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[POLITICS] [AND] [PEACE] - pre-election SCOTUS appoint
by Zenaan Harkness 20 Sep '20

20 Sep '20

Appointing a SCOTUS RBG (Ginsburg) replacement prior to the November USA elections, will put a useful damper on Democrat party voter's' enthusiasm for bothering to vote at all. At least, if loony "liberal" lefty reactions are anything to go by: Idk where this came from, but Jesus Christ this lady is unhinged. Why is it that every time something upsets leftists, they act crazier than my psych patients? #RBG #RBGFreakout #freakout #rage #RuthBaderGinsburg #RBGRIP #Election2020 #publicfreakout #WORLDSTAR pic.twitter.com/O54rANoyHc — NCK Liberty (@NCKLiberty) September 19, 2020 https://t.co/O54rANoyHc (Found here: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/actblue-raises-record-45-million-12-hou… ) Hop to ole chaps...

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Assange was offered presidential pardon to help 'resolve' Russia role in DNC hack, court told
by jim bell 20 Sep '20

20 Sep '20

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/assange-offered-pardon-if-he-helped-reso… Sept. 18, 2020, 8:09 AM PDT / Updated Sept. 18, 2020, 11:00 AM PDTBy Alexander Smith and Michele Neubert LONDON — WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange was offered a presidential pardon if he helped to resolve the "ongoing speculation about Russian involvement" in the hacking of Democratic National Committee emails leaked during the 2016 U.S. election campaign, a London court heard Friday. Assange's lawyer, Jennifer Robinson, said she saw then-Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., and Trump associate Charles Johnson make the offer during an August 2017 meeting at London's Ecuadorian Embassy, where Assange was evading arrest at the time. His seven-year stay there came to an end in April 2019 when Ecuador revoked his political asylum and invited police officers inside to arrest him. Rohrabacher and Johnson said Trump knew about the meeting and approved offering Assange what they described as a "win-win" proposal, according to Robinson's statement provided to Assange's hearing in Old Bailey court. Assange, 49, is fighting extradition to the U.S. where he faces up to 175 years in prison on espionage charges over WikiLeaks' release of confidential diplomatic cables in 2010 and 2011. Download the NBC News app for breaking news and politics "Rohrabacher explained that he wanted to resolve the ongoing speculation about Russian involvement in the Democratic National Committee (DNC) leaks to WikiLeaks," Robinson said. "He said that he regarded the ongoing speculation as damaging to U.S.-Russian relations, that it was reviving old Cold War politics, and that it would be in the best interests of the U.S. if the matter could be resolved." In return, the men offered "some form of pardon, assurance or agreement which would both benefit President Trump politically and prevent U.S. incitement and extradition" for Assange, Robinson said in the statement. At the hearing Friday, James Lewis, prosecutor for the U.S. government, said: "The position of the government is we don't contest these things were said. We obviously do not accept the truth of what was said by others." [end of partial quote]

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cypherpunks list archive
by Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 19 Sep '20

19 Sep '20

A while back jim bell claimed to first notice that a good chunk of the archive from the 1990s was missing. The topic was discussed and nothing come it. jim bell spouted his usual technocratic garbage about how 'somebody' must have a copy of the archive on floppy disks, bla bla but of course none of the old subscribers (who are still subscribed like john young, hettinga, james donald, mirimir, etc) ever produced a backup. They never commented on the reasons why parts of the archive are missing. After a while jim bell stopped talking about the issue. I'd say he stopped talking about it all of a sudden. So, have 'you guys' who are US subjects got some friendly notice from your friendly nazi government or what? Or should I take this as an example of how amazin bell's beloved technofascist technology is, except that 'the technology' and the master cypherpunks who use it are so useless that they can't even keep a working backup of their own mailing list? Well, couple bell's suddden dropping of the subject with all the governmetn propaganda he constantly vomits and you get an entertaining picture....

