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Fwd: Fw: Hi, I'm from the government and I'm here to screw you
by brian carroll 05 Jan '14

05 Jan '14

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: CJ Knight <nulldev(a)hush.com> Date: Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 4:08 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Hi, I'm from the government and I'm here to screw you To: brian carroll <electromagnetize(a)gmail.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Brian, and happy new year. Thanks for another thought provoking post. A few things you might not be aware of happening over here in Europe, specifically the UK: We have ANPR (Automatic Number Plate Recognition) cameras in place on every motorway junction, plus all major roads. They aren't advertised, they look like plain grey boxes, but people are slowly catching on to what they do, and how much they see. A journey from one end of the country to the other can be tracked in real time. An EU Directive has stated that all new cars must have inbuilt 3G capability "in case of accidents". I personally do not believe this reason, and suspect it's just another form of tracking surveillance. Lastly, our government a few years back came up with an idea to fit "black box" recorders in *all* cars but the public backlash was so huge they shelved the idea. Instead, the insurance industry has adopted the technology, so new drivers and those with a poor accident record can opt to have one of these boxes fitted in return for a discount on their insurance. It is now becoming a norm for young people to take this option; when I ask them why they are prepared to violate their own privacy they just shrug, but I guess privacy means something different to the Facebook generation. Conversely, it is now becoming *more* expensive to insure a car if you do not have a black box; they have tried norming this by penalising the law abiding (but privacy conscious). Anyway, just thought you might like to know. Best, CJ On 02/01/14 18:04, brian carroll wrote: >> Any questions? > > observation: ...<snip>... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSxeNUAAoJEIRAsFEItJzjLyMH/iXOzH5R8mJi1LYqwU5RgdPj yBxI6T9hhlQOnA1mZOTrTxDfLMDBi4IEWkyJK+C3C3wCoq7/+5sJphEqZ6tikQdP 8cPeR0E6/tlXRW9H78FcDlWwWJgi/xwT+Z2aOwIDdr9xjWl7WJF2rrgbRENC05aX OLtnvbHmm+nPKKjFYx7resXD37e7O8kYd7k1ArkJ5o+h3BuIm5oQMCZU4xUqlfoO IJ2xclzLRKLu70O3xUeYsmTjsF61xaRpMXy1404lWpJkKsW+1wqugOBVDMf9dRxH qnZhM09ToF5hICvUkvch3juV2z0Pg69N8CZS27xrCjYTSVxsr8JUjuQLS5E6kvw= =diAd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Replacing corporate search engines with anonymous/decentralized search
by Juha Nurmi 05 Jan '14

05 Jan '14

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi! I read this post about decentralized search and I immediately subscribed this mailing list. So hello all! My name is Juha Nurmi and I am the founder of ahmia.fi (search engine for Tor) and a university researcher. Right now I am trying to get funding to design a decentralized search engine. We are proposing (me and my Adj.Prof.) a small (2-3 years) Finnish Academy project. This proposal would take place in the Finnish Academy ICT 2023 programme, first thematic call: Information security, letters of intent, which means very short project plans. Academy mostly funds (public) "pure research"; first planned applications are related to virtual Internet networks and public admin applications. The basic idea is to investigate search algorithms and engines that do not require a centralized crawler database and a central authority. This raises algorithmic, security, credibility, resourcification, etc. challenges that are interesting strategic research point of view, etc. In particular, we would like to use Tor network as a testbed for these ideas in the related case studies: we will be testing this search design by building a tor hidden service search engine :) The Finnish Academy will select most promising project candidates and the final proposal is to be submitted around April 2014. If successful, we enter detailed planning phase in early 2014, and submit more complete project plan by April 2014. Actual project (2 calendar years) would take place in 2014-2016. I really really hope I will get this funding. This is something I would love to do and have planned to do a long time. Funding = time. Greetings, Juha Nurmi -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSxHzCAAoJELGTs54GL8vASmUH/i9QP+b508y4sLAnlxRogpnX NZlOJ+s2x+i5lK7TiVxCOWm556pQBwCl8aVwAjIlmY0RtqllbpqBsOePSY7nrK+6 1L+znToW6l5LleSBxa7mK0Yd6ww08VJmkr7y5CoW5D1JWhTRiHm2iMVBOLdIU27A G1CwXTwVUzeiehrUd1frHgmHVeXeqwovInnnKKc6ndrX53Z7zau/m5ybaQnyCTlG HNVKbXLSYRK0rWjLbg2+bd7ZTXWIGCISxhmQ68/bvPIGfleW/hSqz9Cw+oou+Ufa FKxUoEmMIcBCdonIi4A7iZLlDrWX1RkPeUmSGKJU3I3ZcxtwrKbU1y9Ijg7D7kQ= =qjYG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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>#i\&;N@:*f)o$~"|=% (urls)
by brian carroll 05 Jan '14

