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Re: Richard Stallman Gets SJW'd
by Zenaan Harkness 18 Oct '19

18 Oct '19

On Thu, Oct 10, 2019 at 10:49:48PM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > I appreciate your wish to support me, but the way you are doing it > will lead people to think that I have said something racist and/or > sexist. That is not true. > > I would not say such things, since they go counter to my views. > I oppose bigotry. > > If people accuse me of "sexism" or "racism", those are false > accusations, based on distortions. Please do not validate > the false accusations against me. > > Would you please attach a note that I say I did not say anything > sexist, and people can see from stallman.org that I disapprove > of gender bias. > > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) The above has been posted to the lwn.net discussion at issue. Further: Richard Stallman and the GNU project Posted Oct 11, 2019 5:52 UTC (Fri) by zenaan (subscriber, #3778) > How can their words cause any harm to [RMS]? Is this a serious question? Posted Oct 11, 2019 6:17 UTC (Fri) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239) Yes. You draw a distinction between words and "sticks and stones", presumably because there's a meaningful difference between them. If both can cause harm, what's the difference you're highlighting? Posted Oct 11, 2019 10:25 UTC (Fri) by zenaan (subscriber, #3778) > You draw a distinction between words and "sticks and stones", > presumably because there's a meaningful difference between them. If > both can cause harm, what's the difference you're highlighting? To be ethical in the process of airing an accusation, any accusation, the accusation must provide an actual fact, and a clearly stated position in relation to that fact. This foundation provides an opportunity to the accused to respond (in whatever forum the accuser chose). Without both the fact in issue, and the position held by the accuser in relation to that fact, the accused is provided no opportunity to properly respond, possibly no opportunity to meaningfully respond at all. I have not yet seen any fact by anyone posting here at lwn.net or elsewhere (yourself included), which substantiates the "hollering" and "justification opinions" for RMS to resign (to have already resigned) from the FSF. All I have seen are opinions, innuendo, and hearsay. The claim that opinions, innuendo and/or hearsay are sufficient "evidence" or "cause" to "metaphorically crucify" an individual in the public (or any other) sphere of human interaction, is a call not founded in ethics but instead is founded in evil - is opposed to our lives. Such a call is a call for mob rule, a "witch hunt" abdicating due process and abdicating our responsibility to one another as human beings. Those who understand (let alone value) justice and righteousness, understand these very basic principles. Taking justice a step further, an accuser, per Matthew 18, is advised to go speak with the accused ("your brother") in the first instance, that he might hear you, and if he does not hear you, go with some number of witnesses, that the accused's response may be witnessed by a number of others. Such processes as are (very) summarised above under the banner "due process", provide for the opportunity (still yet no certainty) for the accused and the accuser to come to an understanding and possible resolution. The mob witch hunt provides almost no such opportunity, just a forum for heedens heeding the rumours of those who rumour mongor without facts, to join in their force of numbers and crucify a probably good man in the name of any flippant emotional weakness in some rando snowflake accuser. Posted Oct 13, 2019 18:23 UTC (Sun) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] > All I have seen are opinions, innuendo, and hearsay. I've seen people saying 'it happened to me'. The word for that is neither 'hearsay' nor 'innuendo': it's 'eyewitness evidence'. Posted Oct 14, 2019 3:05 UTC (Mon) by zenaan (subscriber, #3778) > "it" happened to me What I have heard by reading a first hand account: Apparently RMS asked an 18 year old woman on a date. Apparently she was uncomfortable about that. This took all of 10 or 15 seconds, and RMS never went near that topic with her again after that. And now RMS has been lynched from MIT and the FSF which he founded. When I used the phrase "All I have seen are opinions, innuendo, and hearsay", we need to add the words "and no facts which in my eyes justify the public lynching to have RMS removed from his positions at MIT and the FSF which he founded." I thought that was obvious at the time I wrote the words, but in hindsight I can see how the point needs to be clarified. Hopefully this is sufficient clarification. Posted Oct 14, 2019 3:08 UTC (Mon) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) > Apparently RMS asked an 18 year old woman on a date. Apparently he has a history of this happening consistently. It was not a one-time thing. Posted Oct 14, 2019 23:53 UTC (Mon) by zenaan (subscriber, #3778) I wrote: > > Apparently RMS asked an 18 year old woman on a date. [And this took all of 15 or so seconds and the topic was never raised again.] Cyberax wrote: > Apparently he has a history of this happening consistently. It was > not a one-time thing. So name the damn rule that RMS is not allowed to break! And be VERY PRECISE and CLEAR in your terminology, so that these older "bastards of the community" don't fall foul of the mob when they ask a woman younger than they are, on a date! Also, be damn clear about whether it is only RMS who is not allowed to ask women younger than "say, 30 years old" on a date, or whether it is "all men over the age of, say 40 years old" - or whatever the hell you rule is that JUSTIFIES THIS PUBLIC LYNCHING OF Richard Stallman, founder of the FSF and GNU! FFS folks appear so intellectually fraudulent and disingenuous at the moment. BY ALL MEANS tear one or another pathetic minor detail (in what I've written) to shreds, BUT AT LEAST HAVE THE DECENCY to address the core issue, and do so in a way which RMS, myself, and all other white men in this world can grasp YOUR POSITION so that YOUR RULES are not broken and so that YOU HEREAFTER REFRAIN from justifying these public lynchings. I expect more from you "Cyberax"! Is this the effing world YOU want to live in?!!

