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[MONEY] [WAR] Is Your Bank Owned By The Rothschilds?
by Zenaan Harkness 04 May '17

04 May '17

Most here know all this. Perhaps this particular exposition might be useful to send to someone... Z ----- Forwarded message from Gil May <gilmay97(a)gmail.com> ----- Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 09:23:11 +1000 Subject: Is Your Bank Owned By The Rothschilds? *Capitalism, Corporatism & Banking Cartel* <http://www.alternativenewsnetwork.net/category/truth-feed/capitalism-corpor…> *Conspiracy Archive* <http://www.alternativenewsnetwork.net/category/truth-feed/conspiracy-archiv…> *New World Order Exposition* <http://www.alternativenewsnetwork.net/category/truth-feed/new-world-order-e…> *Truth Feed* <http://www.alternativenewsnetwork.net/category/truth-feed/> *Is Your Bank Owned By The Rothschilds? Here Is The Complete List * *October 2, 2016* <http://www.alternativenewsnetwork.net/bank-owned-rothschilds/> *SatyaRaj* <http://www.alternativenewsnetwork.net/author/satyadev/> *1 Comment* <http://www.alternativenewsnetwork.net/bank-owned-rothschilds/> Post Views: 245,875 *(Humans Are Free)* <http://humansarefree.com/2013/11/complete-list-of-banks-ownedcontrolled.html> *Banks Owned By The Rothschilds:-* What’s the significance of having a central bank within a country and why should you concern yourself, your family and colleagues? Central banks are illegally created PRIVATE banks that are owned by the Rothschild banking family. The family has been around for more than 230 years and has slithered its way into each country on this planet, threatened every world leader and their governments and cabinets with physical and economic death and destruction, and then emplaced their own people in these central banks to control and manage each country’s pocketbook. Worse, the Rothschilds also control the machinations of each government at the macro level, not concerning themselves with the daily vicissitudes of our individual personal lives. Except when we get too far out of line. The grand plan of *The First Sphere of Influence* <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphere_of_influence> is to create a global mononation. Please do not confuse this with the term globalization. Mononation and globalization couldn’t be more different in concept, scope and purpose. Mononation is one state. It has one government. One set of laws for all ordinary citizens, no laws for the elite. Globalization refers to communicating, trading, interacting, etc. among separate, different, independent, sovereign countries. The grand plan of The First Sphere of Influence is to create a global mononation. Our own Federal Reserve is an illegally emplaced private bank that is directly responsible for creating all the US’s depressions, recessions, and the inflation and deflation of our dollar. The Fed controls the printing of our own currency, and then charges the US government interest on those loans. The interest is growing each year, making it difficult if not impossible for our government to pay it. How do we pay this interest? By the US Personal Income Tax. This tax goes to the Rothschild family. In the coming months, as I continue to gather intel and write a book about The First Sphere of Influence, I will share more and more. For now, I kindly ask that you read each of the 165 lines below. One hundred and sixty-five reasons to believe my intel. You can click on each bank and visit its website. I’ve seen each one. They’re real. And they’re one of the reasons why each country is in such deep debt to this insidious family, the Rothschilds. By the way, if you’re curious what the US debt is to the BIS, please refer to the table at the end of this article, taken from the latest statistical results provided by the Joint External Debt Hub, which receives data from the BIS, International Monetary Fund, World Bank, and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. *Want to know what banks they actually own? Here is the complete list:* Afghanistan: Bank of Afghanistan Albania: Bank of Albania Algeria: Bank of Algeria Argentina: Central Bank of Argentina Armenia: Central Bank of Armenia Aruba: Central Bank of Aruba *Australia: Reserve Bank of Australia* Austria: Austrian National Bank Azerbaijan: Central Bank of Azerbaijan Republic Bahamas: Central Bank of The Bahamas Bahrain: Central Bank of Bahrain Bangladesh: Bangladesh Bank Barbados: Central Bank of Barbados Belarus: National Bank of the Republic of Belarus Belgium: National Bank of Belgium Belize: Central Bank of Belize Benin: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO) Bermuda: Bermuda Monetary Authority Bhutan: Royal Monetary Authority of Bhutan Bolivia: Central Bank of Bolivia Bosnia: Central Bank of Bosnia and Herzegovina Botswana: Bank of Botswana Brazil: Central Bank of Brazil Bulgaria: Bulgarian National Bank Burkina Faso: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO) Burundi: Bank of the Republic of Burundi Cambodia: National Bank of Cambodia Cameroon: Bank of Central African States Canada: Bank of Canada – Banque du Canada Cayman Islands: Cayman Islands Monetary Authority Central African Republic: Bank of Central African States Chad: Bank of Central African States Chile: Central Bank of Chile China: The People’s Bank of China Colombia: Bank of the Republic Comoros: Central Bank of Comoros Congo: Bank of Central African States Costa Rica: Central Bank of Costa Rica Côte d’Ivoire: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO) Croatia: Croatian National Bank Cuba: Central Bank of Cuba Cyprus: Central Bank of Cyprus Czech Republic: Czech National Bank Denmark: National Bank of Denmark Dominican Republic: Central Bank of the Dominican Republic East Caribbean area: Eastern Caribbean Central Bank Ecuador: Central Bank of Ecuador Egypt: Central Bank of Egypt El Salvador: Central Reserve Bank of El Salvador Equatorial Guinea: Bank of Central African States Estonia: Bank of Estonia Ethiopia: National Bank of Ethiopia European Union: European Central Bank Fiji: Reserve Bank of Fiji Finland: Bank of Finland France: Bank of France Gabon: Bank of Central African States The Gambia: Central Bank of The Gambia Georgia: National Bank of Georgia Germany: Deutsche Bundesbank Ghana: Bank of Ghana Greece: Bank of Greece Guatemala: Bank of Guatemala Guinea Bissau: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO) Guyana: Bank of Guyana Haiti: Central Bank of Haiti Honduras: Central Bank of Honduras Hong Kong: Hong Kong Monetary Authority Hungary: Magyar Nemzeti Bank Iceland: Central Bank of Iceland India: Reserve Bank of India Indonesia: Bank Indonesia Iran: The Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran Iraq: Central Bank of Iraq Ireland: Central Bank and Financial Services Authority of Ireland Israel: Bank of Israel Italy: Bank of Italy Jamaica: Bank of Jamaica Japan: Bank of Japan Jordan: Central Bank of Jordan Kazakhstan: National Bank of Kazakhstan Kenya: Central Bank of Kenya Korea: Bank of Korea Kuwait: Central Bank of Kuwait Kyrgyzstan: National Bank of the Kyrgyz Republic Latvia: Bank of Latvia Lebanon: Central Bank of Lebanon Lesotho: Central Bank of Lesotho Libya: Central Bank of Libya (Their most recent conquest) Uruguay: Central Bank of Uruguay Lithuania: Bank of Lithuania Luxembourg: Central Bank of Luxembourg Macao: Monetary Authority of Macao Macedonia: National Bank of the Republic of Macedonia Madagascar: Central Bank of Madagascar Malawi: Reserve Bank of Malawi Malaysia: Central Bank of Malaysia Mali: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO) Malta: Central Bank of Malta Mauritius: Bank of Mauritius Mexico: Bank of Mexico Moldova: National Bank of Moldova Mongolia: Bank of Mongolia Montenegro: Central Bank of Montenegro Morocco: Bank of Morocco Mozambique: Bank of Mozambique Namibia: Bank of Namibia Nepal: Central Bank of Nepal Netherlands: Netherlands Bank Netherlands Antilles: Bank of the Netherlands Antilles New Zealand: Reserve Bank of New Zealand Nicaragua: Central Bank of Nicaragua Niger: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO) Nigeria: Central Bank of Nigeria Norway: Central Bank of Norway Oman: Central Bank of Oman Pakistan: State Bank of Pakistan Papua New Guinea: Bank of Papua New Guinea Paraguay: Central Bank of Paraguay Peru: Central Reserve Bank of Peru Philippines: Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas Poland: National Bank of Poland Portugal: Bank of Portugal Qatar: Qatar Central Bank Romania: National Bank of Romania Russia: Central Bank of Russia Rwanda: National Bank of Rwanda San Marino: Central Bank of the Republic of San Marino Samoa: Central Bank of Samoa Saudi Arabia: Saudi Arabian Monetary Agency Senegal: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO) Serbia: National Bank of Serbia Seychelles: Central Bank of Seychelles Sierra Leone: Bank of Sierra Leone Singapore: Monetary Authority of Singapore Slovakia: National Bank of Slovakia Slovenia: Bank of Slovenia Solomon Islands: Central Bank of Solomon Islands South Africa: South African Reserve Bank Spain: Bank of Spain Sri Lanka: Central Bank of Sri Lanka Sudan: Bank of Sudan Surinam: Central Bank of Suriname Swaziland: The Central Bank of Swaziland Sweden: Sveriges Riksbank Switzerland: Swiss National Bank Tajikistan: National Bank of Tajikistan Tanzania: Bank of Tanzania Thailand: Bank of Thailand Togo: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO) Tonga: National Reserve Bank of Tonga Trinidad and Tobago: Central Bank of Trinidad and Tobago Tunisia: Central Bank of Tunisia Turkey: Central Bank of the Republic of Turkey Uganda: Bank of Uganda Ukraine: National Bank of Ukraine United Arab Emirates: Central Bank of United Arab Emirates United Kingdom: Bank of England United States: Federal Reserve, Federal Reserve Bank of New York Vanuatu: Reserve Bank of Vanuatu Venezuela: Central Bank of Venezuela Vietnam: The State Bank of Vietnam Yemen: Central Bank of Yemen Zambia: Bank of Zambia Zimbabwe: Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe According to *humanfree* <http://humansarefree.com/2013/11/complete-list-of-banks-ownedcontrolled.htm…>: Virtually unknown to