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Bitcoin... Destroying the planet
by Michael Nelson 12 Dec '17

12 Dec '17

The mapping between Bitcoin and energy is missing the point, from the point of view of understanding the system. The correct mapping is between Bitcoin and the *price* of energy. If electricity were 10 times as expensive, Bitcoin mining use of electric power would drop by a factor of 10 (for a given BTC price). The point of spending money on mining is to be competitive. The absolute amount of power is irrelevant. This means that if governments raised the price of electricity, or resources used for generating it, then BTC would never be a problem. Not trivial to do, admittedly, but the point here is to understand the system. With things like automobiles and air-conditioners, raising electricity prices would improve the situation (regarding what economists call "externalities"), but degrade the user experience. Well, raising prices would improve the external impact of Bitcoin, but would have no effect on the correct functioning of the Bitcoin model. Whereas an automobile still uses the same amount of fuel to get you from A to B, when you raise the price of fuel, Bitcoin instantly drops the amount of fuel it uses, but continues to function just as well. Interestingly, environmentalists do not so much blame the automobile and the drivers as much as governments for allowing the tolerance of them, and rightly so. They say that we need fuel prices and taxes that reflect the impact on the environment, and we need support for alternative energy sources, etc. So why blame poor old Bitcoin? Mike

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Re: The Red Pill
by Cecilia Tanaka 12 Dec '17

12 Dec '17

Whoops, the link! Sorry! :P https://medium.com/@marlene.jaeckel/the-empress-has-no-clothes-the-dark-und… ---------- "Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your curiosity. It's your place in the world; it's your life. Go on and do all you can with it, and make it the life you want to live." - Mae Jemison On Dec 11, 2017 19:27, "Cecilia Tanaka" <cecilia.tanaka(a)gmail.com> wrote: Deeply sorry for top posting and not snipping the previous messages, but it will give a painful background about what is happening in different countries with some women. Sorry, I am not a victim. I am a proud woman and I do love it. Your gender doesn't define your character and ethics. You do it with your acts and words. Love and hope, Ceci ---------- "Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your curiosity. It's your place in the world; it's your life. Go on and do all you can with it, and make it the life you want to live." - Mae Jemison On Nov 27, 2017 14:58, "Cecilia Tanaka" <cecilia.tanaka(a)gmail.com> wrote: On Nov 27, 2017 14:10, "juan" <juan.g71(a)gmail.com> wrote: Interestingly enough I couldn't find a torrent but here's a copy with spanish subtitles. http://theredpillmovie.com/about/ https://archive.org/details/LaPildoraRojaDocumentalSubtitulado The film is so so and the men in it are retarded but what's great of course is that the author is intellectualy honest, realized what sort of garbage 'feminism' is, and had the courage to speak up. I would love to know why the US military has decided to ramp up their feminazi propaganda in the last two years or so. Have you guys ever heard about jacob appelbaum and the tor project? It's interesting how people in this list never mention what happened to appelbaum and how the feminists run the tor project? Cecilia? Got any info on the topic? ========== Please, Juan, let Jake in peace. He is studying, working, and still fighting against nightmares and unfair sexist allegations, some of them, no more than shameful lies. In this exact moment, my head is exploding with a hardcore migraine, so I will watch the movie and give my opinion later, sorry. What I can do to make clear my point of view about some subjects is to paste two of my private emails, both sent in the last week to a person that I deeply love and trust with my whole heart. I know I will be more hated than usual, but it doesn't care. I am being absolutely sincere. Ceci =========== On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi, my dearest <deleted the name of my friend, sorry>! Hope you are feeling better today, more hopeful and happy. It's a holiday in my city, is raining, and I love you! <3 Some weeks ago, I had a very hard conversation with some friends and I decided to avoid and/or boycott all the events with sexist or unfair codes of conduct. Good sense and conversation should be enough among rational people. We do not need hundreds of rules. It's ridiculous to prejudge someone because of their gender, race, sexual choice, whatever. Well, I became a kind of "case" for being the first girl of the Human Sciences Area to become a co-founder and a member of the PyLadies in my country. After a lot of discussions, I left my own group, considered actually the biggest Brazilian female coding group, because of the prejudice of some members (cis women) against men and trans women. They seem to hate any human being with a penis and some of them say that feel very "uncomfortable" with trans women "because they are not like us". I did sincerely reject it with all my heart. They are using their vaginas like weapons to justify making the same kind of discrimination and violent attacks that we used to suffer in the past. We have vaginas, but we are not victims and now it's time for talking about technology and stop with all the drama. Shit, I want more and more women talking about technology, not anymore about how hard is to be a woman talking about tech, how hard is being a woman, the eternal non-stop victimism. Yes, we still have victims, but we also need to show some work instead of only drama. God, it is not impossible or so hard! We just need a bit more of good-will and patience. I was and I am still the moderator of the PyLadies and Django Girls Brazilian lists, but we had a horrible discussion about the fact I always approve male confirmed collaborators, which I've known in person. They are helping the groups, so they deserve the chance of giving their opinions and feedbacks about important subjects, like our meetings. I don't know if Freud can explain it, but some of these women are mean, selfish, and just want fame, become known in the tech area, and seem to see men like stronger candidates for the same jobs and talks. Last week, some evil women very, very limited and stupid wanted to punish a girl who tweeted a post only because it was written by a man. Can you believe it? It was so ridiculous, so surreal, that I decided to become more present in the discussions and a little bit more "savage". My English stinks, but my Portuguese is precise and very good, so I can present several rational arguments and... well... you can imagine the drama, uff... I am very unhappy too, my dear. And I am a cute hetero cis woman, "a poor victim". :(( Little kisses, hot chocolate and cozy snugglehugs! <3 Ceci ========== On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka(a)gmail.com> wrote: I read an old joke and I should not laugh, but I did it. ;P "My friend said I make him feel uncomfortable because I violate his personal space. I was hurt. He completely ruined our bath." Oh, I forgot to say I don't tweet using the PyLadies account. Only three girls do it and I personally appreciate a lot two of them, more rational and mature than the others. The "fucking horrible tweet" was a post about Turing written by a man. The retard who made a scandal and sent us a message saying "we are sharing a post written by a man about another man" was particularly aggressive. God, I love Turing and my heart always breaks when I think about his sad history... And the PyLadies account should be used to share interesting news and posts about technology, not only Python news and just women's posts. It's sexism, feminazism, and I reject this. Fuck all the rules that they want to put in one more Conduct Code. I respect human beings because of their knowledge, their character, not because of their genitals. I love you, dear. Take care and be happy, please.

