity which absorbs or emits decrypt signal? The use of insect > > and chemical proxies? > >i think this is actually the model for human beings as conceived >in long ago times, though may be mistaken. in the Middle Ages >or thereafter, the nervous system itself was medically illustrated >as a plant, held within the watery container of the liquid body, in >this way, in the abstract, not unlike a jellyfish with mobile ocean > >// sidenote: could not find visual examples except these: [0]... > >again, if memory serves, perhaps it was Plato who described >also the nature of thought in terms of the brain, its enlightenment, >whereby the roots of the nervous system flower into an open mind >which receives light and nourishment from truth, tracking it this way >as flowers situate themselves according to environment, nutrients > >so the idea of 'plants' and ~enlightenment, 'knowing' as this relates >to truth and essentially grounding informational and physical realms, >perhaps some kind of natural alignment taking place, harmonization >that is organic, an aspect of ecological foundation and its circuitry, >potentially then scaled to the cosmos, especially with regard to the >theories of origins via panspermia [1], ye olde mushroom astronauts, >delivering life onto earth via asteroid or comets, seeding the oceans; >in this way, sentience of octopus, dolphins, their social intelligence >and awareness, consciousness, alike with jellyfish, as if homologue >with pre-embedded state of nervous system for humans, in vitro (?) >prior to final packaging of mammalian biped and adjustable thumbs > >the idea that all life moves towards higher consciousness and that >intelligence and this yearning motivation for greater truth is life, its >force, the trajectory of the grand design from nano- to macro-scale, >issues of culture, freedom, war, occurring at all scales, to survive, >conquer, for what means and ends, what principles, or darkness if >bounded by the false, those who serve it, obey it as if the master. > >here cybernetic feedback likewise at all interconnected levels else >its incapacitation, making the living captive to those ceasing to live, >to grow, to evolve beyond existing constraints, limited beliefs, ideas. >the fix of ideology the danger, wrong assumptions and modeling or >subversion of view and awareness to contain, trap, mislead, control > >so the idea of information related to intelligence connected with this >condition of LIFE, perhaps related also to plants and awareness, of >a natural condition of sentience even, perhaps, as biome, as with >the Gaia hypothesis of earth as supraorganism, living entity unto >itself as a larger totality or 'living ecosystem', [2] Earth as being. > >i think also the book A Guide for the Perplexed delved into this >area in terms of a progression of life, from mineral to vegetable to >animal to human. [3] if not mistaken, from evaluating the wikipedia >page, the issue of nesting exists in that each higher form of life has >within it those underneath it; thus the human is inextricably related >to the mineral, vegetative, animalistic, of which they are composed, >as this also effects consciousness, awareness, and intelligence [4] > >a personal experience about this issue of 'living ecosystems' that >themselves may have a larger awareness or consciousness than >just the part -- say, a forest as a supraorganism that is sentient... > >(developed a close connection and friendship with a wild deer and >learned how to communicate with her. then observed behavior in >various settings, role of muteness, listening, scent, wind, shiny >objects, distance, motion, fear, nutrition, locomotion, etc. and >when relocating the deer into a more wilderness environment, >it became apparent how she was one-with-the-environment in >a way that an urban park did not allow, as if in wrong circuitry; > >deer can basically disappear within a few feet in a forest, and >be totally silent at the same time as observing you searching >for them or just moving past, through their domain. then in the >effort to communicate, connection with camouflage and trees >and leaves helped realize how antlers are very much like sticks, >and how 'eyes' on trees, openings in the bark, are like those of >deer and other animals watching or monitoring the area, each >connected to the others, as part of a larger connected system. >as if all eyes of the forest even. part of a larger awareness and >knowing this, having this as consciousness, shared circuitry. > >in other words the deer is the forest, the forest is the deer, >the tree is the deer, the deer is the tree, a hidden symbiotic >relation or structural connectivity that goes beyond one entity >or one life, and spans across them as a larger, longer relation >as if functioning together, moving in a shared direction, thus >life dependent on other life, in terms of its dynamic circuitry, >then stresses, pressures, motivations occurring against this) > >should have also mentioned issues of governance related to >consciousness and intelligence, knowledge and awareness >as they rely