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OpenPOWER EULA up for review - intends to be "libre-friendly"
by Zenaan Harkness 19 Sep '20

19 Sep '20

OpenPower EULA Released, FOSDEM, and More (Libre RISC-V M-Class by Luke Leighton) https://www.crowdsupply.com/libre-risc-v/m-class/updates/openpower-eula-rel… Several things in this update: the OpenPower Foundation released their EULA (which is really exciting); we had a last-minute decision to go to FOSDEM to meet NLNet (and meet lots of nice people including someone from the EU Commission); we have new team members helping out (and making really good progress). Before we begin, however, we still have a high-priority task of finding a C++/compiler developer for the NLNet-funded 3D MESA Driver project. EUR 50,000 is available, tax-free: this thread describes the scope, where you’re pretty much at liberty to choose the approach that you’d like to take. http://lists.libre-riscv.org/pipermail/libre-riscv-dev/2020-January/003302.… OpenPOWER Foundation Releases the Power ISA EULA This is a big deal: the EULA for anyone wishing to create a Power ISA compatible processor, it’s been designed to be “libre-friendly.” We will need to do a full review, and would appreciate feedback on it, via this bug report. A very quick read (like, right now): the really interesting bit is the combination of a royalty-free grant (as long as you are fully compliant with Power ISA) in combination with “if you initiate patent litigation, you lose all rights immediately.” This provides an extremely strong disincentive for patent trolls to “try it on.” It also actively encourages contributors to make sure that their work becomes an “official” part of Power, because that then gets them under the “umbrella” of protection as part of this EULA. https://openpowerfoundation.org/final-draft-of-the-power-isa-eula-released/ http://bugs.libre-riscv.org/show_bug.cgi?id=179 ...

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Stephen F. Cohen, pre-eminent contemporary American scholar of Russia & USSR, friend of Gorbachev & advisor to Bush, dies at 81 - [PEACE]
by Zenaan Harkness 19 Sep '20

19 Sep '20

Stephen F. Cohen is our pre-eminent Western scholar on Russia and the peace that all non-sociopaths seek, especially with our Russian brothers. Our condolences and our gratitude for Cohen's life work and his tireless voice of reason and sanity in this age of the apparent collapse of the USA empire. Stephen F. Cohen, pre-eminent contemporary American scholar of Russia & USSR, friend of Gorbachev & advisor to Bush, dies at 81 https://www.rt.com/usa/501133-stephen-cohen-russia-scholar-dies/ ... Breaking with many American academics and political commentators, Cohen was highly critical of Washington’s approach to Russia following the collapse of the Soviet Union. He warned of the dangers of NATO expansion and argued that much of the economic devastation seen in Russia during the 1990s could be traced to bad-faith policies and advice from the United States. His principled, and patriotic stand, led to smears from members of the think tank racket and both liberal and neoconservative interventionists, keen to stoke tensions with Moscow. Cohen was labelled a Putin apologist. He responded by saying that he saw him as being "in the Russian tradition of leadership, getting Russia back on its feet." After the election of Donald Trump, Cohen found himself in the crosshairs of the mainstream media for challenging the now-debunked Russiagate narrative, which he said was being used to sabotage bilateral relations and trigger a “new Cold War” with Moscow. ... The author of numerous books and countless articles, Cohen was a frequent guest on RT, where he often used his air time to sound the alarm over the dangerous state of US-Russia relations, lamenting that the hostility was both unnecessary and potentially calamitous. Stephen Cohen on how impeachment battle is impacting US-Russia relations http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQK7M7_GMDc ...

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Expected duration of the Corona virus threat?
by Georgi Guninski 19 Sep '20

19 Sep '20

What is the expected duration of the Corona virus threat? Not only death counts, include fear, social, technological and economic threats. And what is the mortality rate of common flu?

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Missing messages about AP in the Cypherpunks archive.
by jim bell 19 Sep '20