the general public is the fact that the US Federal Reserve is a privately owned company, siting on its very own patch of land, immune to the US laws. This privately owned company (controlled by the Rothschilds, Rockefellers and Morgans) prints the money FOR the US Government, which pays them interest for the “favor.” This means that if we would reset the nation’s debt today and would begin reprinting money, we would be in debt to the FED from the very first dollar loaned to our Government. Also, most people living in the USA have no clue that the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) is a foreign agency. To be more accurate, the IRS is a foreign private corporation of the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and is the private “army” of the Federal Reserve (Fed). Its main goal is to make sure the American people pay their tax and be good little slaves. *In 1835, US President Andrew Jackson declared his disdain for the international bankers:* “You are a den of vipers. I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning.” There followed an (unsuccessful) assassination attempt on President Jackson’s life. Jackson had told his vice president, Martin Van Buren: “The bank, Mr. Van Buren, is trying to kill me.” This was the beginning of a pattern of intrigue that would plague the White House itself over the coming decades. Both Lincoln and JFK have been murdered for trying to rid the country of banksters. *The world’s Megabanks* There are two Megabanks that offer loans to all the countries around the planet, the World Bank and the IMF. The first one is jointly owned by the world’s top banking families, with the Rothschilds at the very top, while the second one is privately owned by the Rothschilds alone. These two Megabanks offer loans to “developing countries” and use their almost impossible-to-pay-back interests to get their hands on the real wealth: land and precious metals. But that’s not all! An important part of their plan is to also exploit a country’s natural resources (like petrol or gas) via their covertly-owned companies, refine them, and sell them back to the same country, making a huge profit. But in order for these companies to operate optimally, they need a solid infrastructure, which is usually lacking in the so called “developing countries.” So before the banksters even offer the almost impossible-to-pay-back loans, they make sure that most of the money will be invested in — you’ve guessed it — infrastructure. These “negotiations” are carried out by the so called “Economic Hitmen”, who succeed by handsomely rewarding (i.e. bribing) or threatening with death those who are in the position to sell away their country. For more information on the subject, I suggest reading the Confessions of an Economic Hitman. The one bank that rules them all, the “Bank for International Settlement,” is — obviously — controlled by the Rothschilds and it is nicknamed the “Tower of Basel.” The true power of the Rothschilds goes FAR beyond the Banking Empire If you are not yet amazed by the power of the Rothschilds (I know you are), please know that they are also behind all wars since Napoleon. That’s when they’ve discovered just how profitable it is to finance both sides of a war and they’ve been doing it ever since. In 1849, Guttle Schnapper, the wife of Mayer Amschel stated: “If my sons did not want wars, there would be none.” So, the world is still at war because it is very, very profitable to the Rothschilds and their parasite bankster bloodlines. And for as long as we will continue to use money, the world will never know peace. It is shocking for many to find out that the United States of America is a corporation ruled from abroad. Its original name was the Virginia Company and it was owned by the British Crown (it should not be mistaken for the Queen, which functions largely in a ceremonial capacity only). The British Crown donated the company to the Vatican, which gave the exploitation rights back to the Crown. The US Presidents are appointed CEOs and their business is to make money for the British Crown and the Vatican, who take their share of the profits every year. The British Crown covertly rules the world from the 677-acre, independent sovereign state, know as The City of London. This other Crown is comprised of a committee of 12 banks headed by the Bank of England. Guess who is controlling the Bank of England? Yes, the Rothschilds! In 1815, Nathan Mayer made the following statement: “I care not what puppet is placed upon the throne of England to rule the Empire on which the sun never sets. The man who controls Britain’s money supply controls the British Empire, and I control the British money supply.” The House of Rothschild is really at the top of the pyramid of power. They are behind the New World Order and the complete domination of the world agenda. They are behind the European Union and the Euro and they are behind the idea of a North American Union and the Amero. They are controlling all of the world’s secret services and their private army is NATO. ----- End forwarded message -----