05 Jan '14

--- potential --- issue: wi-fi as distributed radar, signals monitoring as if snare traps in forest or jungle for certain parameters .... KOLLIDER FUNCTION .... A. Scientists Turn Their Gaze Toward Tiny Threats to Great Lakes http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/us/scientists-turn-their-gaze-toward-tiny… "Tiny plastic beads used in hundreds of toiletries like facial scrubs and toothpastes are slipping through water treatment plants and turning up by the tens of millions in the Great Lakes. There, fish and other aquatic life eat them along with the pollutants they carry — which scientists fear could be working their way back up the food chain to humans." B. Beadist Transforms Ordinary Objects Into Ornate Treasures http://www.visualnews.com/2013/12/31/beadist-transforms-ordinary-objects-or… \/.:.: OOC book ::.../\ Autonomous Technology Technics-out-of-Control as a Theme in Political Thought By Langdon Winner http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/autonomous-technology [q] The truth of the matter is that our deficiency does not lie in the want of well-verified "facts." What we lack is our bearings. The contemporary experience of things technological has repeatedly confounded our vision, our expectations, and our capacity to make intelligent judgments. Categories, arguments, conclusions, and choices that would have been entirely obvious in earlier times are obvious no longer. Patterns of perceptive thinking that were entirely reliable in the past now lead us systematically astray. Many of our standard conceptions of technology reveal a disorientation that borders on dissociation from reality. And as long as we lack the ability to make our situation intelligible, all of the "data" in the world will make no difference. —From the Introduction [/q] ^1 Amazon Customer Review http://www.amazon.com/Autonomous-Technology-Technics-out-Control-Political/… Look Inside this book... http://www.amazon.com/Autonomous-Technology-Technics-out-Control-Political/… searchable PDF with index / ex. 'megamachine' http://monoskop.org/images/0/00/Winner_Langdon_Autonomous_Technology_Techni… [q] Lewis Mumford holds much the same view. There is, he believes, a humane tradition of science and technology based on "an earth-centered, organic, and human model" to which Western civilization must return if it is to avoid the disastrous course of the "megamachine." 6 "For its effective salvation," Mumford warns, "mankind will need to undergo something like a spontaneous religious conversion: one that will replace the mechanical world picture, and give to the human personality, as the highest manifestation of life, the precedence it now gives to machines and computers." 7 [/q] -- Introduction, p.4 -- ^1. note on 'bearings' - have repeatedly been thinking about limit of compass view and of TPH's book on Elmer Sperry, never read it though on inventor of gyrocompass, related to gyroscope used in satellites, ubiquitous directional sensor (cellphones, segway, drones, vessels, other). perhaps its framework parallels certain ever-shifting conditions and parameters, staying on course. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elmer_Ambrose_Sperry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sperry_Corporation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrocompass http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyroscope book: Elmer Sperry: Inventor and Engineer (Johns Hopkins Studies in the History of Technology) http://www.amazon.com/Elmer-Sperry-Inventor-Engineer-Technology/dp/08018475… "Characteristic of his various inventions were feedback controls which have made automation a fact of life." ------u--r--l--s------- // strange-read function: thought it referenced MITM... Apple, Qualcomm suffering weak yields for wearable devices http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20140102PD202.html [diagram] electric & magnetic properties of light http://phys.org/news/2013-12-peek-forgotten-component.html Research duo develop a means for people to conceptualize polarized light http://phys.org/news/2013-12-duo-people-polarized.html [q] It's a well-known fact that animals other than humans can see polarized light and that many use it as a means of navigation, terrain discrimination or even as a form of communication. Recent studies have even found that some organisms, such as shrimp, are able to communicate with one another using polarized light that is reflected off a part of their bodies, in this case, their tails. Many scientists believe that there likely exists a hidden world of communication going on in natural world, where only those who can see polarized light are able to join in. How and Marshall describe it as a secret language—one where prey are able to communicate silently, for example, unseen by a predator, without fear of being overheard. [/q] // and... why not-- Researchers find dogs sensitive to small variations in Earth's magnetic field http://phys.org/news/2014-01-dogs-sensitive-small-variations-earth.html [q] A team of researchers in the Czech Republic has found that dogs can now be added to the list of animals that are able to sense and respond to the Earth's magnetic field. In their paper published in Frontiers in Zoology, the researchers describe field experiments they conducted that indicated that dogs prefer to defecate while in a North-South stance relative to the Earth's axis, during times when the magnetic field is calm. [/q] (this research perhaps a contender for ig-noble awards) (note: relation of geophysics and patterning. of animals, though also humans. will not mention in this given context, though it is wondered if position of buildings and direction of beds likewise is this way, with humans and fields. are N-S or E-W directions preferred, what if rooms are not on cardinal access. does direction effect sleep patterns, etc. is it specific to layout of a room or larger building itself; such that position of furniture only has a few options in a given space, thus must be oriented a certain way, and how is this preferenced, may larger fields or forces be involved in determining optimal or is it irrespective of this.) ---:::: quantum! ::::--- re: NSA Quantum Computer Research at LPS 2005 http://cryptome.org/2014/01/nsa-quantum-computer-2005.pdf note: wondering if in someway e-ink display, phase changes via direction of ink color (white to black, perhaps grayscale) could in some way be analogous to spin states of atoms and rovide a conceptual framework to question dynamics within (wondering also about nesting of dynamics, spin states that have hierarchy and build up or support/buttress other states, such that a scaffolding or computational structure is created; thus perhaps 3-qbits effect 1-qbit on another level as it relates to others at its same scale. maybe these are logic gates though. it just seems an ecological or nonlinear/multinear flow dynamic would be dynamic (state machine) v. serial progression of charge) note: what if ion-trip entanglement became storage mode to establish two linked memory matrices, at a distance from one another. such that they are remotely linked, though are combined of the opposites qbits... [matrix1] <---> [matrix2] in this way, it is not necessary 'spin' for set 1 to set 2 that may be the computational process/framework, and instead spins within the matrix, that then mirror in the matched pair... [xxxxxx] <---> [xxxxxx] [xxxoxx] ----- [xxxxxx] [xxxoxx] ----> [xxxoxx] in that, due to entanglement within the set (matrix1) that the relation (x-x => x-o) via manipulation, say encoding, then mirrors in the second set, and the stringing together of these then reappears likewise in the second set (matrix2) if this is how the spin-states are matched and entanglement operates what if the matrix were considered a bitset display that is inherently linked via stored entangled pairs, perhaps even mismatched, calico, some sets are shared or not, some sets may not be entangled and thus like wires to anode/cathode or ground, create computation circuits, hierarchy or structure for data flow. what if a sequence of patterns or a problem was then set against this matrix (e.g. 1), say it is a qbit storage or memory array of 1,000 qbits, a quantum-data ecosystem, that then processes a pattern via its structuring, as linked into and out of various known structures (logic gates, functions, other) ridiculous to speculate probably, though what if some limit like 1-dimensionality or 2-dimensionality exists, and that perhaps a 3- or 4-D or N-dimensional framework is required to activate or unlock or open-up the natural, organic dynamics beyond preexisting ideological thresholds, boundaries, views, such that quantum is stuck in a paradigm of electron-tronics: (electronics (quantum bits) ) in that perhaps linear or serial time-based sequences and approaches are fundamentally different, and constrained by 'electronics circuits' as paradigm or model or approach quantum-computation (electronic computation) what if the situation is opposite, that the quantum realm is larger or defines the electronics realm (larger(smaller)) in terms of hierarchy, different principles or organization required - perhaps the model of information key to how it is conceived, where 'the bit' may not be defined just as encoded electron, and instead exists as abstracted pattern or structure (language, subsign structures perhaps) and thus the 'way of seeing' is not possible if the model or approach does not