19 Sep '20

Here is a copy of an old message where somebody actually counted the daily messages in the Cypherpunks archive. You can see that there is a huge time period, months long, that APPEAR to have no messages at all. This evidences forgery of the archive. ----- Forwarded Message -----From: jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com>To: John Gilmore <gnu(a)toad.com>; CypherPunks <cypherpunks(a)lists.cpunks.org>; Tom Busby <tom(a)busby.ninja>; declan(a)well.com <declan(a)well.com>; Ryan Lackey <ryan(a)venona.com>Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019, 09:58:20 PM PSTSubject: Re: Your Cypherpunks archive John Gilmore hasn't responded to this. I think he should respond. It is unseemly for him to apparently lack concern that the Cypherpunks archive has been severely tampered with. I think he should strenuously object to such tampering, and he should demand that the person or persons responsible be exposed. Same for Tom Busby, who is now responsible for the archive. Same for Ryan Lackey. And Declan McCullagh, who should display interest into this whole sham, as well. They should also not merely willingly, but in fact enthusiastically, participate in this project. Jim Bell On Tuesday, December 10, 2019, 01:14:59 AM PST, jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> wrote: To John Gilmore, You expressed an idea that you didn't see a problem with YOUR copy of the CP archive. Well, it isn't clear whether YOUR copy is identical to the one currently maintained by Tom Busby. Below, is a list of dates, and the number of CP postings on each date. You can easily see that each day up to and including Feb 13, 1995, there are many tens of emails posted on CP. On February 14, there is only a single posting. The next postings are one each on May 11 and May 16, 1995. After that, the next posting is on July 11, 1995. And there are yet again many tens of postings each day from July 11 to December 31, 1995. Except, I guess, for a few days in December, 1995. So, for a period about 3 days short of 6 months, there were only two (2) messages posted. Tell me, is there a vast, 6-month hole in YOUR archive as well? Like, everybody on the CP list just went to sleep for a while, like in the British movie "Village of the Damned"? I'm thinking of the 1960 version. Village of the Damned (1960) Official Trailer - George Sanders, Peter Vaughan Movie HD | | | | | | | | | | | Village of the Damned (1960) Official Trailer - George Sanders, Peter Va... | | | Anyway, I think you will now agree that if this is a "conspiracy theory", it's a pretty damned GOOD conspiracy theory! So, what explains those missing 6-months-minus-3-days of emails? Jim Bell ----- Forwarded Message -----From: Punk - Stasi 2.0 <punks(a)tfwno.gf>To: "cypherpunks(a)lists.cpunks.org" <cypherpunks(a)lists.cpunks.org>Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019, 11:21:40 PM PDTSubject: Re: Your Cypherpunks archive Ok, I counted messages per day for jan-->dec 1995, and there is a continous hole which I first overlooked. Indeed 4 (almost) complete months are missing : march, april, may and june. From ~July 10 to the end of the year it seems fairly complete though. The messages