on shared structures and foundations (circuitry) >that allow self-sustaining or connected systems to develop >within certain parameters, and thus origin stories of rocks >and minerals connected with cosmological big bang and >development of universe, galaxies, solar system, planets; >this then physics and chemistry, molecules moving into a >realm of organisms, life, and of vegetation and plants, thus >biology, botany, chemistry, horticulture, (if not aspects of >archaeology, paleontology in terms of research & studies), >then into fauna, animals, realm of biology and zoology if >not anthropology, to move into sociology, anthropology, >economics, politics, culture, 'arts', architecture, crypto. > >(note here- question of crypto at mineral and vegetable, >not just present-day context of p2p computer exchange) > >also note the role of behaviorist science to treat humans >only as animals, lowering their intellectual status via a >limited model of existence to Darwinian framework that >squares humans with apes, not divine entities or origin, >as this relates to loss of empirical truth, logic, reasoning >within society then enforced by universities, psychiatry >in particular, where 'medicine' helps this devolutionary >process occur, in the black arts of political diagnoses >that reverse the alchemical process: lead to gold via >toxic pills that destroy circuitry and the ability to think, >all to uphold a worldview of humans as merely animals, >managed as livestock, routed to holocaust cattle chutes > >here, the ideology buttressed by anthropological skulldiggery >and archaeological equivalence, the sociological likewise as >if all are the same, no matter if ascending or descending in >relation to having once previously ascended or descended, >such that apes becoming more human-like, humans more >apelike, humans more humans, apes more and more ape; >and hell, why not reference Planet of the Apes once again >as a context for Lincoln related civil war of said ideology > >so behaviorism backed up by 'political sciences' as cult, >as this translates into a dumbing-down and enforcement >of status quo dynamics, moving from human to the animal, >vegetable, & mineral, the more robotic, base the interactions > >and so consciousness, awareness, intelligence, communication >becoming less and less overt time, bounded by psychiatric limits >of what that is perceptible is acceptable in given frameworks, the >'brain police' monitoring everyone as potentially out of control apes, >this slavery, contained within a ideology that has become the state, >requires certain beliefs and conformance to illusory representations >and obey is the only option- or else, there goes your mind & body > >biome again, people living in toxic realm, despoiled environment >then forcibly adapted to it if not by peer pressure as selection, >the most unfit and mediocre the champions and successors in >wasteland, just follow brain-dead rules of the machine to survive; > >(if that does not work, take these pills and start behaving or else; >children as young as 2 y.o. being dosed by psychiatrists to rewire >troubled beings in such a hellhole, killing off any chance of survival >before turning completely bonkers when cerebrum lights all at once, >essentially programming population of mind-controlled psychopaths; >forgot implant antenna, deranged psych pills enough to circuit design) > >so peoples in mental institutions often referred to as vegetables, >as with those brain dead in hospitals, else comatose, operating or >existing in a realm beyond. catatonia, etc. as this tends also to a >realm of mootness, or otherness, perhaps related to the autistic, >of a bounded or limited realm where communication is not occurring >yet should be or once did, those somehow is miswired or rewired >and thus the circuits are not connected or integrated to enable >the internal/external relation, as if person trapped inside the self >and how this relates to communication and balancing, processing >of stimuli, how to make sense of what is going on, especially if >living in a frenetic world that does not make sense to begin with > >the correlation to this general condition (it as nausea, malaise) >is a Spore-like entity that can function as essentially brainless, >mindless, and make-do and make-their-way in the labyrinth as >if dungeon master granted special powers and abilities. this is >The Beast known as feelings-only, who matches phase change >and state to what is liked and not liked, what makes happy or >sad or mad, mediating existence on these immediate terms >without capacity, depth, or willingness to consider beyond this >quasi-emotional framework, detached from larger grounding in >surrounding truth, such that judgement can be immediate as >to sensory perception, yet also disconnected from the larger >reality, and instead function as delusion state of being and >mistaken awareness. these people become MANAGERS >(a joke here), many times. and compliance to rules, other >beliefs in a too-simple and stupidistic mindset/framework >then orchestrates and elevates the