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National Conservation Commission: USA's oil supply "will be entirely used within 25 or 30 years" at present rates
by Zenaan Harkness 17 Oct '19

17 Oct '19

"an alarming report that the national supply of oil will be entirely used by within just 25 or 30 years more at the rate that the country is currently burning through the precious and decidedly finite fuel source" The Cheapest Oil Ever Sold https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/cheapest-oil-ever-sold https://oilprice.com/Energy/Oil-Prices/The-Cheapest-Oil-Ever-Sold.html An elite government-appointed group called the National Conservation Commission is charged with taking a comprehensive inventory of natural resources in the United States and discover where resources are being inefficiently handled and even squandered. They come back to the United States Congress with an alarming report that the national supply of oil will be entirely used by within just 25 or 30 years more at the rate that the country is currently burning through the precious and decidedly finite fuel source. The year is 1909. [That said, oil alarmists are still going strong today. ... lots of interesting history tidbits in article.]

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Phys.Org: Cryptography without using secret keys
by jim bell 17 Oct '19

17 Oct '19

Phys.Org: Cryptography without using secret keys. https://phys.org/news/2019-10-cryptography-secret-keys.html

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Neowin: New OnionShare 2.2 update makes it easy to share files and host sites on the Tor network
by jim bell 17 Oct '19

17 Oct '19

Neowin: New OnionShare 2.2 update makes it easy to share files and host sites on the Tor network. https://www.neowin.net/news/new-onionshare-22-update-makes-it-easy-to-share…

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ZDNet: Tor Snowflake turns your browser into a proxy for users in censored countries
by jim bell 17 Oct '19

17 Oct '19

ZDNet: Tor Snowflake turns your browser into a proxy for users in censored countries. https://www.zdnet.com/article/tor-snowflake-turns-your-browser-into-a-proxy…

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Cryptocurrency: As Ultimate Collateral w Mayer on Livera
by grarpamp 17 Oct '19

17 Oct '19

https://twitter.com/american_hodl https://twitter.com/macromorning https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/qe4-officially-begins-feds-first-t-bill-p… https://twitter.com/caitlinlong_ https://twitter.com/cryptolawrev https://twitter.com/100trillionusd https://twitter.com/jespow https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/obscene-move-oil-tanker-rates-explode-reco… https://twitter.com/bitcoin SLP115 Trace Mayer - Bitcoin as Ultimate Collateral https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrzgMJZvA1U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_P-1WHlHGQ

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Cryptocurrency: Bitcoin Energy Consumption Index - Digiconomist Fails
by grarpamp 17 Oct '19

17 Oct '19

https://digiconomist.net/bitcoin-energy-consumption https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21276544 $3,656,073,069 per year Far lower and more efficient than the entirety of everything involved in Government and Banking Fiat Systems worldwide. Ignore the FUD, spread some cryptocurrency love and wallets with randoms this weekend.

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Major Darknet Bust - Crypto Adversary Legal Research Oppurtunity
by grarpamp 16 Oct '19

16 Oct '19

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/south-korean-national-and-hundreds-others-ch… https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6470077-Redacted-JONG-WOO-SON.html https://gizmodo.com/huge-child-porn-ring-busted-as-authorities-cite-ability… https://www.coindesk.com/us-law-enforcement-traces-bitcoin-transactions-to-… https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21273277 https://yro.slashdot.org/story/19/10/16/2011240/huge-child-porn-ring-busted… https://old.reddit.com/r/darknet/comments/dit5bj/irs_followed_bitcoin_trans… https://old.reddit.com/r/deepweb/comments/dit1jc/south_korean_national_and_… All the darknet busts yield years and hundreds of court cases which can be analyzed for technical capabilities, parallel construction, dropped cases from state secrets, dumped into datamines for search analytics, etc. And lots of people who could be queried for ops analysis, further insight, etc. "The agencies have shared data from the seized server with law enforcement around the world to assist in identifying and prosecuting customers of the site. This has resulted in leads sent to 38 countries and yielded arrests of 337 subjects around the world. The operation has resulted in searches of residences and businesses of approximately 92 individuals in the United States. Notably, the operation is responsible for the rescue of at least 23 minor victims residing in the United States, Spain and the United Kingdom, who were being actively abused by the users of the site."

