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Re: A raging public debate - or not - was [zen@freedbms.net: Re: republican fools]
by 'Zenaan Harkness' 02 May '17

02 May '17

Dear John, I don't think the timings quite right - perhaps 2018 I'd say. Also, it would be (just at this point in time) merely a reaction to ARM and Charles Mollison - NOT the right approach (that's what we expect from the government). We can do better, and besides, in this day and age, we can communicate readily and speedily online compared to 100 years ago, that's pretty awesome :) Regards, Zenaan On Tue, May 02, 2017 at 02:01:12PM +1000, John Wilson wrote: > Dear Zenaan, > > It's time we had a CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION - like what they done in the 1890s. > How about holding it at the Australian National University campus in Canberra? > A 3-day weekend ought to do it....Friday, Saturday & Sunday. > Give everybody sufficient notice... say, 6 months.....November is enough time to save up for the trip from anywhere in our vast brown land. > Anyone who wants to peddle his concepts can have a stall. > A timetable of presentations can be put together......with Q&As, of course.......using the lecture theatres. > We can have political parties there, too, along with special-interest groups, etc. > We need not actually produce a definitive document, at the end of the 3 days.........we just need to have a checklist of the essential elements to go into one. > > How about it? > > Yours sincerely, > John Wilson. > Ph: 0401 413 650 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Zenaan Harkness [mailto:zen@freedbms.net] > Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 1:09 PM > To: CypherPunks > Cc: 'Jim'; Charles Mollison; 'John Wilson'; 'Doug Harrison'; 'RAY PLATT'; 'Rena Iliades'; 'Bev'; 'Mark B'; cppeele(a)mindspring.com; debitax(a)yahoo.com.au; darryl.o(a)hotmail.com; davedale(a)iprimus.com.au; dpringle(a)alphalink.com.au; 'Peter Lindsay'; 'Mark Filby'; flora(a)reachnet.com.au; 'Gerrit Schorel-Hlavka'; grandduchy(a)hotmail.com; gregcadwallader(a)hotmail.com; 'George Gault'; johng444(a)bigpond.com; 'Jim MacLeod'; 'JohnV'; knowyourrights(a)ratfm.com; lyn(a)aldoda.com; marsiergn2000(a)yahoo.com.au; nmaine(a)bigpond.net.au; ozliberatas(a)skymesh.com.au; peterforde(a)ozunited.com; 'Us @ SumOfUs' > Subject: A raging public debate - or not - was [zen(a)freedbms.net: Re: republican fools] > > The eternal vigilance we must display when we have relatively solid > foundations, as we do in Australia notwithstanding the mostly self > serving corrup politicians and other power brokers, is notable. ...

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A raging public debate - or not - Part 4 - was [zen@freedbms.net: Re: Trial by Jury]
by Zenaan Harkness 02 May '17