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[WAR] Who saved the Jews? Iran - and 3 times!
by Zenaan Harkness 12 Dec '17

12 Dec '17

This could be subtitled "biting the hand that feeds you", and the conclusion to this relatively short history recap (if you can call it such), is nothing short of "surprisingly astonishing" (to riff on Mercedes marketing clichés such as “surprisingly quick” [for a 2.5 tonne car, aka plant food- and soot- generating machine]. Iran - saviour of the Jews - three fricken' times! And what gratitude do the modern Persians get? Endless propaganda about how they "want" to totally destroy Israel. Bibi’s Bible stories: How Netanyahu invokes holy scripture to justify Israel's interests https://www.rt.com/news/412791-netanyahu-bible-israel-jerusalem/

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The Red Pill
by juan 11 Dec '17

11 Dec '17

Interestingly enough I couldn't find a torrent but here's a copy with spanish subtitles. http://theredpillmovie.com/about/ https://archive.org/details/LaPildoraRojaDocumentalSubtitulado The film is so so and the men in it are retarded but what's great of course is that the author is intellectualy honest, realized what sort of garbage 'feminism' is, and had the courage to speak up. I would love to know why the US military has decided to ramp up their feminazi propaganda in the last two years or so. Have you guys ever heard about jacob appelbaum and the tor project? It's interesting how people in this list never mention what happened to appelbaum and how the feminists run the tor project? Cecilia? Got any info on the topic?

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Legal Americans - the worst scum on the planet
by juan 11 Dec '17

11 Dec '17

look at the comments there - even the german nazis were more tolerant - now, the intercept is a 'progressive' propaganda outlet yet funnily enough 99% of the comments there come from members of the KKK or their moral equivalent. https://theintercept.com/2017/12/10/theyre-taking-everybody-videos-show-tex… ps : the motherfuckers who want to keep the 'illegals' out are pieces of european nazi shit who invaded america and stole all the land. Funny how land thieves are the supreme creators and keepers of justice.