are not perfectly ordered date-wise either. As a matter of fact the file for the year 95 also contains messages from 1996, 97, 99 (like this Date: Tue Sep 07 12:48:45 1999) and possibly more. I wrongly assumed that the 10,000 messages I first counter from february to december were evenly distributed but they are not. Still, there are virtually no references to Jim, AP and the like during July, August, September, October, November and December and those months are complete. day message count 1 Jan 95 17 2 Jan 95 25 3 Jan 95 68 4 Jan 95 57 5 Jan 95 47 6 Jan 95 95 7 Jan 95 70 8 Jan 95 19 9 Jan 95 58 12 Jan 95 83 10 Jan 95 56 11 Jan 95 65 13 Jan 95 51 14 Jan 95 19 15 Jan 95 39 16 Jan 95 39 17 Jan 95 50 18 Jan 95 63 19 Jan 95 62 20 Jan 95 77 21 Jan 95 45 22 Jan 95 45 23 Jan 95 45 24 Jan 95 41 25 Jan 95 51 26 Jan 95 67 27 Jan 95 55 29 Jan 95 54 28 Jan 95 36 30 Jan 95 43 31 Jan 95 57 1 Feb 95 48 2 Feb 95 40 3 Feb 95 31 4 Feb 95 22 5 Feb 95 44 6 Feb 95 60 7 Feb 95 65 8 Feb 95 97 9 Feb 95 69 10 Feb 95 71 11 Feb 95 28 12 Feb 95 42 13 Feb 95 72 14 Feb 95 1 11 May 95 1 16 May 95 1 11 Jul 95 29 12 Jul 95 97 13 Jul 95 150 14 Jul 95 64 15 Jul 95 36 16 Jul 95 30 18 Jul 95 62 17 Jul 95 71 19 Jul 95 53 20 Jul 95 70 21 Jul 95 84 22 Jul 95 33 21 Aug 95 61 23 Jul 95 32 24 Jul 95 42 25 Jul 95 32 26 Jul 95 47 27 Jul 95 47 28 Jul 95 56 29 Jul 95 43 30 Jul 95 31 31 Jul 95 88 1 Aug 95 80 2 Aug 95 39 3 Aug 95 67 4 Aug 95 47 5 Aug 95 12 6 Aug 95 15 7 Aug 95 52 8 Aug 95 34 9 Aug 95 49 10 Aug 95 78 11 Aug 95 64 12 Aug 95 34 14 Aug 95 42 13 Aug 95 15 15 Aug 95 32 16 Aug 95 50 17 Aug 95 92 18 Aug 95 82 19 Aug 95 43 28 Aug 95 46 20 Aug 95 43 22 Aug 95 35 23 Aug 95 77 24 Aug 95 88 25 Aug 95 65 26 Aug 95 36 27 Aug 95 39 29 Aug 95 60 20 Sep 95 194 30 Aug 95 44 31 Aug 95 50 1 Sep 95 58 2 Sep 95 28 3 Sep 95 66 4 Sep 95 64 5 Sep 95 74 6 Sep 95 92 7 Sep 95 96 8 Sep 95 71 9 Sep 95 33 10 Sep 95 48 11 Sep 95 42 12 Sep 95 79 13 Sep 95 79 14 Sep 95 79 15 Sep 95 82 19 Sep 95 133 16 Sep 95 70 17 Sep 95 53 18 Sep 95 91 23 Sep 95 44 21 Sep 95 108 30 Sep 95 54 22 Sep 95 116 24 Sep 95 50 25 Sep 95 68 26 Sep 95 103 27 Sep 95 90 28 Sep 95 65 29 Sep 95 64 1 Oct 95 50 2 Oct 95 79 3 Oct 95 60 4 Oct 95 56 5 Oct 95 72 6 Oct 95 65 7 Oct 95 26 9 Oct 95 120 8 Oct 95 57 10 Oct 95 83 11 Oct 95 106 12 Oct 95 94 13 Oct 95 73 14 Oct 95 43 15 Oct 95 73 16 Oct 95 48 17 Oct 95 49 18 Oct 95 101 19 Oct 95 79 20 Oct 95 45 21 Oct 95 35 23 Oct 95 77 22 Oct 95 53 24 Oct 95 125 25 Oct 95 98 26 Oct 95 23 27 Oct 95 71 28 Oct 95 35 29 Oct 95 23 30 Oct 95 24 31 Oct 95 60 1 Nov 95 77 2 Nov 95 48 3 Nov 95 73 4 Nov 95 57 5 Nov 95 81 6 Nov 95 49 7 Nov 95 77 8 Nov 95 46 9 Nov 95 64 10 Nov 95 51 11 Nov 95 40 12 Nov 95 3 13 Nov 95 48 14 Nov 95 69 15 Nov 95 69 16 Nov 95 57 17 Nov 95 66 18 Nov 95 50 19 Nov 95 43 20 Nov 95 25 21 Nov 95 57 22 Nov 95 67 23 Nov 95 53 24 Nov 95 39 25 Nov 95 31 26 Nov 95 35 27 Nov 95 34 28 Nov 95 68 29 Nov 95 68 30 Nov 95 117 1 Dec 95 115 2 Dec 95 98 3 Dec 95 85 4 Dec 95 2 8 Dec 95 1 12 Dec 95 65 11 Dec 95 7 13 Dec 95 77 14 Dec 95 52 15 Dec 95 19 16 Dec 95 54 17 Dec 95 24 18 Dec 95 45 19 Dec 95 44 20 Dec 95 8 22 Dec 95 11 23 Dec 95 45 24 Dec 95 40 25 Dec 95 29 26 Dec 95 30 27 Dec 95 19 28 Dec 95 66 29 Dec 95 54