02 May '17

It gets better :) Zenaan ----- Forwarded message from Zenaan Harkness <zen(a)freedbms.net> ----- From: Zenaan Harkness <zen(a)freedbms.net> To: Charles Mollison <cobbscrossing(a)bigpond.com> Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 13:19:19 +1000 Subject: Re: Trial by Jury On Tue, May 02, 2017 at 01:04:09PM +1000, Charles Mollison wrote: > Dear Doug > > Trial by jury is terrific and is the only way to go. > > However, jury trials for every court case is simply impractical. > DO THE SUMS! Dear Charles, With your second sentence above ("However ... DO THE SUMS!") you have utterly detracted from your first sentence ("Trial by jury is terrific and is the only way to go.") So, evidently by your second sentence, although trial by jury may be terrific, according to YOU it is "NOT the only way to go". > Trial by jury in every case would mean each one of us would spend > half our life in court. Because if we DID have trial by jury, the police and the government would NOT be able to keep charging us for TRIVIAL SHIT. And so, Charles, when you imply otherwise, you are telling us with your grande authority that "we cannot have trial by jury" because otherwise the police and the courts could not enforce all their trivial and superficial fines. Astounding logic Charles, astounding logic! Just as well you're not promoting replacing our Australian federal constitution and its awesome Preamble and other foundations, or you might stuff Australia up "royally". Just as well mate, just as well... Zenaan > Charles > > > > From: Doug Harrison [mailto:dougharrison1950@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 10:30 AM > To: John Wilson <jhwilson(a)rightsandwrong.com.au> > Cc: CSubject: Re: republican fools > > > > active discussion and debate can only do good. > > > > One point is that the Common Law system of administratioe and every individualn of justice among the people is over 1400 years old, and the more modern form with Trial by Jury is around 850 years old. It is still claimed to be a great success today in England and Wales. (read my article No 6) History has a HUGH lesson for us to follow, traced back to before Alfred the Great. > > > > Charles Mollinson renewal is good, but NEVER tested, Why dive into the waters when you have no idea how deep, let alone strong currents to carry one away? > > Charles, I am not saying you constitutional ideas are right or wrong, just unnecessary. > > > > We can introduce Common :Law and Trial by Jury --- all Australians come responsible for justice amongst ourselves. How good for justice and teaching and making individuals responsible. > > Lord Irvine of Laig in 2002 whilst in Australia said Magna Charta still constitutionally applies in full in Australia, the only place in the world. Only 4 parts now in 2002 applied in England & Wales. > > > > So why re-invent the wheel ? > > > > We must remember in a terrifying world, our federation and Constitution hold good, sort of., and Australia is by geography and people the safest and best place on Earth. Let us create continuing peace, and a Common Law justice system. Then Parliaments will not be supreme , as they now claim, and the High Court is outside the common laws, and its jurisdiction outside the Common Law --- ie it is not an original court or appellant at Commom Law. > > > > We in fact ask for our full constitutional Law, which in 1828 was bequeated to the Colony of NSW and from their to all Australia to put into affect. We demand what in fact OURS, and just put it into FULL effect, today. > > > > Charles my historic investigation updated only months ago, reveal IRRESPONSIBILITY is part of responsible government in a federation. I cannot work properly without the moderating influence of the people, and that is what Common Law with Trial by Jury and