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What is consensus?
by Edward Low 08 Dec '17

08 Dec '17

There is a question I would like to send to the list and get some feedback. As far as I was told, consensus is a way to reach a decision without the need of voting, so there is no majority nor minority, no one can impose their ways even if they are majority so no lobby and no forcing. Clearly, education is needed for that, so everyone understands the need of giving up a little bit in order to make it work for the common project. Lately I've been seeing consensus described as voting system, with majorities and minorities. My english is short, so maybe there is a word to describe consensus as a no-voting system to reach a common solution? Thanks E. Low -- Edward Low edwardlow(a)riseup.net Libertalia (Madagascar)

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Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet
by g2s 08 Dec '17

08 Dec '17

From offlist. I REALLY WISH the server admin would mask source addresses of posters. -------- Original message --------From: juan <juan.g71(a)gmail.com> Date: 12/7/17 5:08 PM (GMT-08:00) To: g2s <g2s(a)riseup.net> Subject: Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet On Thu, 07 Dec 2017 16:58:22 -0800 g2s <g2s(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > The scumbag said we are still waiting for you to show that you able to calculate how much energy is used instead of posting click bait garbage what's the problem? You don't know basic arithmetic? https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/12/bitcoins-insane-energy-consumpt… Rr

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Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet
by Edward Low 08 Dec '17

08 Dec '17

True, not really rumour but supposition "Bitcoin COULD consume [...]" El 08/12/17 a las 01:19, g2s escribió: > I dont see where this is a rumor. > > Rr > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Edward Low <edwardlow(a)riseup.net> > Date: 12/7/17 4:16 PM (GMT-08:00) > To: cypherpunks(a)lists.cpunks.org > Subject: Re: Bitcoin... Destroying the planet > > This Denmark-energy rumour comes from this article, if i'm not wrong: > > https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/aek3za/bitcoin-could-consume-as-… > > P.D: Leave out > fights-promotion-BTC-core-segwit-cash-gold-unlimited-bla-bla-bla from > the list please... > > > El 08/12/17 a las 01:12, Steven Schear escribió: >> The Bitcoin Core mining can remain profitable using up to at least 24 >> TWh annually. That said, as the periodic halvings reduce awards the >> fees, which are already to high to make it useful for commerce, may >> soon make it problematic for investment. >> >> Bitcoin Cash is up to 8 times more energy efficient and Bitcoin >> Unlimited blockchains could be >> efficient yet. >> >> On Dec 7, 2017 12:05 PM, "g2s" <g2s(a)riseup.net >> <mailto:g2s@riseup.net>> wrote: >> >> Bitcoin. A gambling game only a capitalist scumbag would play. >> Tim May was wrong. Btc IS NOT the future. It's a dead end leading >> to a dead planet. >> >> The bitcoin computer network currently uses as much electricity >> as Denmark. In 18 months, it will use as much as the entire >> United States. >> >> https://grist.org/article/bitcoin-could-cost-us-our-clean-energy-future/amp/ >> <https://grist.org/article/bitcoin-could-cost-us-our-clean-energy-future/amp/> >> >> Rr >> >> >

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Bitcoin... Destroying the planet
by g2s 08 Dec '17

08 Dec '17

Bitcoin. A gambling game only a capitalist scumbag would play. Tim May was wrong. Btc IS NOT the future. It's a dead end leading to a dead planet. The bitcoin computer network currently uses as much electricity as Denmark. In 18 months, it will use as much as the entire United States. https://grist.org/article/bitcoin-could-cost-us-our-clean-energy-future/amp/ Rr

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Germany Preparing Law for Backdoors in Any Type of Modern Device
by Cecilia Tanaka 06 Dec '17

06 Dec '17

Germany Preparing Law for Backdoors in Any Type of Modern Device # https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/government/germany-preparing-law-for-… "Hack Back" is becoming so fashion... :P # https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/10/16632724/scam-chatbot-ai-email-rescam-n… # https://www.rescam.org/ Take care, dear all! Kisses and hugs! <3 Ceci ------- "Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your curiosity. It's your place in the world; it's your life. Go on and do all you can with it, and make it the life you want to live." - Mae Jemison

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[OT] “Happiness” + Bonus 1 & 2
by Cecilia Tanaka 05 Dec '17

05 Dec '17

# “Happiness” - Brutal, heart-breaking, but deeply sincere and beautiful critics of our society. It takes only a few minutes and is more disturbing than we would like. https://vimeo.com/244405542 # Bonus 1: "Batman Ninja" Trailer (Japanese, with English subtitles). I am very curious, I confess! :D https://youtu.be/nXsWXgOJ0Q8 #Bonus 2: God, there is a "Flat Earth Society"!!! I am shocked, eeck!!! :-o https://www.boredpanda.com/flat-earth-society-mars-answer-elon-musk and https://9gag.com/gag/abzwNe9 (lovely post! <3) Wish you all a lovely weekend, full of warm hopes, peace, and happiness! <3 Ceci ---------- "Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your curiosity. It's your place in the world; it's your life. Go on and do all you can with it, and make it the life you want to live." - Mae Jemison

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10 awkward cryptocurrencies
by Cecilia Tanaka 05 Dec '17

05 Dec '17

10 awkward cryptocurrencies https://www.cryptomartez.com/2017/12/10-awkward-cryptocurrencies.html <https://www.cryptomartez.com/2017/12/10-awkward-cryptocurrencies.html> Wish you all a fun day! <3 c. ---------- "Don't let anyone rob you of your imagination, your creativity, or your curiosity. It's your place in the world; it's your life. Go on and do all you can with it, and make it the life you want to live." - Mae Jemison

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[MONEY] Tick tock - LBMA and COMEX “physical” gold pricing farce soon to be replaced
by Zenaan Harkness 05 Dec '17

05 Dec '17

Times are changin… ** Russia, China, India Unveil New Gold Trading Network https://russia-insider.us9.list-manage.com/track/click?u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413… ------------------------------------------------------------ by Ronan Manly on Mon, Dec 4, 2017 One of the most notable events in Russia’s precious metals market calendar is the annual “Russian Bullion Market” conference. Formerly known as the Russian Bullion Awards, this conference, now in its 10th year, took place this year on Friday 24 November in Moscow. Among the speakers lined up, the most notable inclusion was probably Sergey Shvetsov, First Deputy Chairman of Russia’s central bank, the Bank of Russia.

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Re: Enron-type coverups do not typically exist
by Ryan Carboni 05 Dec '17

05 Dec '17

The ACLU is headquartered in New York. Given what the NYPD is famous for, they seem to be complete failures at upholding civil liberty. Every so often, you hear about one of their officers exhibiting some sort of severe mental defect. The world does not remotely seem possible.

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“open our eyes, ears, and hearts and realize we’re all human”
by Zenaan Harkness 04 Dec '17

04 Dec '17

>From following a quote on lwn.net, this very well written piece may be useful for some <ahem>. There's always 2 sides - just that some sides are bigger, better, badder and more delicious than the other side :) Peace yo! https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=5046 A Clash of Cultures There’s an Internet controversy going on between Dale Dougherty, the CEO of Maker Media and Naomi Wu (@realsexycyborg), a Chinese Maker and Internet personality. Briefly, Dale Doughtery tweeted a single line questioning Naomi Wu’s authenticity, which is destroying Naomi’s reputation and livelihood in China.

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