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Unix: The First Ten Years of Machines
by grarpamp 19 Sep '20

19 Sep '20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwVu2BWLZqA The Incredible Machine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTlzaDgzPY8 The First Ten Years of Unix https://bsdimp.blogspot.com/2019/10/video-footage-of-first-pdp-7-to-run-uni… https://www.tuhs.org/ https://www.kryoflux.com/

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Edward Snowden with Joe Rogan #1536 2020-09-15
by grarpamp 19 Sep '20

19 Sep '20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z _Rl82OQDoOc Edward Snowden with Joe Rogan #1536 2020-09-15

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Should this be Part 11 of the Assassination Politics Essay? An inquiry to Declan McCullagh, who once was a journalist subscribed to the Cypherpunks email list
by jim bell 19 Sep '20

19 Sep '20

To: Declan McCullaghSeptember 18, 2020 Declan, I would say that there has been a lot of history between us over the last 20+ years, but the reality is that there has not been nearly ENOUGH "history" between us, The meaning of that will shortly become quite clear to the people reading this message on the current Cypherpunks (CP) list. You were a prominent person writing on the CP list in the mid-late 1990's, and aware of those events. You were certainly aware of the history of my Assassination Politics (AP) essay on that list: You will have had independent memories of those events, which unfortunately most of the current CP list subscribers probably don't: So, you don't have to entirely rely on the records that might exist on that history. You have the ability to identify discrepancies in any asserted history of those events. Put simply, you can help identify forgeries. To cut to the most-immediate issue here, I was recently discussing events with a couple of journalists, Brian Merchant and Will Stephenson, who are proposing to fact-check an article for the magazine, Harper's. They said it was on 'dark-web assassination markets', yet I have not yet even seen a text of this proposed article. So, obviously, I don't know if it's just a 'hit-job'. Or even if it is not that, an article that intentionally avoids mentioning my story involving the Federal Government's misconduct regarding me and the AP essay. To help inform them of the history behind the AP essay, and of course the CP list, and how it was treated by (among others, the Federal Government) I decided to look into a seeminly-tiny issue that I, myself, had long (20+ years) wondered above: When, exactly, did my AP essay appear, and especially when it appeared in comparison to the time the Feds had someone (Daniel J. Saban, perhaps owner of remodeling firm Sundown Development Construction) buy the house next to mine (theirs was 7302 Corregidor, Vancouver Washington 98664). Such I suspected the Feds of doing, suspected at least as early as 1997, and I had confirmed it to my satisfaction by May 2000: I found that the local property tax records shows that 7302 Corregidor had been sold as of March 1, 1995. The seller, John Hauer, was a local Vancouver science teacher, and he presumably was offered a Federal job with the Pacific Northwest National Laboratories in West Richland Washington. Being a teacher, it was very unlikely that he would accept a job elsewhere and effectively break the contract he had with the local school that employed him. Hauer was lured away to allow a Fed agent (Saban) to use that property as a spying operation, much as they did to Robert Hanssen, FBI spy. Put simply, how much a rush were they in, in doing that? See my 2003 lawsuit, James Dalton Bell, et al v. United States, et al | | | | James Dalton Bell, et al v. United States, et al | | | and its October 2004 Amendment, http://cryptome.org/jdb/jdb-v-usa-oct2004.pdf to see most of the underlying details. To recap, I recalled thinking of the idea, the one that would later be written into the AP essay, in early January 1995. At that time, it occurred to me that the residents of 49 states would be better off if a specific United States Senator, Robert Byrd of West Virginia, somehow woke up one day dead. But the problem is that no single such resident would want this outcome sufficiently much to do the task himself, or at least hire somebody to do that, Yet, I realized that if you could somehow totalize the "wants" of millions of people in this regard, you could conceivably offer this combined amount to somebody to accomplish what millions of people would have thought was a worthy deed. I expected that they WOULD have done so, except that they would have thought their entire lives that such a mechanism was impossible, I realized that it would be best if these amounts of money could be collected anonymously, so only the donors know who they are. Similarly, I understood that this amount should best be offered anonymously, so that only the person who deserves the award knows who he is. Thus, I simultaneously employed the concepts that would later be labelled "crowdfunding" and "crowdsourcing". Although, I don't claim to have invented either concept: See the funding for the base of the Statue of LIberty, and the "March of Dimes" charity, and also the research for the Oxford English Dictionary during about 1870-1930. I had read the August 1993 issue of Scientific American, and the article by David Chaum, cryptographer, that article describing not merely an experimental form of digital cash, but also form of cryptographic anonymity: These ideas, I believed and still believe, could be employed to accept money donations anonymously, accept what I called "predictions" about future outcomes, determine which predictor was correct, and subsequently make an anonymous payment to that predictor, But not only that, to do so in a way which will prove, without any doubt, to all donors and everyone else in the world, that