investigation by Grand Jury will do. > > > > Your constitution would hand back responsibility to where it is today ??? > > > > Doug Harrison > > > > On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 11:01 PM, John Wilson <jhwilson(a)rightsandwrong.com.au <mailto:jhwilson@rightsandwrong.com.au> > wrote: > > Dear Charles Mollison, > > > > You did not mention TRIAL BY JURY as the method of PEOPLE GOVERNING THEMSELVES……….why? > > You should learn what TRIAL BYJURY actually is….the attachment, here, might help you begin. > > > > Yours sincerely, > > John Wilson. > > PS: Please email this “whole new Constitution such as is proposed in the Draft Constitution published by the Foundation for National Renewal (FNR).”..or give me the website where it can freely be found. > > > > > > From: Charles Mollison [mailto:cobbscrossing@bigpond.com <mailto:cobbscrossing@bigpond.com> ] > Sent: Monday, 1 May 2017 8:39 PM > To: 'Doug Harrison'; 'RAY PLATT'; 'Rena Iliades'; 'Bev'; 'Mark B'; cppeele(a)mindspring.com <mailto:cppeele@mindspring.com> ; debitax(a)yahoo.com.au <mailto:debitax@yahoo.com.au> ; darryl.o(a)hotmail.com <mailto:darryl.o@hotmail.com> ; davedale(a)iprimus.com.au <mailto:davedale@iprimus.com.au> ; dpringle(a)alphalink.com.au <mailto:dpringle@alphalink.com.au> ; 'Peter Lindsay'; 'Mark Filby'; flora(a)reachnet.com.au <mailto:flora@reachnet.com.au> ; 'Gerrit Schorel-Hlavka'; grandduchy(a)hotmail.com <mailto:grandduchy@hotmail.com> ; gregcadwallader(a)hotmail.com <mailto:gregcadwallader@hotmail.com> ; 'George Gault'; info(a)mycg.org <mailto:info@mycg.org> ; 'John Wilson'; 'Jim'; johng444(a)bigpond.com <mailto:johng444@bigpond.com> ; 'Jim MacLeod'; 'JohnV'; knowyourrights(a)ratfm.com; lyn(a)aldoda.com <mailto:lyn@aldoda.com> ; marsiergn2000(a)yahoo.com.au <mailto:marsiergn2000@yahoo.com.au> ; nmaine(a)bigpond.net.au <mailto:nmaine@bigpond.net.au> ; ozliberatas(a)skymesh.com.au <mailto:ozliberatas@skymesh.com.au> ; peterforde(a)ozunited.com <mailto:peterforde@ozunited.com> ; 'Us @ SumOfUs' > Cc: 'Tim Bullen'; 'Tony Royce'; 'Bodey, Cheyenne' > Subject: RE: republican fools > > > > Hi All > > The paper published by Doug Harrison on 1 May is ridiculous. It will do our opposition to the ARM no help at all. > > > > The ARM’s push for a republic is flawed in that they aim for simply dumping the Sovereign of UK as our Head of State – nothing else changes. Such a campaign could well result in a successful referendum when Australia is faced with King Charles 111 as our HoS. Very few Australians will want that. > > > > On the other hand, we do NOT want a President appointed by the politicians. > > > > Australia should not still be tied to the UK apron strings. We should have a Parliamentary Democracy with a President elected by the People to provide a check on the politicians. > > > > A referendum following the demise of Queen Elizabeth ll should be an opportunity to fix all the problems with our society and our system of government. This could be achieved with the adoption of a whole new Constitution such as is proposed in the Draft Constitution published by the Foundation for National Renewal (FNR). > > However, this is unlikely to happen in one referendum. > > > > The opportunity to have a referendum following the Demise of QE ll should be used to achieve a President elected by the People with his/her powers prescribed in our Constitution together with a change to Section 128 of the Constitution to give the People the right to propose amendment of our Constitution so that, over time we can fix all the other problems. > > > > Copies of the Draft Constitution by the FNR that provides a blue-print for a rosy future are available from the FNR. > > Simply email cobbscrossing(a)bigpond.com <mailto:cobbscrossing@bigpond.com> ($20 plus P&P). ----- End forwarded message -----