dumb to supremacy as >'true believers' in the warped model, because of its benefits >to them and their kind, without further question or insight; >just following, enforcing, repeating, extending mediocrity > >when these types become teachers, in autocratic status- >based hierarchy, 'truth' is legislated by likable beliefs and >those unliked, disfavored, easily censored based on moral >belief in superiority of this lesser and base existence and >way of being and 'thinking' as if a more limited animal, in >that the human becomes a trained ape by such relation, >as it becomes education, career, 'voting', and otherwise > >so, choosing to be vegetable, choosing that path, and >communicating or scenting and signaling in that realm, >procreation, spawning more of such kind automatically, >housing, feeding, schooling, refining a given production >to enable such a mindless population to manage us, >the lower then determining actions of those higher in >a realm of functioning, awareness, ideas, capacities; >and because politically correct, illegal to say anything >against this for fear of upsetting those benefiting from it > > >another aspect is drug culture in the supposedly non-legal >domain though also hypocritically mainstream, thus law >does not apply if favored, yet is used to imprison others >unprotected. professional drug users staying out of prison, >others with any infraction that threaten the state: goodbye > >then moralizing about anything from this perspective as if >universal quite problematic, if only for the massive bullshit >factor it involves on a corrupt societal scale, prophets of >counterculture too many to list, though enough shithead >musicians represent into the present day, so it becomes >unnecessary- just turn on media and see the idiots posing >as if enlightened, encultured to wasteland as peak, ideal >instead of base, bottom-feeding, making profit from shit > > >within this context of counterculture, drug zeitgeist the >counter pendulum to rise of psychiatric and its duplicity, >the structural connection and association with 'new age' >of consciousness, awareness, philosophical beliefs and >questioning of principles, religious, spiritual, every other > >so quaaludes and acid trippers reach top of mountain as >Moses' and then fall all the way back down again, repeat >this thousands and millions of times, the more piling on, >and this too a search for enlightenment for many, if not >of destroying the self in order to find the self once again, >the displacement then involving recentering, and a way >into questioning and other way and types of knowing > >the problem is that it is removed of its depth, grounding >as ritual and of potential spiritual practice and instead >can function in a realm of the base and profane, and >thus tends towards devolutionary processes rather >than the opposite, indicating growth beyond existing >boundaries, not just in a single realm, though overall, >in the total circuit. for example, you could be in bliss >temporarily yet residing in a shithole for the rest of life >and it may not balance out or move beyond this or >even be able to be sustained, the destructive cycle >where drugs can short-circuit via near-term fixes >for longer-term problems, larger situations beyond >the self, yet drugs can entrap people in their own >smaller worldviews, create boundaries not open up >connections, and rely on synchronizing with sickness >and toxic conditions and become further a part of >its structure, the downward force and momentum, >yet not accounted for this way, taken out of context > >that is the bullshit about too-easy enlightenment, >that it is in the pill and not in the self to begin with, >and about access and unlocking and not substituting >a life for a parallel condition existing outside or beyond >it, no longer responsible or responsive to surroundings, >then becoming this ecosystem, eyes and ears of the >drug even, which is the larger point of the vegetative > >people becoming cocaine, becoming heroine, they >as if plants, the awareness of 'like=like' then mapping >into consciousness with others and hidden subculture, >knowing who is within a similar domain or functioning >based on subtle clues and intelligence and signaling > >who has gone far into the void, who knows what you >know or has seen what you have seen. what kinds of >knowledge, misery, motivations, betrayals, violence, >deceptions. what kind of treachery hangs in the air >as a potential, what parameters or dimensions exist >in superposition that given nearby circuitry could alight > > >this can be a realm of seers and sages and prophecy, >of intelligence if grounded, connected to ideas, yet it >can as easily lead into babble and vacancy of truth >beyond the illusion, lead astray into further falsity, >and thus how a person is grounded then influences >how drugs effect and their mediation, what results > >this could be a healthy controlled practice that is >medicinal and rite-of-passage, or it could lead towards >loss of greater truth or purposes, and people instead >devolving to the drug, becoming