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What is the value of the State?
by \0xDynamite 04 May '17

04 May '17

This seems like a lame question, but What is the value of the State? Do activists require a State (defined as a codifed system of governance)? Without a State, would we have electronics? Radio? Computers? Mass Transit? Bikes? And if we need a State, what form should it take? Marxos

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defend that female - the biological imperative :)
by Zenaan Harkness 04 May '17

04 May '17

First guy gets a little tail, second guy wants in on the action, first guy loses a couple rounds, then mans up for a true street fight, barrel rolls and all, comes out victorious. Some humans could learn a thing or two.. http://newatlas.com/male-cuttlefish-fighting-in-wild/49322/?utm_source=Gizm… "This requires more smarts than making decisions based on one's strength alone, which is not surprising given that scientists consider cuttlefish to be one of the smartest invertebrates around."

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[CypherPunks] Event Invitation (May 23, 2017 - New York, New York)
by Joshua 03 May '17

03 May '17

If you're interested in Bitcoin and are also interested in building out independent economic systems powered by artificial intelligence or whatever then you should come. Free food, drinks, and pleasant conversation. https://www.eventbrite.com/e/social-and-fireside-chat-sponsored-by-zen-tick… movrcx -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJZCf08AAoJEIR3tCCHdM/tpFcP/R5bvD53v9fIio1xTAPorLlb k5wXewaufWl6CYFnxIqPXiqTKNibdfS3b9kk2o/pByys1JmXsvbtCY2+fj2ApM3e 3DL57YTZPETVgFpSKI6V8l5SXljQKSlyGQTHoI4f6Tk3dvHoDABc2AkC3rxQbM1k 6AwSaWtD1iz/go4+SyUonL3M/ROCLz8hQNyJOfUpoUoqjUzuaIjd64HPUHbgSYpE PcKzK+M0qCCtBHGQVgKQsAZov14aakNJVf7KR44HzCDBhB7fxin0TMQcHcTxvkdN Ftj6nJgW9MBY0M9CP8LxNIvHLG+mqK0nNhm5eKHt3JScLgR0F62r8GVWzG+NrTZT adVrIpKMhLQFRPfR7r0cu5YqdC/aLIS10nxFgP3X1yn3EEi3o6RXwgbQuh6W38y1 JyIKik1b2FCza2LVbZpXxxm8Rr7fLv/sa0jX5iGA/5w4yyfH/uUG/pjcmpWHG9iq E8aY6aoxusu+HWwc+IeiK8fR0l2DxKk3m0SPVYLvQPQ2J4DM7BHEGtDFi5+eih/w vYVUyK+GN8kULtgxD/vNGmtK8qz9twuCdhcAWwWt14kvXfHeRohcteJrmeu4LuV1 lt2QnF8rastXcPx+zMjsx2dugenl/uZQ//nThkMl+UbBTVicunDk+q+mTlGwfnal CmAOcKXqTCinYQ8WjTsB =rVwR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[MONEY] [WAR] [BOLIVIA] - Evo Morales "Banks control the world"
by Zenaan Harkness 03 May '17