capture these dimensions need for computation and communication. perhaps quantum computation is closer to a screen-display rolling through various patterns as if a thinking-machines blinking lights, though that these patterns are the calculation going on visually, not just the representation of activity, the actual computation itself (in this way, processing would be more pattern-matched thinking, evaluation based on weighting of entangled bits that ground to truth or neutral or somewhere grayscale; the latter requires more analog than 1/3rd spin states, so resolution of q-bit perhaps is also a question, is there a potential gradient between +/- that can be achieved, in this way 'data switches' as with Hall Effect sensors, 'digital', whether on/off in 1/2s or 5ths, versus analog going from 0-1 across the entire range, say 5/200ths in one instance and 5/6.124 next, given resolution, etc. qbit as on/off switch versus strain gage in other words. It would seem the inherent 'computability' of entangled bits in terms of 'grounding to truth' via connected knowns is in the undefined state, not a false limit to weighting or resolution, thus qbit as sensor, not as finite bit measure unless as a gate or transistor function. guessing, though the nature of thinking is not about forcing things into a framework that is overly limiting or rationalized, it may remain looping or neutral, undecided, it may be contingently known (digital switch state, true or false (1,0) or tending towards t/f (+1/3, -2/3)) or else it may be weighted, as with intuition, in given looped state it is at this location or proximity on the scale from T/F, though given more processing may shift back&forth, thus undecided (1/0) though in n-degrees resolution until perhaps figured out. this is n-dimensional not linear algorithms, this is multilinear many-timings that may or may not be in phase in given situations, timing may have a million clocks that together may sync into a single clock or operate as several that may or may not align or agree. that is what such a computer would likely be involved with in terms of data, not an electronics-circuit topdown approach. this based on the way of thinking, it as entanglement based with information structures, data models, and perspectives, perhaps turing framework also a limit) also- consider transistor design of recent CPU chips, the alternative approach that accommodates errors & can use an FPGA or other device to reprogram or tune functioning, taking into account what is operational; consider in qbit context, especially if not approached In purely quantum computer context and instead hybrid, that a qbit entangled pair could be linked into a classical electronic circuit, used for remote or distance messaging for instance. some basic functionality of matched pairs, perhaps for encryption at a morse-code level as if early days of telegraphy. what seems possible if developing some integrated functionality is to build upon this, bit by bit so to speak, with continual advances, yet it would not be an independent quantum computer per se, instead it would be a hybrid electronic computer with extended quantum functionality, a new substructure or connector into future quantum systems. so perhaps an entire q-pc is not going to appear at once, and instead a bridge from existing tech, with some q-functionality, then will meet with more independent q-systems of the future, allow a range of q-systems development via diff. approaches in terms of a quantum system beyond existing electronic circuitry, another paradigm, the same approach could be relevant with transistors, such that perhaps some qbits are higher fidelity and others not, within a linked matrix, or some are 1/3rds, some are linear, some digitral 1/0, and some are unlinked or classical, within a given matrix or bitset display that is q-computational. and then from this messiness, order emerges via patterned dynamics and interactions, and develops over looped iterations. In other words, the issue of natural v. forced calculation; where a model or belief of 'perfection' exists with the 'electron as bit' approach, that presumes it is coherent, starts and operates here (TTTFTFT), ideological and also deterministic, a rationalization of the problems, sets; as If that can all be figured out or 'knowable' in advance; vs. a model of imperfection of the 'qbit as bitset' approach, which starts or remains in incoherence or decoherence, except as it may attain or align in coherent states (A=A) or others (T=2/3) that shape into patterns of calculation, emerging as structure, order, from chaos even perhaps beliefs in how people think could be part of the issue, as if 'scientific dogma' drives view of objective thinkers (A=A all the time with every observation), when this is a fragment or infinitesimal decimal condition, existing closer to near total falsity excepting whatever truth is or can be momentarily accessed, unless sustained as entangled state with truth as awareness, operating or functioning inside its dimensions vs. warped versions where bias (such as digital) throw-out anomalous, even contradictory or falsifying data. psychological loopholes that could prevent accurate modeling of q-conditions as it relates to ideas as ideas, not in terms of ideology note: why share such naive thinking outside realm of any expertise? i think 'thinking' directly correlates with quantum processes of entanglement and 'reasoning' is essentially comparable in terms of parsing patterns in a looped or ecosystem/ecological condition. so there is an issue of ideology or paradigm that could limit this to POVs, ideas, or beliefs that are inaccurate yet institutionalized yet form the framework for investigation/development, though likewise limit it. thus another view to question if this could be relevant by sharing outsider perspective. in that 'intuitive computing' or 'computers that reason' are going to be more like thinkers than calculators, which is the split between electronic computation and quantum approach, seemingly. the bit itself should be in question, how it is constructed and conceived, not the same thing or scale potentially with quantum, perhaps much more linguistic or sign-calculus (mathesis) in its framework, perhaps because it maps to information already or it is or already carries an informational dimension seemingly also, the issue of classified research so there is no room for those involved to discuss these things that would allow open research to develop them further. discussion or ideas then opens up the framework of considerations that could perhaps lead to new approaches in unclassified realm or bridge between these. of those with NDA or clearances that forbid divulging secret or classified information, it could be a way for a parallel effort to exist beyond these limits legally, especially in terms of online communities; though the limit appears to be, once inside the system no communication about anything potentially secret occurs, thus 'free speech or expression' is self-censored even tho a person or research may not be involved in quantum, or have direct relation, that they may not even consider the the thoughts due to security issues- effectively silencing the commonsense conversation about issues in the open, where security clearances take away right to participate in other domains also classified yet not related or known, for fear of reprisal, even though it would help bridge the gap and allow advancement beyond insider/outsider limits in this way, naive views like mine are situated, a person speaking into the air about these commonsense issues in extremely limited, near no knowledge condition, except whatever may exist in some minor accuracy about them. perhaps that is the threat, security bounds thinking to an existing political administration and framework that could result in violence for sharing ideas that are unwanted, etc. thus incorporation into the state is this enforced silencing, functioning within parameters assumed for the good, yet if corrupted, then trapped in an incommunicable condition where anything said could be interpreted as betrayal, etc) ~~^~~entropy^~^^^^ Maxwell's demon can use quantum information to generate work http://phys.org/news/2013-12-maxwell-demon-quantum.html [q] "It is known that classical information can be used to extract work, which is important because this saves the second law of thermodynamics!" Sang Wook Kim told Phys.org. "The mathematical expression of such work is given as the mutual information between the system and the measurement device multiplied by kT. Now for the first time we show that quantum information can also be used to extract work, and its mathematical expression is discord." [/q] How losing information can benefit quantum computing http://phys.org/news/2013-11-benefit-quantum.html#nRlv (note: noise environment, bugs as features) // perhaps difficult to lock-on to pattern recog./movement tracking? // could probably test with robot, focusing on singular shape/outline} // vs. not, then movement, trying to determine direction/speed, etc. // where parameters default to outline, thus harder to evaluate/match Computer simulation explains why zebras have stripes http://phys.org/news/2013-12-simulation-zebras-stripes.html ----(other)---- note: reference image related to recent posting on belief in money as absolute truth... https://www.dropbox.com/s/0mdzwdyd6kl2xj7/communion.jpg {educational fair-use of copyright, 2013} 960-65-45 55-63-91 43-345-939

