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Re: Forced Decrypt: US Judge Jails Defendant Six Months for Contempt re Phone Unlock
by juan 19 Jul '18

19 Jul '18

On Wed, 18 Jul 2018 15:09:11 -0500 "\\0xDynamite" <dreamingforward(a)gmail.com> wrote: > BTW, you can ask for a cops ID too, if they want yours. It's called > "mutual reciprocity". Otherwise, challenge them to "just write the > ticket" and walk away. If you walk away, you aren't "fleeing" a > scene. If they tackle you to the ground or tazer you when you aren't > fleeing (and no one else is being endangered), it's assault. so your government job is to lie to people and get them killed by the cops. Tell people what they need to do in order to get imprisioned or murdered by your government. I wouldn't expect less from an American Christian like you. > > sounds as if you are confused about the nature of the mafia that owns and > > rules you. > > Conspiracy theory: who? the Jewish mafia, the italian mafia, the > Irish mafia? Who? You think they get along enough to coordinate all > of their plots? The mafia I was referring to in my previous message is the criminal organization you call "USA government" - your employers. Are you so fuckingly retarded that you didn't understand that? No, nobody can't be so fuckinly retarded. So, please, spare me the "playing dumb" act. Now you can go back to sucking the cock of judge smith while judge jakobo goldberg rapes you in the ass. Have fun 'charging' them. J,

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We must preserve the Cypherpunks Mailing List archives! IMPORTANT!
by Tom Busby 19 Jul '18

19 Jul '18

I've written a blog post about this with further details if anyone is interested: https://cryptoanarchy.wiki/blog/2018/07/05/the-cypherpunks-mailing-list-arc… The primary reason I'm sending this email is to appeal to those of you who have been active on the list since before July 2013 (when the switch to GNU Mailman occurred) and to those of you who know now-inactive subscribers who may also have this information. There is a total black hole in terms of available archived threads from early 1999 to mid 2013. I've contacted the guy who ran the al-qaeda.net node and dug around in the way back machine trying to locate these archives. No luck so far. I'm worried this information will be lost permanently if a concerted effort isn't made to preserve it now, while *some* of it is perhaps still preserved on people's hard drives. I have no doubt that some (maybe most) of the threads from the early 2000s may already be lost permanently. Please get in touch if you think you can help out at all. Tom Busby

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Forced Decrypt: US Judge Jails Defendant Six Months for Contempt re Phone Unlock
by grarpamp 19 Jul '18

19 Jul '18

https://gizmodo.com/florida-man-jailed-for-failing-to-unlock-his-phone-1827… http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/judge-jails-man-for-failing-to-unl… https://old.reddit.com/r/PoliticalDiscussion/comments/8yz2za/a_man_got_6mon… https://old.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/8y8yd1/man_faces_6_months_in_flor… https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/8yx73q/judge_jails_defendant_for_fai… https://old.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/8ypu6s/guy_gets_tossed_in_jail… https://old.reddit.com/r/law/comments/8z9zjr/judge_jails_man_for_180_days_f… https://yro.slashdot.org/story/18/07/15/2012230/judge-jails-defendent-for-f… https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17547562 https://old.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/8z63lz/us_courts_can_force_you_to… http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/rodriguez-v-united-states/ https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4597748/Emergency-Writ.pdf https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4597747/Search-Warrant-and-Affid… In a Tampa courtroom, Judge Gregory Holder held William Montanez in contempt of court for failure to unlock a mobile device. What led to this was a frightening slippery slope that threatens our Fourth Amendment rights to the core. Montanez was stopped for failing to yield properly. After being pulled over, the officer asked to search his car; Montanez refused, so the officer held him until a drug dog was brought in to give the officer enough probable cause to search the vehicle. They found a misdemeanor amount of marijuana, which they used to arrest Montenez, but they asked to search his two cellphones, which he also refused. They were able to secure a warrant for those as well, but Montenez claimed he had forgotten his password. The result: Montanez is being held in contempt of court and is serving a six-month jail sentence. "I don't know the code, sir," he stated. So the judge found him in civil contempt and threw him in jail. http://www.decidethefuture.org/

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Re: Forced Decrypt: US Judge Jails Defendant Six Months for Contempt re Phone Unlock
by jim bell 18 Jul '18