03 May '17

More and more, a few public figures are speaking out. Some spoke too soon and tried to shift their country "unilaterally against USA/ banks' interests" like Gadhafi/Qaddafi of Lybia and without a proper unity with other nations/ other peoples. The forces/ intentions/ powers involved, are too great and too ruthless for a nation such as Lybia or Syria without support of another that would support for a "multi polar" "many powers" world, against the one world order of the Rothschild's one world banking order. Evo Morales: take note of the Saddams and the Qaddafis now gone - your "independence" must be in action with others also obtaining/ retaining their independence, and not alone. This might be stating the obvious, but the obvious weren't so obvious to Qaddafi, to Saddam and to many before them. China has rolled over to the comfort of the IMF and World Bank, although keeping a toe in with Russia and the BRICS NDB, as well as hedging with their own AIIB/Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank - but how independent they are, and how intertwined with the IMF, I don't know. Ultimately the current money interests wish to retain their power and authority, and what we witness appears to be possibly just factional fighting between the existing "moneyed powers" or authorities, what some call the "banking families". They fight ruthlessly, and completely unfairly, at every turn. So, what are the binds/ intertwining of the NDB and the AIIB? Are these entities beneficial in the long term, or are we witnessing mere factional fights and nothing more than the long term persistence of the enslavement of humanity? Can digital currencies generate "faith" in their "reality" enough to shift the enslavement (debt based) regime on this planet for any significant number of humans? Are there enough humans even considering such long term questions and considerations to be able to effect any significant shift? ** Bolivia Drops Truth Bomb: Independent Monetary Policy Is Key to National Sovereignty http://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413c… ------------------------------------------------------------ by RI Staff on Tue, May 2, 2017 Bolivia is one of the few countries left on Earth that has the cojones to tell it like it is. We witnessed some much needed truth-telling last month when Bolivia's ambassador to the UN deconstructed Nikki Haley's word goo at the Security Council: "Now the United States believe that they are investigators, they are attorneys, judges and they are the executioners ... The unilateral actions are imperialistic actions. The USA is not interested in international law; they ignore it when it is inconvenient to them". But this was just a warm-up lap.

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who are the right people?
by Ryan Carboni 02 May '17

02 May '17

https://semiaccurate.com/2017/05/01/remote-security-exploit-2008-intel-plat… > First a little bit of background. SemiAccurate has known about this vulnerability for literally years now, it came up in research we were doing on hardware backdoors over five years ago. What we found was scary on a level that literally kept us up at night. For obvious reasons we couldn’t publish what we found out but we took every opportunity to beg anyone who could even tangentially influence the right people to do something about this security problem. SemiAccurate explained the problem to literally dozens of “right people” to seemingly no avail. We also strongly hinted that it existed at every chance we had. ... > The problem is quite simple, the ME controls the network ports and has DMA access to the system. It can arbitrarily read and write to any memory or storage on the system, can bypass disk encryption once it is unlocked (and possibly if it has not, SemiAccurate hasn’t been able to 100% verify this capability yet), read and write to the screen, and do all of this completely unlogged. Due to the network access abilities, it can also send whatever it finds out to wherever it wants, encrypted or not. keep in mind, just how many computers run Intel. We don't backdoor encryption. We backdoor everything. We should have adopted the Clipper chip.