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Fwd: [cryptography] ECC patent FUD revisited
by coderman 05 Jan '14

05 Jan '14

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: D. J. Bernstein <djb(a)cr.yp.to> Date: Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 1:36 AM Subject: [cryptography] ECC patent FUD revisited NSA's Kevin Igoe writes, on the semi-moderated cfrg(a)irtf.org list: > Certicom has granted permission to the IETF to use the NIST curves, > and at least two of these, P256 and P384, have p = 3 mod 4. Not > being a patent lawyer, I have no idea what impact the Certicom patents > have on the use of newer families of curves, such as Edwards curves. There are several interesting aspects to this patent FUD. Notice that the FUD is being used to argue against switching to curves that improve ECC security. Notice also the complete failure to specify any patent numbers---so the FUD doesn't have any built-in expiration date, and there's no easy way for the reader to investigate further. http://www.certicom.com/index.php/licensing/certicom-ip says that Certicom "discovered and patented many fundamental innovations" and has "more than 350 patents and patents pending worldwide". This sounds impressive until you look at what the portfolio actually contains. The reality is that Certicom has contributed essentially nothing to state-of-the-art ECC. Its patent portfolio consists of a few fringe ideas and a few obsolete ideas---nothing essential for mainstream ECC usage. Nobody needs MQV, for example: traditional DH achieves the same security goals in a much more straightforward way, and very few people notice the marginal performance benefit provided by MQV. The reason that Certicom has so many "patents and patents pending worldwide", despite having contributed so few ideas, is that it keeps splitting its patent applications. For example, the original MQV patent filings in early 1995 ended up being split into an incredibly redundant collection of US patents 5761305, 5889865, 5896455, 5933504, 6122736, 6487661, 7243232, 7334127, 7779259, 8090947, and 8209533, not to mention the corresponding non-US patents CA2237688, DE69636815, EP0873617, etc. ---Dan

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Re: Jacob Appelbaum in Germany
by Juan Garofalo 05 Jan '14

05 Jan '14

--On Saturday, January 04, 2014 10:55 AM +1000 "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> wrote: > On 2014-01-04 07:04, Juan Garofalo wrote: >> If you believed in the typical conservative "my house, my rules" >> garbage, why would you post in this mailing where people are supposed >> to subscribe to anarchistic and anti-intelectual 'property' views? > > Schwarz was not charged with violating other people's intellectual > property, but other people's physical property. > > He needed killing, just as much as Martin Trayvon did, for much the same > reasons as Martin Trayvon needed killing. > > If an anti state protester, protest state power, not property. If you > are protesting property, you are a pro state protestor > > Which is why Schwarz thought he was part of the powerful, and thought > those he harmed were part of the powerless. Because he was striking at > physical property, not intellectual property. > 1) that he wasn't striking at intellectual property is your (false) side of the story. 2) the physical property of the state and its accomplices isn't legitimate property, or rather, it isn't *their* property. "He needed killing, just as much as Martin Trayvon did" may the one who needs killing is you. >

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NSA and quantum computers
by Jim Bell 04 Jan '14

04 Jan '14

http://news.yahoo.com/nsa-eyes-encryption-breaking-39-quantum-39-machine-22… Washington (AFP) - The US National Security Agency is making strides toward building a "quantum computer" that could break nearly any kind of encryption, The Washington Post reported Thursday. Related Stories * The NSA Is Trying to Build a Quantum Computer The Atlantic Wire * NSA leaker: 'Mission's already accomplished' Associated Press * NSA, UK agency 'targeted Israel PM, EU officials' Associated Press * Amnesty for Edward Snowden? Might depend on what secrets he's got left Christian Science Monitor * Israel plays down importance of alleged spying by U.S. and UK Reuters The Post said leaked documents from fugitive ex-NSA contractor Edward Snowden indicate the computer would allow the secret intelligence agency to break encryption used to protect banking, medical, business and government records around the world. Quantum computing has been a goal among commercial firms such as IBM because it could harness the power of atoms and molecules, vastly increasing speed and security of computers and other devices. But experts cited by the newspaper said it was unlikely that the NSA would be close to creating such a machine without the scientific community being aware of it. "It seems improbable that the NSA could be that far ahead of the open world without anybody knowing it," Scott Aaronson of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology told the daily. The NSA declined to comment on the report. The Post said the leaked documents indicate that the agency carries out research in large, shielded rooms known as Faraday cages designed to prevent electromagnetic energy from entering or exiting. Because of its vast computing power, a working quantum computer would break the strongest encryption tools in use today for online activities, including banking and emails. Some technology firms such as Google and Yahoo have said in recent weeks that they were stepping up efforts to encrypt their communications following reports that the NSA had been able to break or circumvent many of the current encryption standards. A September report by The New York Times, ProPublica and The Guardian, also based on leaked documents, said US and British spy agencies are able to decipher data even with the supposedly secure encryption to make it private. The documents indicated that the NSA, working with its British counterpart GCHQ, accomplished the feat by using supercomputers, court orders and some cooperation from technology companies. If the reports are accurate, the highly secretive program would defeat much of what is used to keep data secure and private on the Internet, from emails to chats to communications using smartphones. IBM researchers said last year they had made advances in quantum computing that has the potential to outperform any existing supercomputer. The new type of computing uses information encoded into quantum bits or qubits, putting into use a theory that scientists have been discussing for decades. Quantum computing expands on the most basic piece of information that a typical computer understands -- a bit, and thereby can perform millions of calculations at once.