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A raging public debate - or not - Part 3 - was [zen@freedbms.net: Re: Australian Republican Movement]
by Zenaan Harkness 02 May '17

02 May '17

----- Forwarded message from Zenaan Harkness <zen(a)freedbms.net> ----- From: Zenaan Harkness <zen(a)freedbms.net> To: Charles Mollison <cobbscrossing(a)bigpond.com> Cc: 'Doug Harrison' <dougharrison1950(a)gmail.com>, 'RAY PLATT' <rayplatt(a)iinet.net.au>, 'Rena Iliades' <facrena(a)gmail.com>, 'Bev' <lbpattenden(a)bordernet.com.au>, 'Mark B' <underthewire4me(a)gmail.com>, cppeele(a)mindspring.com, debitax(a)yahoo.com.au, darryl.o(a)hotmail.com, davedale(a)iprimus.com.au, dpringle(a)alphalink.com.au, 'Peter Lindsay' <ewenme.lindsay(a)gmail.com>, 'Mark Filby' <markfilby(a)hotmail.com>, flora(a)reachnet.com.au, 'Gerrit Schorel-Hlavka' <inspector_rikati(a)yahoo.com.au>, grandduchy(a)hotmail.com, gregcadwallader(a)hotmail.com, 'George Gault' <georgegault4(a)gmail.com>, 'Jim' <jim.sovereign(a)optusnet.com.au>, johng444(a)bigpond.com, 'Jim MacLeod' <jim.macleod(a)nor.com.au>, 'JohnV' <jvella(a)dodo.com.au>, knowyourrights(a)ratfm.com, lyn(a)aldoda.com, marsiergn2000(a)yahoo.com.au, nmaine(a)bigpond.net.au, ozliberatas(a)skymesh.com.au, andrew(a)colonialleather.com.au, jillb483(a)gmail.com, gilmay97(a)gmail.com, fenja_schulze(a)yahoo.com, beatonmydrum1(a)aol.com, timbodedidlio(a)gmail.com Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 12:56:21 +1000 Subject: Re: Australian Republican Movement On Tue, May 02, 2017 at 11:36:36AM +1000, Charles Mollison wrote: > Just to illustrate that the ARM is motivated, financed and active! > > Unless we get united and work together, the ARM will succeed in > scrapping the Monarchy and having an Australian Head of State but > we will left with all the other problems in our society and system > of government that John has touched on. Just to illustrate the nature of this 1-2 pronged attack which Charles Mollison is either wittingly or unwittingly engaged in with ARM: - ARM proposes to scrap the monarchy, fundamentally destroying the superb foundation in the Preamble to our Australia federal constitution, thus creating A) the problem - "oh no" say the people "they're creating a problem", thus demonstrating: B) the reaction and finally: - Charles Mollison walzes along and proposes: C) the solution yet fundamentally, Charles Mollison's solution is ALSO fatally flawed, thus exposing what is know as (check it out on the internet/ wikipedia etc) The false dichotomy. The false dichotomy presents two evils or two problems, and says (or better yet, implies) that we must choose between the two of them. But both are evil, problematic, fundamentally and fatally flawed, and are actually designed by those who want something, against the interests of those who they are targetting (we the Australian people). It is a false dichotomy because it says there are only two options, in this case: A) change our Australian constitution in a bad way B) change our Australian constitution in a really bad way But of course, not only is there the option to change our constitution (which as almost always proposed by government power brokers and their witting and unwitting cohorts), but there is a THIRD option, to NOT change our constitution, giving us: A) change our Australian constitution in a bad way B) change our Australian constitution in a really bad way C) do NOT change our Australian constitution Those want either A) or B) (they don't care which of A or B they get, as long as they get either of them), DESPERATELY want us to ignore option C), and try to create a public dialogue that Pre-supposes that option C does not even exist. Stay alert fellow people, stay alert! Eternal vigilance! Regards to all those who uphold our good and wholesome foundations in Australia, Zenaan Harkness ----- End forwarded message -----

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A raging public debate - or not - Part 2 - was [zen@freedbms.net: Re: republican fools]
by Zenaan Harkness 02 May '17