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Cypherpunks, Crypto, Etc Lists - Yahoo Groups Shutting Down, Archive Now
by grarpamp 16 Oct '19

16 Oct '19

https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/dipcj6/all_of_yahoo_groups_is… https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/search?query=cypherpunks https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/search?query=cryptography https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/search?query=cyberpunks https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/search?query=cyberpunk https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/search?query=cryptocurrencies https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/search?query=cryptocurrency A project for those who can scrape and post some archives of interest somewhere... https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/dir https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/dir/1600060086 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/search?query=<search_term> JSON dump, Cypherpunks: 1 - 1990 msgs https://groups.yahoo.com/api/v1/groups/cypherpunks/messages/<msg_num>/raw To get unmangled headers including addresses, a Yahoo account may be necessary. "Attention: Starting December 14, 2019 Yahoo Groups will no longer host user created content on its sites." https://help.yahoo.com/kb/groups/SLN31010.html ArchiveTeam: #yahoosucks on efnet! https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Yahoo!_Groups Got resources to spare? Run a warrior! https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=ArchiveTeam_Warrior https://github.com/csaftoiu/yahoo-groups-backup http://www.personalgroupware.com/downloads.htm Cypherpunks info... " About cypherpunks mailing lists ------------------------------- I. Administrivia (please read, boring though it may be) The cypherpunks list is one of three lists discussing cryptography, privacy, and social issues relating to them. The three lists are: cypherpunks moderated to suppress spam and flames cypherpunks-unedited all submissions, just as they arrived cypherpunks-flames the submissions that didn't pass moderation All of these lists are high-volume mailing lists. Most people will not want to subscribe to more than one of these lists. (If you aren't sure, you can find out which list(s) you are on by sending a message containing just the word which to majordomo(a)toad.com.) The cypherpunks-unedited list has the highest volume and is also the quickest to spread news. The cypherpunks list incurs a moderation delay, but its signal-to-noise should be quite a bit higher. The cypherpunks- flames list is only for masochists. If you don't know how to do something, like unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo(a)toad.com and the software robot which answers that address will send you back instructions on how to do what you want. If you don't know the majordomo syntax, an empty message to this address will get you a help file, as will a command 'help' in the body. Even with all this automated help, you may still encounter problems. If you get really stuck, please feel free to contact me directly at the address I use for mailing list management: cypherpunks-owner(a)toad.com Please use this address for all mailing list management issues. Hint: if you try to unsubscribe yourself from a different account than you signed up for, it likely won't work. Log back into your old account and try again. If you no longer have access to that account, mail me at the list management address above. Also, please realize that there will be some cypherpunks messages "in transit" to you at the time you unsubscribe. If you get a response that says you are unsubscrib Group Information Members :69 Category :Cryptography Founded :Aug 6, 1998 Language :English Group Settings This is a public group. Attachments are permitted. Members cannot hide email address. Listed in Yahoo Groups directory. Membership does not require approval. Messages are not moderated. All members can post messages. Group Email Addresses Post Message :cypherpunks@yahoogroups.com Subscribe :cypherpunks-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe :cypherpunks-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List Owner :cypherpunks-owner@yahoogroups.com "

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Smygo List - Yahoo Groups Shutting Down, Archive Now
by grarpamp 16 Oct '19

16 Oct '19

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/smygo/info A project for those who can scrape and post the Smygo archives somewhere, as well as any other lists of interest... https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/dir https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/dir/1600060086 https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/search?query=<search_term> JSON dump, Smygo: 1 - 15858 msgs https://groups.yahoo.com/api/v1/groups/smygo/messages/<msg_num>/raw To get unmangled headers including addresses, Yahoo account may be necessary. "Attention: Starting December 14, 2019 Yahoo Groups will no longer host user created content on its sites." Smygo info... " https://www.facebook.com/groups/617024874990524/ Said Smygo, the iconoclast of Zothique: "Bear a hammer with thee always, and break down any terminus on which is written: 'So far shalt thou pass but no farther go.'" --Clark Ashton Smith The list's primary focus is anarchism & libertarianism. It carries announcements & communiques from anarchists & related groups & individuals, essays & articles of interest to anarchists, & stories from mainstream news media that mention anarchists or other topics of interest. As anarchism opposes hierarchy and all forms of illegitimate authority, the list may also include items on a wide variety of related subjects. These may include corporations, globalization, human rights, environment, marginals milieu, fair trade movement, & all kinds of progressive activism. This is an announcement group, not discussion group. But anyone may post appropriate articles, responses that add significant facts, make challenges to the accuracy of posted articles, etc. Another group, Hale_Bobb, welcomes discussions of Smygo posts. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Hale_Bobb/info This Yahoo group does not exist. You can find groups to join or create a new group Relaying an article does not imply endorsement. Attachments are not allowed: articles should be in the main body of the message. Only members may post on Smygo. If you appreciate Smygo, you might consider giving material support by making a donation to clore(a)columbia-center.org through PayPal. (Or, contact me for a snail-mail address. Gifts of books, magazines, CDs, DVDs, etc., would be appreciated.) If you shop at Amazon, you can give me a small cut from your purchase (at no cost to you) through their partnership programs, by clicking through Amazon. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home/thedanclorenecro Lord We�rdgliffe & Necronomicon Page: http://www.geocities.com/clorebeast/ Members :1027 Category :Anarchist Founded :May 24, 2000 Language :English Post Message :smygo@yahoogroups.com Subscribe :smygo-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe :smygo-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List Owner :smygo-owner@yahoogroups.com "

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