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ICYMI: Standards for Opening FBI Investigation So Low They Make Statistic Meaningless
by Razer 02 May '17

02 May '17

HAHAHA! Federally-connected legal wonkblog! > > Department of Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly recently told an > audience that terrorism is “as threatening today” as it was on 9/11. > As evidence, he used the oft-repeated statistic that the FBI has > active terrorism investigations in all 50 states. This claim has > fueled public fear of terrorism because, by and large, the public > believes that the FBI must have a reasonable factual basis to open an > investigation. It does not. Instead, the standards for opening FBI > inquiries are so unreasonably low that directors of the FBI have been > reluctant to clearly articulate them in public. > > FBI Director James Comey testified on March 20 before the House > Intelligence Committee about his agency’s investigation into whether > the Trump campaign colluded with the Russian government to influence > the 2016 presidential election. Lawmakers asked Comey seven separate > times about the FBI’s standard for opening an investigation. One such > question came from Rep. Mike Turner, a Republican from Ohio, who asked > whether the FBI needed “some action or information”—besides a record > that an individual attended a meeting, was paid to appear at a > conference, or traveled abroad—before opening an FBI > counterintelligence investigation. > > Comey responded, saying that there are a “couple different [standards] > at play.” Elaborating, he said... > > More. With links: https://www.justsecurity.org/40451/standards-opening-fbi-investigation-stat…

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Public discourse progressing - [ahrc@unsw.edu.au: Book launch: Cultural heritage and human rights | 15th May 2017 at 5pm]
by Zenaan Harkness 02 May '17

02 May '17

I cannot speak much to the "Australian Human Rights Centre", but they're Aussies, so they're probably not all bad, and they're from a University, so they're probably a bit bookish, which wouldn't bee too foreign to most folks these days ... What stands out is that "politically correct" public discourse is evidently on the move, and I say (in this example at least), in a good way, and in a good direction. By denying any part of our reality, which includes our cultural/national heritage, we are submitting ourselves to an artificial discourse, submitting ourselves artificially to a denial of part of ourselves and our communities. "The Left" has had a strong hold on the public discourse now for a few decades indeed, and some would say to the result of some distinctly negative consequences, incuding the inability to even discuss certain topics ("did the holocaust actually happen, in anything like what the typical belief/ hollywood projection is?"), and with other discussions stilted, curtailed and altogether biased in ways which are against our interests. And so it is a good thing that some of these Politically Correct strictures are being busted, and we begin to publicly discuss any topic that individuals consider to be important. If you consider this type of conversation important, then consider forwarding this to those who might agree with you. Regards, Zenaan ----- Forwarded message from The Australian Human Rights Centre <ahrc(a)unsw.edu.au> ----- From: The Australian Human Rights Centre <ahrc(a)unsw.edu.au> To: zen(a)freedbms.net Reply-To: The Australian Human Rights Centre <ahrc(a)unsw.edu.au> Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 06:53:54 +0000 Subject: Book launch: Cultural heritage and human rights | 15th May 2017 at 5pm The AHRCentre invites you to https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/book-launch-cultural-heritage-and-human-rig… Cultural heritage and human rights: documentary screening and book launch edited by Andrea Durbach and Lucas Lixinski Date: Monday, 15 May 2017 Time: 5pm - 7pm Venue: Common Room, Level 2, UNSW Law Cultural heritage is a critical component of cultural identity and its deliberate destruction can have a detrimental and enduring impact on human dignity and human rights. Events in Syria and Iraq underscore this relationship. We invite you to a screening of the award-winning documentary The Destruction of Memory (http://destructionofmemoryfilm.com/?mc_cid=e99babcf10&mc_eid=[UNIQID]) and to the launch of Heritage, Culture and Rights: Challenging Legal Discourses (http://www.bloomsburyprofessional.com/uk/heritage-culture-and-rights-978184…) edited by Andrea Durbach and Lucas Lixinski. The book will be launched by Annmaree O'Keeffe (http://dfat.gov.au/international-relations/international-organisations/un/u…) , Chair of the Australian National Commission for UNESCO. Click here for details about Heritage, Culture and Rights: Challenging Legal Discourses (http://www.bloomsburyprofessional.com/uk/heritage-culture-and-rights-978184…) RSVP (https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/book-launch-cultural-heritage-and-human-rig…) ============================================================ Copyright © 2017 AHRCentre, All rights reserved. We've sent this email to you because you have subscribed to our newsletters. Our mailing address is: AHRCentre UNSW Law UNSW Sydney, NSW 2052 Australia Want to change how you receive these emails? You can ** update your preferences (http://ahrcentre.us10.list-manage1.com/profile?u=34bbc8dd21e24b7b231922920&…) or ** unsubscribe from this list (http://ahrcentre.us10.list-manage.com/unsubscribe?u=34bbc8dd21e24b7b2319229…) ----- End forwarded message -----