02 May '17

----- Forwarded message from Zenaan Harkness <zen(a)freedbms.net> ----- From: Zenaan Harkness <zen(a)freedbms.net> To: Charles Mollison <cobbscrossing(a)bigpond.com> Cc: 'Doug Harrison' <dougharrison1950(a)gmail.com>, 'RAY PLATT' <rayplatt(a)iinet.net.au>, 'Rena Iliades' <facrena(a)gmail.com>, 'Bev' <lbpattenden(a)bordernet.com.au>, 'Mark B' <underthewire4me(a)gmail.com>, cppeele(a)mindspring.com, debitax(a)yahoo.com.au, darryl.o(a)hotmail.com, davedale(a)iprimus.com.au, dpringle(a)alphalink.com.au, 'Peter Lindsay' <ewenme.lindsay(a)gmail.com>, 'Mark Filby' <markfilby(a)hotmail.com>, flora(a)reachnet.com.au, 'Gerrit Schorel-Hlavka' <inspector_rikati(a)yahoo.com.au>, grandduchy(a)hotmail.com, gregcadwallader(a)hotmail.com, 'George Gault' <georgegault4(a)gmail.com>, 'Jim' <jim.sovereign(a)optusnet.com.au>, johng444(a)bigpond.com, 'Jim MacLeod' <jim.macleod(a)nor.com.au>, 'JohnV' <jvella(a)dodo.com.au>, knowyourrights(a)ratfm.com, lyn(a)aldoda.com, marsiergn2000(a)yahoo.com.au, nmaine(a)bigpond.net.au, ozliberatas(a)skymesh.com.au, andrew(a)colonialleather.com.au, fenja_schulze(a)yahoo.com, beatonmydrum1(a)aol.com, timbodedidlio(a)gmail.com, jillb483(a)gmail.com Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 12:47:11 +1000 Subject: Re: Australian Republican Movement A warning to everyone, keep a close on eye on these "ARM" guys and anyone who even smells similar, they may well cause major, irreversible problems for Australia! Regards, Zenaan Harkness, Victoria, Australia On Tue, May 02, 2017 at 11:36:36AM +1000, Charles Mollison wrote: > > > Just to illustrate that the ARM is motivated, financed and active! > > > > Unless we get united and work together, the ARM will succeed in scrapping the Monarchy and having an Australian Head of State but we will left with all the other problems in our society and system of government that John has touched on. > > > > Charles Mollison > > <http://www.republic.org.au/?e=fe9d35277fc88c60545cc17c76199ef6&utm_source=a…> > > Hi Charles, > > We're hitting the streets to spread the message that Australia should have an Australian as head of state - and we need your help. > > The plan is simple: we are doing a targeted letterbox drop as part of a national day of action. The more homes we reach, the more interest we generate in our cause. The republic campaign is growing but the momentum we build depends on supporters like you. That's why we'd like you to come along and give us a hand to promote the republic: > > When? 10am, Saturday 13 May 2017. > Where? Volunteer meetup to be confirmed following RSVP. > How do I RSVP to help? Click on your State: > <http://www.republic.org.au/national_day_of_action_queensland?e=fe9d35277fc8…> QLD > <http://www.republic.org.au/national_day_of_action_nsw?e=fe9d35277fc88c60545…> NSW > <http://www.republic.org.au/national_day_of_action_act?e=fe9d35277fc88c60545…> ACT > <http://www.republic.org.au/national_day_of_action_victoria?e=fe9d35277fc88c…> VIC > <http://www.republic.org.au/national_day_of_action_tasmania?e=fe9d35277fc88c…> TAS > <http://www.republic.org.au/national_day_of_action_south_australia?e=fe9d352…> SA > <http://www.republic.org.au/national_day_of_action_wa?e=fe9d35277fc88c60545c…> WA > > We hope you can make it! > > You can help regardless of where you are on the day, so if you're in the country or regional Australia we'll send out a volunteer kit with instructions. And if you're busy on the day we have more activities planned in the coming months. > > Best, > > > David McGregor > National Organiser > Australian Republic Movement > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://www.republic.org.au/?e=fe9d35277fc88c60545cc17c76199ef6&utm_source=a…> > > This email is sent by the Australian Republic Movement. > > Australian Republic Movement > PO Box 7188 > Watson, ACT 2602 > Australia > > ACN 094 419 619 > > http://www.republic.org.au/unsubscribe > > <http://www.republic.org.au/r/o?e=fe9d35277fc88c60545cc17c76199ef6&utm_sourc…> > ----- End forwarded message -----

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McAfee: Everyone's a faggot, and so can you
by Telepwn Jesus 02 May '17