trapped, encrypted >in its domain, surrogate yet also societal parasite >doing bidding of forces subhuman, antihuman even >as organisms seek to control and define territory as >ecosystem, the orchid keeping insects alive for its >own good, drugs governing others nervous systems > >the plague of their effectiveness is not only in body, >it is also in the brain and mind, where drugs can limit >sensory considerations into a narrow range and thus >'intelligence' can become confined to a smaller world >and view as ecosystem that relies on false constraints >required for the ecosystem to function as it already does >thus institutionalizing what can be inequalities or biases >or injustices to sustain what is a false-consciousness >at the universal level it may be perceived or believed, >in some sense artificial or unnatural, unreal, a fiction >yet inside this circuitry, it may be 'the most real reality' > > >consider the human entity as circuit, the nervous system >having a spinal column mapping nerves, sensory feedback >of body into brainstem and 'mind', the capital of the column > >consider this is a platform for development, and how any >nutrients or vegetation or carnivore activity then influences >this system in its functioning, the parameters it exists and >sustains itself within, in terms of its governance as scaled >to a larger shared relation with others, in structural terms >(ie the state). thus, any atoms and molecules that go into >this feedback-based system have certain functioning that >result in how it all relates, the dynamics of interaction and >exchange, where truth resides and how it is processed, >not totally unlike a pinball game in its tallying of points > >so, if eating some minerals, say having water from a >spring, there could be iron in the water that effects how >a person functions, like vitamins, which then programs >certain cells or influences function, say in regard to blood >somehow or various organs that process these nutrients >or manage those parameters as part of total metabolism > >water and humans create a circuit. water is a circuit and >humans are a circuit and together they combine. and it >goes into ecosystems, clouds, environment, ground, >such that if the land is toxic the water is likely effected >and thereby the person, even if in trace amounts, as part >of how the larger ecosystem is balanced, finds alignment >and adjusts or adapts or deteriorates in given dynamics, >perhaps a person becomes ill from lead in the water, etc > >likewise, leafy greens in a salad as circuitry, food, and >meat, say from a cow, as this relates to how ingredients >used for daily diets effect and are effected by a larger >circuit, of self though also of groups of people, the state >they together compose, and the environment itself as a >part of this relationship, dynamic, in existing dimensions; >how these are or are not accounted for, then, precluding >what is tallied or 'acknowledged' and in what ways, else >denied, say chemicals on plants that promote cancer >via homeopathic approach, poisoning via 1,000 disease >vectors to eventually hit the genocide jackpot over time; >so too, raising cattle in debilitating conditions, injecting >with hormones to negatively effect humans down range, >eating spiked levels of animal stress and pain as circuit, >perhaps losing nutrition though gaining the amplification >of similar disease promotion via chemical absorption >into cells, their malfunctioning, all part of the plan > >this as circuitry, toxic ecosystem functioning against >LIFE, devolving humans to livestock yet vegetable and >eventually robots via very same ideology of technique >removed of higher truth than what is politically allowed, >thus allowing social, behavorial, mental-engineering to >head towards this as if nirvana, 'enlightened following' >where greatest capacity is equated with end of cycle >of existence, by way of extinction of human 'species'; >and it is legislated no less. how stupid do people have >to be to go along with it, especially unthinkingly, without >resistance or taking it on as a situation... why is there >an absence of intelligence in dealing with the basics >here, why the gap? perhaps everyone is stoned and >playing games on their fucking iphones, using PGP >to complain about how crooked things are, IDFK > >and yet enlightened, opinionated, at same time helpless, >pathetic, yet self-righteous as if superior awareness or >knowing while incapacitated and unwilling to take the >leap into the maw of death enough to trust greater truth, >that the purpose is much larger than any person and that >an infrastructure exist, nature itself, to remedy this situation >beyond all the lies, and yet there is lack of faith or belief-- >in truth. in logic. in reality beyond a limited warped view >reliant on relativism, the lies and betrayals of education >becoming commonplace as viewpoint, turned against self, >people cannot even trust their own minds, so thoroughly >mistaken and beholden to external validation of what is > >so basically, the individual is fucked. the shared set of >people absolutely absent from engaging the situation in >the terms it exists, beyond the self and small groups >that still can rely upon and benefit from the bullshit factor >and various other limits, impeding larger ecosystem truth, >being that is beyond existing boundaries or misconceptions > >then it is a time of count of be counted, who is awake >and who is aware and who serves truth and is willing to >make sacrifices and who are those doing it already and >how is this all connected in a larger structural framework, >as it relates individual awareness in varying dimensions with >others, molecular processing of interconnected consciousness >and where does mind meet its embodiment, deeds, not only >words, and at what scale or what limitation, what amount of >self-serving bullshit and privilege versus sacrifice, losing the >egostic framework that requires its own safety to persist, >disconnection from suffering as if above, instead corrupted >and serving self firstly and projecting this outward to others; >unaccounted for, how much betrayed by the psycho-logical, >a great many tells exist for parameters that remain para- >and thus insight can tend towards involution, yet warped >and ungrounded, as if superior knowing when actually less > >thus is the nature of the egotist who believes because of >station to know everything, even though wrongly, while >mocking another who thinks they know something, as if >that is the arrogance and an impossible, due to superiority > > >on these themes then, there are people who journey into >a realm of drugs and document their research, such as >ethnobotanist Terrance McKenna, [5] and this tends also >towards Thompson-Leary cryptography, [6] in that it is not >only the signaling of plants themselves though their effects >within people and culture, which extends this signaling at >human scale and in human dynamics and ecosystems, >that could be sacred or profane, given implementation >though perhaps also more than this: toxic and poison >exists and being able to absorb it can deteriorate not >enhance in the ways believed as if all is transcendent, >or like climbing mountains, leads to heights not depths; >(if living in an inverted world, things may be backwards) > > >(note here: as with crystals and piezo-sensors as organic >or natural circuitry, the chemical compounds and circuitry >of drugs, both those defined legal and illegal [7][8], as it >relates to how that circuitry, visualized, may correlate with >certain dimensions and parameters of its effects, in that >the different visual structure maps to different systems in >the body and mind, different ecosystems or dynamics. > >thus, like a custom programmed IC or microcontroller, >so too Aspirin or Ambien or Acid or patterns delivered. >in other words: where's the message, what is the key, >where is the information, what is encrypted, how is this >circuitry, how does it map, metabolize, transform and >change, positive and negative dynamics, feedback... > >and not to forget, all of this as language, its calculus) > > >principles and intelligence related to horticulture, then, >Luther Burbank's work The Training of the Human Plant >[9] as this could relate to culture, cultivation, the cultic >imagination and manifestation, of ideas and of ideology > >if raising the vegetable as higher consciousness and >becoming one with nature, it could also involve loss of >certain critical facilities or awareness in turn, and this >could be a danger for a way of being that no longer is >human, or no longer serves a higher truth than what is >accessed immediately and in proximity to the body >in terms of its likes and agreements and hospitalities, >and a movement away from truth or regression could >occur, and thinking could be turned against itself so >that the lower is again the higher, people in service >to something that is less intelligent, though in this >way, combining with the circuit, ecosystem, fusing >and then becoming vegetable, animal. in terms of >rites-of-passage, this may be inherent, as with an >embryological view of reptile, mammalian sections >of brain as it develops, old brain and new, and yet, >to then situate a self in a limiting framework and >obey its constraints could also be to decouple >from the natural world for an illusion replacing it, >a false consciousness believed as if higher truth > >here be witchcraft and paganism and other forms, >cannibalism and other practices likewise that can >operate in such physics though also in exploitation >not recognize or serve other truths, this danger of >losing the human, turning to falsity as power. and >thus 'humans as plants' turns to 'plants as human' >and another framework of ethics, morality, judgement >and ways of being potentially aligned in other terms > >thus people occupy these realms, some witchcraft >dark and serving against truth, while others good >and using knowledge of nature and its metaphysics >for life, healing, medicine, the paradoxical condition, >the Caduceus [10] and Rod of Asclepius [11], their >dual-role of sickness and health, the importance