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Re: Jacob Appelbaum in Germany
by coderman 03 Jan '14

03 Jan '14

On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 1:23 AM, cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)riseup.net> wrote: >... > Some of your stuff is at cpunks.wordpress.com and at JYA cryptome.org as > well. also, https://peertech.org/dist/cypherpunks-199209-199812.tar.bz2 sha256 579c3059e24b2d65f324053b0fed550a9d1d4fb2504a1a272940a26697ed8a33 (where else is the above mirrored? i had links, they're no longer good...) best regards,

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Re: [cryptome] question
by John Young 03 Jan '14

03 Jan '14

At 11:01 AM 1/3/2014, you wrote: Friends, Given the fact that Levison states: > > This experience has taught me one very important lesson: without > congressional action or a strong judicial precedent, I would > _strongly_ recommend against anyone trusting their private data to a > company with physical ties to the United States. > > Sincerely, > Ladar Levison > Owner and Operator, Lavabit LLC >which normal website hoster friends here could recommend in which countries? Iceland may be the only one, and that may be short-lived before it is expropriated by open and/or secret undermining. Or it is likely a honey pot like so many other dropboxes, pastes, leak sites, privacy and FOI initiatives. Big business now offering ways to avoid boogie-spies, aka "cybersecurity," by govs, coms, edus, orgs, sec experts. All other countries are more intrusive than the US, and all are becoming even more intrusive thanks to the booming industry of intrusive hardware, software, programs, staffing, contracting, higher education, co-optation of comsec experts, freedom of information organizations, religious institutions and many others who are benefiting from data mining of their supporters by selling information either directly or through second and third parties, in many cases, those sales are occurring by system administrators, temporary employees and volunteers, informants, ex-employees and volunteers, Web sites, and mail lists, like this one, news outlets, leak sites, conference organizers, educational institutions and innumerable others are gathering and selling data as fast as possible before legal restrictions are enacted. These private spying entrepreneurs are fearful that the crackdown on official spies will spill over into their opportunism, their windfall, their golden goose of data exploitation. Ubiquitous log files, ostensibly required for system administration, are the gold mines which implicate every sneak-thief operator of public, private, governmental, NGO, commercial venues. >The USA, UK and Sweden are out and so are all EU countries. > >Please let me have some good recommendations with hoster and country you >would choose if you had to transfer a website and its database and >mailing list capabilities. > >Thanks >IHW

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phenomenologic (urls)
by brian carroll 02 Jan '14