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Re: A raging public debate - or not - was [zen@freedbms.net: Re: republican fools]
by 'Zenaan Harkness' 02 May '17

02 May '17

On Tue, May 02, 2017 at 04:35:56PM +1000, Charles Mollison wrote: > Full marks to John Wilson! > > Such a gathering would achieve much of what Zenaan is asking for. So you say. But do you address what is said? > The FNR Draft Constitution was conceived over ten years by hundreds > of ordinary Australians (no lawyers or politicians) with just such > a gathering in mind. Oh? Over 10 years? Which is why all the "freedom people" I am aware of, and a few of which I've named, all know about this "10 year effort". YOU, Charles Mollison, are a deceiver... > The idea was to provide a start point for discussions ...and a liar. And I'll explain why for the benefit of those who are unable to see your performance for what it is: Charles Mollison says: 1) "This is a 10 year 'community' effort people!" 2) "Oh we just had this idea you see, just to kick off a discussion" But Charles, you said you started 10 years ago? "Why yes" says Charles. But Charles, then you say it's just an idea to kick off a community discussion? "Why yes" says Charles. But Charles, you say that this massive 10 year effort is only by the community? "Why yes" says Charles. But Charles, if you just wanted to kick off a discussion, why did it take you 10 years to tell us all about it - we've all been on email for the last 15 to 20+ years at least? Charles: "well ... umm ... please ignore the contradiction". You, Charles Molison, are treating us like morons, like we are missing a brain cell or two. You throw around an accolade or three, patting a few folks on the back condescendingly "there, there, citizen", telling us "all your problems will be solved with this one little thing we've done ... whoops, sorry, did I say we? I meant, this one little thing that a huge bunch of YOU GUYS have done over the last 10 years, even though none of you know fuck all about it". My, my, Charles, what big contradictory sentences you have there . . . > and to show people like Zenaan that change for the better is > possible without ''throwing the baby out with the bath water!" Yes, yes Charles, we hear you loud and clear, you and your cronies have got all the solutions to all our problems, and you have no need to answer John Wilson, Gerrit, Stefanovski or anyone else in the community with clear, genuine, and fundamental problems with what you're saying, because, yes, yes Charles, that's right, this "new constitution to solve all our problems" is not coming from you, it's coming from us, because we all discussed it as a community over the last 10 years Charles. My, my Charles, what big lies you have there... > The FNR Draft Constitution is NOT presented as the final solution. It only took you 10 years to develop it, why the hell is it NOT a final solution - or is it, The Final Solution from Nazi Germany to wipe out The Jewish Problem Charles? > It is published (at great personal expense) Because whipping it up on a website is SOOOO expensive Charles. Yes, yes Charles, your words make PERFECT SENSE! > so the PEOPLE can see a whole, Ah yes Charles, that's right Charles, you are publishing "the final solution", so we the pathetic people can see what WE SUPPOSEDLY CREATED OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS! If only we'd actually known that this is what we'd done in the last 10 years, then we'd all know about it already. My, my, Charles, what PERFECT sense you make Charles! > conclusive and totally integrated example of what could be > achieved. Yes, I hear you Charles, we're all so stupid that our stupid cries for justice, for trial by jury, and for our politicians and courts to STICK TO THE CONSTITUTION WE ALREADY HAVE, is just so stupid of us, that's why we need you, Charles, you and your cronies Charles, to save us from our own stupidity, and so now ... ... you present ... ... your ... wait for it ... final solution! Yes, yes, Charles, we hear you - a final, "proper" constitution, because what we're all those stoopid founding fathers spending countless 1000s of hours and 15+ years of conferences doing? Just who the hell did they think they were trying to create a constitution, they