of >being able to recognize its value and not outlaw it, >the truth involved, yet to do so accurately, clearly, >accounting for actual conditions and not ideological, >which then infects minds, corrupts intelligence, etc > >(a double-dealing War of Drugs that is a hypocritical >onesided takedown of political enemies forbids this >yet exploits the condition to retain silence, or else >the NSA will ruin your life and quicken extinction. >this is how evil gets a foothold in society, becoming >governance, people obeying and serving this falsity) > > >so, what say you to worshiping mandrake root? [12] > >"i'm up for it, do you have coke to go along with it?" > > >perhaps tending to profane here... people becoming this >drug, its deliverance as plague even, as consciousness >that is skewed and distorted and worms its way further >into culture via principles aligned with toxic dynamics, >becoming ecosystem, way of being turns to nothingness. >the void, a mirror-image of knowing that is actually false, >ungrounded in its symmetrical belief, incorrectly aligned >with events yet not accounting for structural aberrations >and therefore ignorance a basis of such supreme belief, >as if above it all, operating in a realm of higher awareness >when instead a conceit that does not correlate with reality >and eventually, to be accounted for in cosmic ecosystem > >what this is to suggest is that, people becoming plants >is a devolutionary process, a regression of intellectual >capacity that returns to feeling-based diagnostics that >can be localized out of other dimensional frameworks >that were once connected, coherent, and correlated > >as lies and falsity are normalized, toxic poison of mind >that is shared amongst many can, like invasive species >overtake localities, growing and thriving in place of the >natural habitat, with devastating consequence for the >prospects of life on terms against the ecosystem, or >ecosystem engineered to be against sustaining of life, >these destructive principles of death and hate, turning >people into lower lifeforms, humans as subhumans, as >if only apes or less than this even, judged, sentenced >to death via this insane and evil ideology, this artifice, >unaligned, disconnected, hostile to nature, life, love > > > > An amusing account is that of a CIA polygrapher claiming > > to exchage signals with plants, discovered by hooking up > > a polygraph to them. He said he could just think of burning > > a nearby plant for the plant to initiate defenses. His claims were > > later discounted but remind of the long-running mind control > > research by US and Russia. And the unkillable kudzu of > > lie detectors. > >then it should be mentioned- turning this into religion... > >use of what seems to be a multimeter to diagnose the >human in its electromagnetic circuitry, as lying plant, >though to question Scientology methodology, if this >fever graph is mapping of galvonic skin response or >perhaps 'information' in its vibrational context, as the >circuits would be different, and perhaps another layer >or boundary of interpretation exists between these, in >that non-acoustic acoustic phenomena could be judged >as acoustic, or non-acoustic as electromagnetic yet the >circuits evaluated could be too simple for what is involved >and thus the problem of thinking, of logic and reasoning >in relativistic frameworks that could tend towards rule >of behaviorism _over mind, over higher awareness and >in this way- the rule of language over people, so that >ideas must conform to a given rationalization, ideology >that can be wrong-headed or wrong-minded or of wrong >or inaccurate beliefs yet unchecked as ecosystem and >in this way, mislead or rely on certain 'limited knowing' >versus actual understanding or comprehension beyond >a given faulty framework, where short-circuiting could >be the key to health and not just sickness, correcting >every anomaly leading to forced silencing, versus the >role of sensors, the diagnostic evaluation, clues that >map out circuitry yet not necessarily in their entirety, >the mystery much larger than any parts combined, >when disconnected from ecosystem as if controlled; >the false consciousness default if methodologically >forcing such truth, grounding to the false all too easy, >perhaps the main sickness of institutions over time, >corruption from reliance on ideas divorced from truth >beyond narrowed limits, losing self-awareness while >representing it as if pillar or structure, foundation for >others, symbolic, yet still potentially ungrounded, >the problem of being blinded from believing to know >and yet in this belief, forbidding such awareness > >in other words, once again, attaining grounding in >an unnatural or toxic habitat, as this potentially can >relate to lies or falsity, and then 'enlightenment' by >the normalization of this ecosystem relation that >can function in negative, hostile, immoral relations >and dynamics for food, survival, shelter, knowledge, >then going on to represent and replace culture that >was to serve life and now is about serving death