02 Jan '14

// note about previous urls list ideas and concepts: copyright-free... (disclaimer: ideas and concepts in my cypherpunks posts can be put to use and extended by others, including for product improvements and product development. there is no patent, copyright or other restriction, including no requirement of monetary compensation for application of these ideas which are intended to provide constructive feedback for the improvement and refinement of involved tools, ecosystems, technologies, processes. saying this so lawyers do not prevent related experiment, exploration, innovation, advancement.) --- on search --- URL/URI as new library card catalog system, hunt & peck for data 'organization' via Google akin to this, front-end sans knowledge, structure hidden from view, no benefit - all the data relations; basically a memory-locating device, internet as disk sector R/W; no integrated ideas on the internet, all atomized, local particles ..........urls.......... [video] Volcanic lightning captured in a bottle // wild! http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24792-volcanic-lightning-captured-in-… // f a s c i n a t i n g Earthquake lights linked to rift environments, subvertical faults http://phys.org/news/2014-01-earthquake-linked-rift-environments-subvertica… "Timing and distance to the epicenter vary widely. Most EQL are seen before and/or during an earthquake, but rarely after, suggesting to the authors that the processes responsible for EQL formation are related to a rapid build-up of stress prior to fault rupture and rapid local stress changes during the propagation of the seismic waves. Stress-activated mobile electronic charge carriers, termed positive holes, flow swiftly along stress gradients. Upon reaching the surface, they ionize air molecules and generate the observed luminosities." basic info: Earthquake light http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthquake_light --- paradigms --- Welcome to the Age of the Upgrade Everyone is an early adopter now, and it is glorious http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/31/5261042/welcome-to-the-age-of-the-upgrade comment: i was reading the above article and started to disagree with the analysis perhaps not understanding its viewpoint, though it is an interesting question to consider. reminds of the role of change in establishing new cultural relations, these before software, perhaps in some way related to the idea of upgrade, though also huge cultural shifts in approach and functioning that today seem to operate in other scales or degrees. the largest shift, in terms of my research, was pre- to post-electrification. which was the ur- or uber-upgrade path for individual and civilization. this shift could be seen culture-wide as it was happening. notable was the change in watches available in catalogs, from old windups to quartz, battery-based mechanisms, and then full-on digital interfaces that visually moved from an analog dial (related to the circular day/night cycle) to digital (simple 7-segment display of LED to eventual liquid crystal display, tending towards HIOX display matrices). so that structure of 12hrs mapped to day and night becomes lost to simple views of numbers (1:24, 9:19) when a sign or indicator then says 'am/pm' as this cyclical indicator. 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Mumford had very interesting observations about the clock, its development, in how it once related to nature and then replaced it, day & night becoming lost to time of the non-stop machinery. watches are quite interesting, wonder if anthropologists might delve into this someday, where wind-up mechanism of expensive wristwatches with watch winders still are in use as status symbols of earlier value system of the art of watchmaking, commoditized, fetishized today in era of mainly electronic, mass produced versions. lots here in terms of culture, values, relations. skills, tradition, change, viewpoints. then, emerging 'smart watches' to arrive in this situation, transforming another artifact into a 'computer' (as with CRT->HDTV, refrigerators, toasters, etc). question then might be: does the transition from old watch technology, non-electric, to the electronic version constitute an upgrade. just as, old wash basin and clothes scrubber and clothing line, to washing machine and clothes dryer. i think it does. this is electrification and then a follow-on, advanced level (qua 'composite' order) of computation as further structure and detailing or pre-electric tools, techniques, technologies, artifacts, processes. in another way, more subtle, something like a horse-drawn carriage and an automobile, though it seems this is about animals and combustion engine locomotion (oil power) and not of an electrical paradigm- and yet it is the spark plug and battery that are vital to its design and that developed into support system for a/c, radio, power windows, lights, etc. yet it is an embedded system, as if electrical system is subconscious in certain technologies more than in others (who even thinks of the spark plug as electrical device, in sustaining combustive explosions to move vehicles, meaning non-experts who drive cars in general population). so perhaps there is ambiguity in that electrical subsystems are structural or even hidden away from view. do people understand their cars or watches as technology? are they literate about how they work, in the same way as how the world is fit together in its physics, etc. in most cases, no. this is not something taught to people in an educational setting. non-issue. music provides what may be a most accessible view of this situation, of a paradigm shift as it may relate to the idea of upgrade, in that the folk music tradition of acoustic guitar then was challenged by use of electric guitar by Bob Dylan, upsetting the sensibility of how music was conceived of in terms of cultural values mapping to certain instruments and their sound. or something approximating a given understanding that was then brought into question by going outside those parameters, via electrical guitar. never mind that microphones are used and amplifiers, also electric, in ordinary stage situations. so issues of audio reproduction are already in the mix (hah), including sound stage audio mixing, cables, recording performance and playback via records, magnetic tapes. and so the magnetic pickups on the electric guitar apparently was sacrilege to some, and transformed a particular relation to music, sound, song, and it seems that Dylan was at the pivot point of these various cultural forces. (so too, if not mistaken, his father was an electrician.) was this use of electric guitar over miked and amplified acoustic guitar an upgrade of sorts, in terms of music instruments. is it a choice or a necessity, in certain frameworks. is there some momentum, that changes the parameters or the consideration, solutions for pending or other scenarios, where it is an improved approach (thus, perhaps innovation). aesthetically, within a context of music, did the electric sound capture some ineffable essence otherwise out of reach of acoustic instruments to convey, perhaps harshness or technical tones or detachment or some other ephemeral quality or condition that then more readily aligned with situations and consciousness, &c. so pre-electric to electric instrument (ie. electronic to electronics-based), is this also in some sense about upgrades, or an upgrade path. pre-electric dwelling to electric dwelling...computerized-dwelling, etc. so, in terms of typologies, and types of instrument, the piano in its acoustic form then becomes the synthesizer, both analog circuits and digital eventually, with associated different sounds, aesthetic outputs. _everything, basically, existing in this context, such that while an acoustic instrument could still be used, it exists in an electrical/electronic ecosystem, as said with mics, amps, mixers, cables, recording and playback technology, today with computers that themselves become the music production tools (midi controllers, music software) though much of it in the data paradigm of calculation, the calculator, as with the computer. not advancing in thinking beyond first conception of processing, not delving further than this. and so 'language' of tools is all over the place yet incredibly shallow in terms of investigating the deeper principles and structures of music likewise, the musicological is absent from this condition of 'electrical instrumentation' which has been overtaken by dysfunctional tools and equipment, legitimated and allowed by 'computer bugs' that prevent use of instruments in the way music requires, in order to access and develop musical ideas, versus techniques of production- as if making a webpage, using music software to create songs. procedural, with switches and buttons on ~instruments, formatted to parameters to further creation of beats and rhythmic structures of hip-hop, rap, soul, r&b, etc. this finite categorization, determining what can be created, by limiting the interface and choices to already known _language, the signage replacing the truth of music, repeating previous signage as if creating new music &c. so it begins to be a downgrade, a loss of ability and capacity over time, which i think the article was getting at, as if each new gizmo and feature is an upgrade or advancement, or every new technology or option. and instead it can be a deterioration if not understood else if subverted. losing quality, losing connection, losing sound, aesthetics, communication, etc. yet having all the switches and buttons, calculate whatever you want, in those parameters. while the parameters needed do not exist, were never developed, this as invisible barrier. it seems that electrification was this massive upgrade, and then other aspects carry it further such as computation as a next-level feature set, that depending on implementation could involve real innovation (via insight, quality, economy) or loss of cohesion in the design or its purpose, making it frivolous or trivial or confused. the purpose or integrity lost with changes. and yet time moves on and things change, so does a given approach or solution survive, adapt and find its legitimacy or become outdated, out of touch, removed from what actually exists and is caught in time, the past, as antique, portal to another world, view, belief system, and values that no longer map into the present or future the same. 'upgrade' then is like pre-electronic to 'electronic' device, though with 'nano' or 'genetic' or 'laser' or 'MIDI' or ECC or any number of features or details that could be incorporated into an existing approach or design, successfully or not, extending or adapting its purpose, moving into a higher fidelity connection, access, insight, or becoming askew, warped by this march to progress that may in its being ill-defined, not understood, mismanaged, or maldeveloped then lead to a devolved functioning that can also become a basis for cultural control, the incapacitation and incapability of doing things with tools, a form of censorship even by the way things do not and cannot work or function correctly, due to such automatic upgrades that may function in hidden ideological terms, serving political, economic, social forces unseen or unacknowledged or unrecognized. therefore, potentially another realm of tyranny that could be embedded in tools, via how they are or are not developed, in what parameters, in service or denial to what values (money or truth). is all your stuff broken like mine? THE FUTURE! --- security issues --- comment: if the NSA will intercept an e-commerce package to modify it for mass surveillance or worse, to break it or cause malfunctioning to force censorship-- what would they do to food that is delivered to targets via online grocers? what restricts extreme unethical and behavioral influence to 'force confessions' as with medieval rituals for persecution, whereby any evidence is basis for conviction, even if engineered. what if it is already commonplace, and this is the context for judgement. 