02 May '17

>inb4 "muh anti-islamj00++merikkkans" LARPing John McAfee, with the help of MGT [0], is building a "truly private smartphone". Nigger added switches on the back to physically disconnect the battery, camera, and microphone, as well as the antennas for WiFi, Bluetooth, & geolocation. No speaker switch, tho. With articles titled 'John McAfee’s ‘hack-proof’ phone is doomed to fail' it seems this fucker is headed down the correct path. Some quotes from the lungenpresse: >> None of this sounds like it’ll make a meaningful difference for users."" >> Hardware isn’t the problem when it comes to mobile privacy."" >> Privacy-focused hardware just isn’t that good of a business."" >> The market is already saturated with privacy phone failures."" Lol, these pozzed faggots can into journalism. Hardware has everything to do with security, software has everything to do with insecurity.”" -John McAfee [0]: mgtci.com/datastreamx/mgt-signs-letter-of-intent-to-develop-privacy-mobile-… [1]: newsweek.com/john-mcafee-privacy-phone-smartphone-590373

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Re: who are the right people?
by Ryan Carboni 02 May '17

02 May '17

Maybe. Maybe not. But regardless of who is moonlighting for whom, even if it is entirely unpaid and inadvertent (which beggars some disbelief), this was a top picture shared on many social media outlets: https://i.redd.it/m2qtwn72m7ny.png Not shown by the mainstream media though. Who decides for you what to think? Whoever it is, doesn't seem very trustworthy right now. Here's a simple law that congress could add that would decuple security: "copyright is voided for software two years after the end of life, or if after one year a critical vulnerability is unpatched" Well, lawyers could go through it and convert it into legalcode for the judicial architecture to parse. Personally I am very much in favor of allowing free reverse engineering of DOS and early Windows products. Regardless, the most important use of non-government encryption is the protection of trade secrets (hence the design of portable offline cipher machines up to the late eighties). The rights of poor people never go into the calculus of the powerful or the free market. For some reason, this calculus currently seems to also exclude national advantage. Everyone is hacking each other, but no one seems to really... care? Conclusions are hard to come by in this world for some reason. What would it take to convince you that your world view was entirely wrong? What world view could possibly fit the current four-dimensional model of the world? How hard would it be to reorient the current network of nonprofits in favor of privacy to well... improve privacy? Design open source products that are as secure as an iPhone? How hard is it to see that there's something seriously wrong with the world?

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McAfee et al
by Telepwn Jesus 02 May '17

02 May '17

> Razer g2s at riseup.net > Mon May 1 08:14:33 PDT 2017 > > "Nigga". Leave it to the (((rayzer))) to culturally appropriate. > to the junkpile. Not a recycler, eh?

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Happy Labour day, May 1
by Georgi Guninski 01 May '17

01 May '17

Happy Labour day. Some people do the labour, some take the results. AFAICT this is "division of labour".

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Happy Loyalty Day, May 1
by Jim 01 May '17

01 May '17

> Georgi Guninski guninski at guninski.com > Mon May 1 04:25:01 PDT 2017 > > Happy Labour day. It's fucking Loyalty Day. Not Labour Day. Not May Day. Loyalty Day. wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyalty_Day President Dwight D. Eisenhower proclaimed May 1, 1955, the first observance of Loyalty Day."" Loyalty Day is defined as follows in 36 U.S.C. § 115: (a) Designation - May 1 is Loyalty Day. (b) Purpose - Loyalty Day is a special day for the reaffirmation of loyalty to the United States and for the recognition of the heritage of American freedom. (c) Proclamation - The President is requested to issue a proclamation: (1) calling on United States Government officials to display the flag of the United States on all Government buildings on Loyalty Day; and (2) inviting the people of the United States to observe Loyalty Day with appropriate ceremonies in schools and other suitable places. > Some people do the labour, some take the results. Some people are made to supplant service by the beasts, and some are (((chosen))).

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Qubes - more shit from the american pentagon nazis
by Jim 01 May '17

01 May '17

> juan juan.g71 at gmail.com > Sun Apr 30 00:42:36 PDT 2017 > > a woman from poland encyclopediadramatica.rs/Joanna_Rutkowska

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