the person who made the correct prediction (whoever he is) is actually being rewarded with the collected reward. Nobody could 'cheat'. Everyone would know that if he fulfilled his role in the arrangement, his own rights would be protected. These were concepts that would eventually be studied in the Ethereum syste, and especially the Augur program, Yet, nobody would actually have to know the identity of the predictor, except for himself. After a few weeks of intense consideration of this idea, mostly looking for possible flaws, I wrote Part 1 of what would eventually be the 10 parts of Assassination Politics. At the time, I was not aware of the existence of the Cypherpunks email list, although I must have been aware of the bare concept of an 'death market', the concept that the founders of Cypherpunks had extensively discussed in the early 1990's. Presumably, I had had a discussion with somebody, probably on the FIDOnet network to which I subscribed (?), on this subject. I was aware of a mailing list called 'Digitaliberty', which I think was founded by businessman Bill Frezza in December 1994, that promoted the concept of achieving freedom through technology. Excellent idea. Unfortunately, the AP essay was a bit too...well advanced for his tastes. Well, about a week ago, I decided to figure out a basic timeline regarding my release of the AP essay. I knew there was some sort of Cypherpunks Archive, maybe I had accessed it very briefly a few years ago. So, I did a Google-search for 'cypherpunks archive'. and found one: https://cryptoanarchy.wiki/blog/2018/07/05/the-cypherpunks-mailing-list-arc… And, then I found a list of various years' archives: https://mailing-list-archive.cryptoanarchy.wiki/ And then, the 1995 archive itself: https://mailing-list-archive.cryptoanarchy.wiki/archive/1995/ I was mystified by the seeming absence of the data for March, April, and June 1995. But in fact, the data is almost completely absent from February 14, 1995 through much of July, 1995. That looked somewhat like an accidental data omission. So, I tried looking at these individual months, and I discovered an astonishing thing: With the exception of a very tiny number of messages in the months of November and December 1995 referring to AP, I could find nothing of these following text strings elsewhere:"jim bell", "jimbell(a)pacifier.com", "AP", " AP "," Assassination Politics". There were a few exceptions to this seeming rule, and they were effectively even weirder: " ap " was present about 15 times, most of which occurred in the context of referring to "Associated Press", and in one case "killer ap" (yes, one 'p'). This archive alerts us to: http://cypherpunks.venona.com/raw/ I searched the 1995 for 'bell', and I got some references to Bell [telephone, or ATT, etc), there were a few postings by Cypherpunk Charles Bell (no relation, apparently), a reference to the "bell curve", "Blue Bell PA", Bellcore, Bell Atlantic, MaBellNet, Bell Labs, "opening bell" (senate), "regional Bell operating companies", "every rebellious human", "Pacific Bell", and finally, the 48'th "Bell" was "Pacific Bell". Curiously, the date of that message was Thursday, January 19, 1995. Then I was informed by Chrome browser that there were not merely 48 "bell"s, but in fact at least 453. Unfortunately the system is so slow, I don't have the patience to proceed, But at least so far, it does not appear that there are any references reflecting me, except a tiny number in November and December 1995. If somebody else searches, he should do it beginning in July and going, perhaps, to October. Do you see any? And, a study of the 1996 archive file, the number of "jimbell(a)pacifier.com" is large, so far at least 2,688. While I cannot exclude the possibility that some messages were tampered with in the 1996 archive file too, it certainly didn't fit the 1995 pattern. As of this point, except for a couple of trolls who temporarily challenged my conclusion, but who seem to have gone quiet, it appears that the current CP subscribers agree with me that the 1995 file has been severely tampered with. WHY THAT KIND OF TAMPERING WITH THE ARCHIVE FILE? I've said elsewhere that they were obviously not trying to erase the memory of the world as to the existence of the AP idea. But what they have done is extensively forged the history of the AP idea. I believe I know why. If you do a text search for ' "assassination politics" "1995" ', this means that you will find only documents which contain both data strings. While google reports about 2,010 results, it's likely that at least hundreds of sites report the AP essay as having been written as early as 1995. If my messages concerning AP in the CP archive were entirely erased in 1995, that would be quite inconsisent with virtually every source reporting that the idea was first published and discussed in that year. Leaving a handful of 1995 messages seemingly avoids this problem. You apparently weren't mentioned, either as an originator, a target, or a subject in the CP list 1992, 1993, 1994, nor before December 1995. However, given the massive forgery that the 1995 archive was given, it isn't clear when you showed up: Was it shortly after my AP essay was posted, approximately mid-February, 1995, or as late as it currently appears, December 17, 1995. Or somewhere in between? If you do a text search for 'declan' in the 1996 archive file, you get 3,328 hits, although there may be multiple hits for each posted message, When I search for 'declan b., I am seeing 430 hits, although this string appears both in postings by him, and postings to him. When I search for 'declan b.' in the 1995 archive file, I see 11 listings, and the earliest is December 18, 1995. With slightly more messages "to" you than "from" you. Can you help confirm the nature of the forgery of the 1995 Cypherpunks archive? Jim Bell Cy

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