'law' enforcing/forcing these dynamics by default of non-accountable marionette strings involved in shaping false situations as dioramas, tableaus. --- NSA & AAPL --- Apple Denies Working With NSA on iPhone Backdoor Unaware of Alleged NSA Program Targeting its Products http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB1000142405270230345300457929253245272… quote: "Apple has never worked with the NSA to create a backdoor in any of our products, including iPhone," the company said in a statement. "Additionally, we have been unaware of this alleged NSA program targeting our products. We care deeply about our customers' privacy and security. Our team is continuously working to make our products even more secure, and we make it easy for customers to keep their software up to date with the latest advancements." (comment: only reasonable explanation for exploits is they hire NSA as programmers and engineers, thus plausible deniability. also: if blackops, how to know if a CEO is not NSA?) [quote] Fresnel zones http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresnel_zone "If unobstructed, radio waves will travel in a straight line from the transmitter to the receiver. But if there are reflective surfaces along the path, such as bodies of water or smooth terrain, the radio waves reflecting off those surfaces may arrive out of phase (by reflecting off an a surface within an even Fresnel zone) with the signals that travel directly and reduce the power of the received signal. On the other hand, the reflection (off a surface within an odd Fresnel zone) can enhance the power of the received signal if the reflection and the direct signals arrive in phase. Sometimes this results in the counter-intuitive finding that reducing the height of an antenna increases the signal-to-noise ratio." ::::: TYPO ::::: 3d printing & typography https://www.google.com/search?q=3d+printing+and+typography&client=firefox-a… 4D typography http://www.dezeen.com/2012/06/30/4d-typography-by-lo-siento/ Gödel, Escher, Bach http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del,_Escher,_Bach Make your own Mymo {monogram} with any two letters or numbers http://www.mymo.is/ other http://assets.thecreatorsproject.com/blog_article_images/images/000/023/985… http://assets.thecreatorsproject.com/blog_article_images/images/000/023/994… print http://www.google.com/imgres?client=firefox-a&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:of… typographer http://doisminutosemeio.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/m1.jpg http://www.designersjournal.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/GOB_01.jpg http://istenbizony.hu/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Gemma-OBrien-2.jpeg http://www.youshouldliketypetoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/gemma-berlin… http://redcatblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/gemma_obrien_01.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kHy3VMMHaFo/TNnJsh1ttGI/AAAAAAAAA40/m7xQcSEdbY8/s… http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Ce590EA7O2M/TFARgcKi-bI/AAAAAAAAALA/vU9qAt5Wqcw/s… http://allanpeters.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/lovetypo_1.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2100/3551093803_370386fdf5.jpg?v=0 http://cdnimg.visualizeus.com/thumbs/56/6c/566cecee525c6c6b8418cf27466128d0… http://designhistorykingscliff.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/gemma-at-typo-be… http://www.typoberlin.de/2009/img/103872_MrsEaves_headshot.jpg .-.-.-.. (note: living amongst trees of electrical forest) https://www.japlusu.com/sites/default/files/styles/news-summary/public/JAU_… http://www.architecture.org.au/images/stories/news/1210/1210e4.jpg http://www.pinterest.com/pin/244601823483102763/ http://jto.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/fa20130117t1a-281x34… http://www.bustler.net/images/news2/winners_2012_venice_biennale_16.jpg -';;/ kllyder fnkn ]\.:/ A. Vortex Polarities http://pondscienceinstitute.on-rev.com/imagesCOS/67.GIF B. https://www.google.com/search?q=spiral+rock+art&client=firefox-a&hs=26H&rls… (http://pondscienceinstitute.on-rev.com/svpwiki/tiki-index.php?page=vortex) --- Apple, Inc. --- after the announcement of the death of Steve Jobs there was a tremendous flurry of viewpoints about his contribution to computing, his fundamental role. some of the belief it amounts to marketing-only, taking others ideas and repurposing and selling them as if the originator. in some way, as if part of his unique capacity was this skill, this way of conveying and presenting the equipment, speaking to an audience. this as a cultural event. as this relates also to showmanship that is also controversial in how the claims are evaluated. i believe Steve Jobs was as aesthetician. that his was a philosophical approach to technology that results in artifacts others related to in a similar framework, in terms of their design values. that the artifact itself was his unique focus, questions of technology, not just mass production. choosing what parameters to prioritize or considering options within extended frameworks, such that tools were situated in a structural ecosystem. having control over shaping this. and having people relate viscerally to it, if it matched their values and sensibility, ease of use, joy. design excellence, etc. these words do not actually convey what i hoped to say (my computer auto-crashed due to hack attack and lost original wording of this section, cannot regenerate due to memory loss issues). though the idea that Jobs was an aesthetician is to question the view that he was a technologist as other developers of technology. something else was going on with regard to culture that was not comparable with other approaches. notably, his value for the art of calligraphy as it would translate into software and hardware tools. for media creation and playback. not so much information management or organization, though interface indeed. the problem of the file cabinet remains and thus hardware advancements while inside of the data container remains stuck at the beginning in terms of modeling of ideas. it seems Jobs likely knew this and the computers of today are a result of accommodating the combined forces at work in the culture, and maybe innovations occurred where they were possible, and there is more to the story of how computers function and cannot function than is currently known. what people cannot refute is this aesthetic contribution and insight, this value kept alive within technology and tools, within certain parameters, that map into artifacts that please its users. as if beautiful functional pottery of a given culture worldwide from 1985-2010, etc. its the design that is more than a local or fragmentary question, its the understanding and awareness brought into the questions and evaluation and shaping of the technology, the tools, processes. and this is perhaps one of the prominent and obvious examples of the role and value of aesthetics in culture, at the same time culture has been removed of this traditional structure of relations, the knowledge needed to sustain it, the education and ideas and social connections now absent, it cannot be taught by a book, it has to be lived. in this way, the uniform of jeans and turtleneck indicating an ascetic aspect to the aesthetic, a commitment to resolution of certain parameters or routines and arriving at solutions or ways of doing things or attaining desired functioning. and i think that may effectively be lost in culture, today into tomorrow. it has not been sustained as a value. even while people respond to it and value it immensely. the knowledge and awareness have been lost to other priorities and agendas. ideas have to matter. the less they do, the more the tools and artifacts reflect this, develop it, further away from truth. now what if every parameter of computing was approached at this level. and every tool and artifact were designed to optimal functioning and of highest quality and capacity, versus the ruling junk economy and ideology of planned obsolescence, all manufacturers seemingly involved. something is preventing this. limiting its ability to exist as a shared goal. until that is resolved then such situations as what exists, contributions towards, reminders of what could be possible. --- em archery --- Full Flight Technology Velocitip Electronic Archery Tuning System http://www.amazon.com/Full-Flight-Technology-Velocitip-Electronic/dp/B00BT8… [note: consider use for sending data or sensors, infiltration, etc] // plasma actuator for shaping aflow over & around vehicle... Change in geometry improves aerodynamics http://phys.org/news/2013-12-geometry-aerodynamics.html --- artworks --- Hear the sound of the Earth moving from the deepest hole on the planet http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/31/5260806/sound-of-the-earth-recording-lot… -more- http://www.cemetiarthouse.com/files.php?type=respage&id=6 http://trendbeheer.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/a19.jpg http://www.booooooom.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/lotte_geeven_02.jpg http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KphCchD5QU4/URLa3KbNOvI/AAAAAAAAGFc/QkbhsceOK6k/s… -other- http://www.moira-utrecht.nl/pictures/tonivantiel/toni-van-tiel-flyer-vk.jpg http://hotelmariakapel.nl/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/tumblr_msy46hvMlX1r… 'Magnetophone' sculpture turns electromagnetism into beautiful noise http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/21/5232684/magnetophone-sculpture-turns-ele… --- nightsky observation --- star trails http://www.flickr.com/photos/alexandra4/11684224513/in/photostream/ animation http://www.flickr.com/photos/alexandra4/11684674826/sizes/o/ --- homologues --- Drip instabilities of continental lithosphere: acceleration and entrainment by damage http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-246X.2012.05398.x/abstract Keywords: Instability analysis; Dynamics of lithosphere and mantle; Mechanics, theory, and modelling; Rheology: crust and lithosphere; Rheology: mantle Pressure ridge (ice) // context: regarding icebreakers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_ridge_%28ice%29 (note: the idea of different points (A-B, C) and passages, made accessible temporarily or as lanes that open and close, and then other viewpoints of this (C) that are indirect in relation, as structures or flows may influence interaction, via geography, stress, strain, phase change) Organizational behavior http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizational_behaviour "Organizational behavior is a field of study that investigates the impact that individuals, groups and structures have on behavior within an organization for the purpose of applying such knowledge towards improving an organization's effectiveness" Household archaeology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_archaeology (note: would be interesting to examine change in routines and tasks of household since introduction and incorporation of computer into daily living environments, how activity has changed, social relations, work, shopping, etc. this in anthro/archeo analysis, in terms of artifacts, mapping relations across layers, getting into massive analysis of combined data. everything from sleep issues with blue light of screens influencing body clock rhythms to electricity use, radiation exposure levels, foci of the house (fireplace->tv-> computer), electriciation of dwelling (appliances, time, scheduling), rituals, beliefs, worldview, etc.) // galvanic corrosion, process similar to electrochemical battery Builder Blames Navy as Brand-New Warship Disintegrates / digg? http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/06/shipbuilder-blames-navy-as-brand-ne… "~Independence‘s corrosion is concentrated in her water jets — shipboard versions of airplane engines — where steel “impeller housings” come in contact with the surrounding aluminum structure. Electrical charges possibly originating in the ship’s combat systems apparently sparked the electrolysis." 'Military-Style' Raid on California Power Station Spooks U.S. http://complex.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/12/24/power-station-military-as… Revealed: The Soviet Union’s $1 Billion ‘Psychotronic’ Arms Race with the US / via gizmodo https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/1b0b3d97df54 ref. Unconventional research in USSR and Russia: short overview http://arxiv.org/abs/1312.1148 quote: "This work briefly surveys unconventional research in Russia from the end of the 19th until the beginning of the 21th centuries in areas related to generation and detection of a 'high-penetrating' emission of non-biological origin. The overview is based on open scientific and journalistic materials. The unique character of this research and its history, originating from governmental programs of the USSR, is shown. Relations to modern studies on biological effects of weak electromagnetic emission, several areas of bioinformatics and theories of physical vacuum are discussed." {educational fair-use of copyright, 2013} 12-8 100-360 7-170