didn't know shit, that's right Charles? Yes, they had no idea what they were doing which is why you Charles, you are your cronies ... now present to us ... wait for it ... AT GREAT PERSONAL EXPENSE ... Dum, dah dah dahhhhhhhhhhh ..... a PROPER constitution! But I thought it should be by the people Charles? "That's why we're presenting it to you now, fool" sayeth Charles. But, I thought you said we already all talked and discussed about it over the last 10 years Charles? "Why yes, yes I did say that" sayeth Charles. And you keep a straight face Charles? "Why yes, yes I do" sayeth Charles. > And so that the PEOPLE have a basis on which to conduct a > fruitful discussion. So "we the community" spent the last *** 10 years !! *** discussing this draft constitution, so the we "the PEOPLE" (according to you) can have a basis on which to "conduct a fruitful discussion", because if you had not come up with a draft upon which we could conduct a fruitful discussion, we plebian PEOPLE are so bloody stupid, we could not hope to have a "fruitful discussion". My, my, Charles, what condescending words and lusciously contradictory logic you have there Charles... > One thing is for sure and that is that nothing will change while > every man and his dog is offering up partial solutions and every > other man and his dog is tearing him down. Well Charles, one thing is for certain and that is that nothing will change while men such as yourself proclaim to act in service to the community whilst speaking condescendingly to us "community" and lying your face off whilst you do it. Hmm? > I started on this journey more than 20 years ago and the reason I > have been quiet of late is because I got sick of the bickering > between activists who SHOULD be pulling together. And I s'pose you wonder why the PEOPLE don't flock to your glorious side? It surprises my why they don't Charles, it really surprises me... I'm sure John, Jim, Gerrit and the rest are just kicking themselves that they all missed out on your glorious "community consultations" to create a "proper constitution" that you made (you or the people Charles?) at "great personal expense to yourself". Well, well, Charles, what a wicked web you weave... > I am prepared to forward a complimentary, hard copy of the Draft > Constitution to anyone in this discussion at my own expense. Just Trying to save face now? How about you own up to your egotistical bullshit first, apologize profusely, and stop speaking so condescendingly to us all? How does that sound as a face saving gesture? > send me an address. The only cost to you is that I ask you to get > back to me with what you don't like about it and why! So you and your worldly "Lords" can come back and present "The people's constitution" that you now spent "20 years" preparing, ahem, that the people spent preparing? Please, Charles, what do you take us for? Evidently you take us for fools. As some might, for some random unknown reason, think to say, "take a hike, Charles". I dunno, some might think to say that. I don't know why, it just sort of randomly springs to mind... Sincerely, Zenaan, Victoria, South Australia > Charles > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Wilson [mailto:jhwilson@rightsandwrong.com.au] ...

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Re: A raging public debate - or not - was [zen@freedbms.net: Re: republican fools]
by 'Zenaan Harkness' 02 May '17

02 May '17

On Tue, May 02, 2017 at 02:35:52PM +1000, John Wilson wrote: > Dear Zenaan, > > " that's what we expect from the government" is a statement that can't go > unnoticed..........people are misled into think parliaments are > government.............parliaments are NOT government........courts are > government (attached explanation).........and we, if we only knew some > history, must not shirk from demanding trial by jury to govern ourselves and > our country from our courts. > > Therefore, you should have said, "that's what we should expect from > ourselves". I agree with this. And well said, thank you, Zenaan (We work from existing reality, and dominant existing think. There are alternative future utopias, some are easier to approach than others.) > Yours sincerely, > John Wilson.

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