18 Jul '18

Well, I agree that this kind of case ought to be pre-empted by the Fifth Amendment. And I say that as a person who has spent many thousands of hours in a (prison) law library. However, law sometimes takes a long time to come to that correct conclusion. There was a SC case in 2000, called Kyllo, which prohibited the use of thermal IR viewing to develop probable cause, for example in marijuana grow cases. Kyllo v. United States The SC came to the correct conclusion, though I disagreed with the reasoning they used. (it depended on their NON-understanding of the science and technology of thermal-IR viewing.) Similarly, in 2012, the SC decided that it was necessary to get a warrant for placing a GPS device on a car, to "following it around". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Jones That, despite the argument that the information collected could, in theory, have been collected merely by placing a cop on every streetcorner, and then taking records. The contrary argument prevailed. I agreed with the contrary argument: In principle, I think that as a society, we don't want to operate on a principle that every new technology should automatically be useable against people. One can imagine a technology someday usable, which takes a continuous movie from, say, a vantage a few hundred miles up (using multiple passing satellites) of any given city. Would police be right if they consulted such a movie for evidence of a moving vehicle? Even more recently, just a month ago, the SC decided a case involving cell-phone metadata, and tracking people by their cell phones. They decided that such were "searches" and thus a warrant was required. https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/22/politics/supreme-court-ruling-cell-phone/ind… I also agreed with this decision. Jim Bell × On Wednesday, July 18, 2018, 12:02:31 PM PDT, \0xDynamite <dreamingforward(a)gmail.com> wrote: This is ridiculous. There is ZERO obligation for anyone to unlock their phone anymore than unlocking your house. If any "law enforcement" officer wants to insist on such, THEY BETTER HAVE AN EXECUTIVE ORDER. On 7/18/18, John Newman <jnn(a)synfin.org> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 06:37:19PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: >> https://gizmodo.com/florida-man-jailed-for-failing-to-unlock-his-phone-1827… >> http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/judge-jails-man-for-failing-to-unl… >> https://old.reddit.com/r/PoliticalDiscussion/comments/8yz2za/a_man_got_6mon… >> https://old.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/8y8yd1/man_faces_6_months_in_flor… >> https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/8yx73q/judge_jails_defendant_for_fai… >> https://old.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/8ypu6s/guy_gets_tossed_in_jail… >> https://old.reddit.com/r/law/comments/8z9zjr/judge_jails_man_for_180_days_f… >> https://yro.slashdot.org/story/18/07/15/2012230/judge-jails-defendent-for-f… >> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17547562 >> https://old.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/8z63lz/us_courts_can_force_you_to… >> http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/rodriguez-v-united-states/ >> >> https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4597748/Emergency-Writ.pdf >> https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4597747/Search-Warrant-and-Affid… >> >> In a Tampa courtroom, Judge Gregory Holder held William Montanez >> in contempt of court for failure to unlock a mobile device. What >> led to this was a frightening slippery slope that threatens our >> Fourth Amendment rights to the core. Montanez was stopped for failing >> to yield properly. After being pulled over, the officer asked to >> search his car; Montanez refused, so the officer held him until a >> drug dog was brought in to give the officer enough probable cause >> to search the vehicle. They found a misdemeanor amount of marijuana, >> which they used to arrest Montenez, but they asked to search his >> two cellphones, which he also refused. They were able to secure a >> warrant for those as well, but Montenez claimed he had forgotten >> his password. The result: Montanez is being held in contempt of >> court and is serving a six-month jail sentence. >> >> "I don't know the code, sir," he stated. >> So the judge found him in civil contempt and threw him in jail. > > ARG! Fucking disgusting. At least he didn't have a fingerprint or > "FaceID" unlock setup, or they could've manhandled him into unlocking it > biometrically. So, basically: keep using a PIN code (which can still be > broken, but is rather a PITA for the pigs). > > John > >> >> >> http://www.decidethefuture.org/ > > -- > GPG fingerprint: 17FD 615A D20D AFE8 B3E4 C9D2 E324 20BE D47A 78C7 >

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I feel very sad :(
by Mirimir 18 Jul '18

18 Jul '18

So I just came across https://www.ssh.com/ssh/port on HN. And read: | On July 12, 1995, at 2:32am, I announced a final beta version to | my beta testers at Helsinki University of Technology. At 5:23pm I | announced ssh-1.0.0 packages to my beta testers. At 5:51pm on | July 12, 1995, I sent an announcement about SSH (Secure Shell) to | the cypherpunks(a)toad.com mailing list. I also posted it to a few | newsgroups, mailing lists, and directly to selected people who | had discussed related topics on the Internet. The only list he mentions by name is this one! That's just fucking sad.

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A Feral Man's Rhesus Fit Rant: How to Become "Her"
by Pique Nique 17 Jul '18

17 Jul '18

>juan juan.g71 at spookmail.com >Sat Jul 14 14:15:01 PDT 2018 > >can't get any dumber Yes we can. [Pic related]

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Phoney "Penis" Strikes Again
by Pique Nique 17 Jul '18

17 Jul '18

>Steven Schear schear.steve at spookmail.com >Sun Jul 15 16:48:18 PDT 2018 > >This was not a "real" win, Yes, and we don't live in the "real" world. The ruling upheld existing freedoms for private citizens to design and manufacture their own firearms.

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Phoney "Penis" Strikes Again
by Pique Nique 17 Jul '18

17 Jul '18

>Steven Schear schear.steve at spookmail.com >Sun Jul 15 16:48:18 PDT 2018 > >This was not a "real" win, Yes, and we don't live in the "real" world. The ruling upheld existing freedoms for private citizens to design and manufacture their own firearms.

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Jews: Oath Suspending, Always Expelled, Haha
by Pique Nique 17 Jul '18

17 Jul '18

>grarpamp grarpamp at gmail.com >Fri Jul 13 11:33:30 PDT 2018 > >not breaking links >sharing sites that require js to load >implying we are africa, asia, or india Get fucked boomer. >Earth Overshoot Day marks the date when we (all of humanity) >have used more from nature than our planet can renew in the >entire year >all of humanity >all Blaming others for your misuse of earthly resources yet again. >overfishing UK jews. >overharvesting forests SA jews. >emitting more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere >than ecosystems can absorb Water vapor is the largest greenhouse gas. Plant more trees. All jews hate trees.

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Geek captcha
by Steven Schear 17 Jul '18

17 Jul '18

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