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Re: [cryptography] To Protect and Infect Slides
by Jacob Appelbaum 02 Jan '14

02 Jan '14

Jeffrey Walton: > On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <jacob(a)appelbaum.net> wrote: >> Kevin W. Wall: >>> On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 3:10 PM, John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> wrote: >>> >>>> 30c3 slides from Jacob Appelbaum: >>>> >>>> http://cryptome.org/2013/12/appelbaum-30c3.pdf (3.8MB) >>>> >>> >>> And you can find his actual prez here: >>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0w36GAyZIA> >>> >>> Worth the hour, although I'm sure your blood >>> pressure will go up a few points. >>> >> >> I'm also happy to answer questions in discussion form about the content >> of the talk and so on. I believe we've now released quite a lot of >> useful information that is deeply in the public interest. >> > It looks like some of your observations were unsettling to some folks > at Cupertino: "Apple denies working with the NSA to compromise iPhone > security", http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2013/12/31/apple-denies-working-wit…: > > Today, Apple denied helping to create DROPOUT JEEP, > saying it had no knowledge of the exploit and remained > committed to its customer's safety. Did anyone ever claim that they helped create DROPOUT JEEP? > > Par for the course I suppose... gotta love carefully crafted press releases. I'm less interested in the payload than how it is deployed - are the Apple signing keys only controlled by Apple? Do they fall under the business records provision of the PATRIOT act? The QUANTUM documents do not sound very good for ios users: http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/nsa-dokumente-so-uebernimmt-der-geheimdie… http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/nsa-dokumente-so-uebernimmt-der-geheimdie… All the best, Jacob

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