and >a certain range of parameters, dimensions, dynamics >that are 'healthy' and 'good' for this diseased condition >and its state of being that is centered on nothingness, >no higher goals than the base and material exploitation > >crypto in this context, signaling, as patterns and signs, >symbols and their processing, relations based on these, >correlation between circuitries, issues of competing biomes >and ecosystems, different if hidden ecosystems, ecologies, >different mechanisms and dynamics, as this maps onto >forms, artifacts, events, to be read/written as language, >the correlation of dimensions, shared or unshared, like >or unlike, those who are vegetable-like feeling-based if >not connected with the false world and the oppression, >versus those thinking beyond, into/from other principles- >all of it as circuitry, consciousness, signaling, codes, >crypto, messaging and communications, protocols, >layers, habitat, food, poison/medicine, culture, flow > >what is the greater consciousness of the false order? > >perhaps the shared lie as it maps to realms of artifice > >what is the greater consciousness of truth? > >perhaps shared being in the world, truth, live, love > >in this way, two entities and existences, information >and its circuits grounding either to truth or to falsity > >(the paradox: never beyond a realm of good and evil) > > >0. [images] humans as plants (visual correlation) >http://medanatomy.wordpress.com/2013/01/14/41/ >http://medanatomy.wordpress.com/2013/01/14/37/ > >1. Panspermia >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panspermia > >2. Gaia hypothesis >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_%28mythology%29 > >3. A Guide for the Perplexed >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Guide_For_The_Perplexed > >4. ibid. Levels of Being (equations) >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Guide_For_The_Perplexed#Levels_of_being > >5. Terence McKenna >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna >http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna > >6. crypto-p.wd >https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2013-September/000871.html > >7. The Molecular Expressions Pharmaceuticals Collection >http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/pharmaceuticals/ > >8. recreational drugs under the microscope >http://www.itsnicethat.com/articles/drugs-on-film-negatives > >9. The Training of the Human Plant (pdf/html) >http://joytoyou.com/tothp/Default.htm > >10. Caduceus >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus > >11. Rod of Asclepius >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_of_Asclepius > >12. MANDRAKE IN PROFILE >http://fog.ccsf.cc.ca.us/irazumov/lectures/illustration/botanical/interesti… >http://www.fs.fed.us/wildflowers/ethnobotany/mindandspirit/images/solanacea… >http://www.fs.fed.us/wildflowers/ethnobotany/mindandspirit/mandrake.shtml >http://www.sacredearth.com/ethnobotany/plantprofiles/mandrake.php > >13. 12hr-ISBN-JPEG Project >http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vaZrBgbAi3w/UrVNgLuwFVI/AAAAAAAAfZ4/AubiulMgqZ0/s…

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Vegetation Comsec
by John Young 22 Dec '13

22 Dec '13

Proceeding with novel comsec investigations, the New Yorker this week has an article on plant communication and intelligence and how they differ from those of animals. http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/12/23/131223fa_fact_pollan Plant signaling with chemical emissions was intriguing, as were signals sent through proxies such as insects. Plant perception of hazards, sensing sources of water, light, air, nutrients, kin, enemies is suggestive for veggie comsec. And all this is based on being tethered to the ground, immobile thus having to do what animals do by different means, barely perceptible to animals, slow moving, but effective in competing with other plants as well as animals. Darwin wrote the seminal work, but current scientists are deeply involved in what some call "neurobiology" in which brain-like activites are accomplished by vegetable swarms of signals and networks without animal brains. Albeit root stems searching for water and nutrients appear to behave like brains below ground, while veggie sex occurs above ground. This raises the prospect of using plant capabilities in emissions of chemicals and finding nutrients in signaling, SIGINT, comsec, infosec and crypto. Has anyone seen reports on this? Or on chemical transceiving for comsec? Public key as a plant with unique biological identity which absorbs or emits decrypt signal? The use of insect and chemical proxies? An amusing account is that of a CIA polygrapher claiming to exchage signals with plants, discovered by hooking up a polygraph to them. He said he could just think of burning a nearby plant for the plant to initiate defenses. His claims were later discounted but remind of the long-running mind control research by US and Russia. And the unkillable kudzu of lie detectors.

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