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Do you want to know how to actually get rid of nuclear weapons?
by jim bell 11 Dec '17

11 Dec '17

>From the title of your organization, it appears that you want to abolish nuclear weapons. info(a)icanw.orgI have already figured out how to do so, as strange as that claim may appear. I would like to tell you how to do so, as a product of a series of emails. Please reply so that we can start the discussion. Ideally, please subscribe to the Cypherpunks mail list, and copy your responses there. Jim Bell P.S. this is the organization that received the Nobel Peace Prize a couple months ago. ICAN http://www.icanw.org

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Pirate Media: Amir Taaki - An interview of sorts
by grarpamp 10 Dec '17

10 Dec '17

Bit of a rambling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQgUeIPQBkQ

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Cryptocurrency: Fundamentals, Power vs The Tiny Dot, Establishment Going Apeshit
by grarpamp 10 Dec '17

10 Dec '17

Fake Power via the Tint Dot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdCfk7a2Va0 The most dangerous superstition https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVEzdh4PMDI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs Ignore the dot, be the solution, use cryptocurrency in p2p mode. Greenspan Disinterred to Talk Shit with his Banking Cartel Homies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kANR7NrPzSk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxlB3mAMyBk Nobel Peace Winner Joseph Stiglitz calls for State Violence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy16eIEux7U Turds being lost in preservation panic so fast their toilets are clogged https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE6ZoDXJBdQ Blockchain Dummy Kramer drops one too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yZGH_Zuqio Cryptocurrency Fundamentals https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LNfozb6dqk

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Fwd: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet
by Kurt Buff 09 Dec '17

09 Dec '17

On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:57 AM, g2s <g2s(a)riseup.net> wrote: > -------- Original message -------- > From: Kurt Buff <kurt.buff(a)gmail.com> > Date: 12/9/17 11:37 AM (GMT-08:00) > To: cypherpunks(a)lists.cpunks.org > Subject: Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet > > On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 7:24 AM, g2s <g2s(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Kurt Buff <kurt.buff(a)gmail.com> > > Date: 12/8/17 8:42 PM (GMT-08:00) > > To: cypherpunks(a)lists.cpunks.org > > Subject: Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet > > > > On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 7:31 PM, g2s <g2s(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > > From: Michael Nelson <nelson_mikel(a)yahoo.com> > > > Date: 12/8/17 6:22 PM (GMT-08:00) > > > To: cypherpunks(a)lists.cpunks.org > > > Subject: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet > > > > > >> The mapping between Bitcoin and energy is missing the point... > > > > > > Not if the point is a dead planet. > > > > > > That's ALL I care about. Cars, which you mention, are another much thornier > > > issue because they've been made a social necessity and that will take time > > > to undo. As with another not often acknowledged source of carbon based > > > pollution due to humans... The factories that make damn near everything > > > consumer industrial societies have. > > > > > > But unlike those things, bitcoin generates huge amounts of pollution due to > > > its electric demands, and, bluntly, it isn't necessary in any way shape or > > > form. > > > > > > Neither are coffee, tea, chocolate, sugar, sex and any number of other > > things that offend the sensibilities of the overly sensitive, and they > > aren't likely to disappear either... > > > > Kurt > > > > You denigrate your point by stating sex isn't necessary. Ropes whips and ioT glow in the dark vibrators aren't, but sex is as necessary to the survival of humans as sleep is. > > > > Rr > > > Artificial insemination > > sik fuk IVF, too. It's quite normal, so really, sex isn't "necessary". Sure is fun, though. > > And I find that most who decry the use of "unnecessary things' by > others > > You think I include myself out? Really? > > Hahahaha! No, I think you belong squarely in the category of moral pecksniffs who would deny "unnecessary things" to others to "save the planet". > Tell you what. Save evolution the work. Extinct yourself now... > > Rr Too late - I already have two children. I just wish I had more. Also, I burn wood in my fireplace, and have both a car and a big ol' pickup truck, and I commute with the latter to work, getting roughly 9-10 mpg. Kurt

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Bitcoin... Destroying the planet
by Green Peas 09 Dec '17

09 Dec '17

> g2s g2s at riseup.net > Fri Dec 8 19:31:27 PST 2017 > > dead planet > "muh global warming" > You can't kill the planet. The planet kills us. > carbon based pollution > You stupid motherfucker. Trees breath carbon dioxide and filter out the carbon. Increases in carbon gas emission increase the health and number of plant life on the "planet". > due to humans > The greatest "greenhouse gas" is water vapor. Did you know ~60% of the Antarctic melts and re freezes every year? Ever heard of the Younger Dryas? Or ice/ocean/soil core samples? All this disproves your shekel grabbing scheme's premise that humans, and their pesky cars, are "killing the planet" with CO2 (“muh breath”). In Rayzer's future, if you want exercise more and live a more healthful life, "that'll be more cryptoshekels, sir". > bitcoin generates huge amounts of pollution > due to its electric demands > Show how or GTFO.

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