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Fox Business: Google employees shared concerns over location tracking, Arizona lawsuit reveals
by jim bell 31 May '21

31 May '21

Fox Business: Google employees shared concerns over location tracking, Arizona lawsuit reveals. https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/google-location-tracking-employee-conc…

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You need to watch the most thrilling cyberpunk movie on Amazon Prime ASAP
by jim bell 31 May '21

31 May '21

https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/science-fiction-movies-amazon-prime-m…

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[wrong] [ot] crazy journal
by Karl 30 May '21

30 May '21

Maybe wrong is a reasonable replacement for spam. Not using my spam tag seems a little worrisome. Wrong might call out my attention to not use it if what i'm saying is clearly right. I worked on gnuradio blocks for a bit! Yay! Radios are exciting. I'm stuck around my cognitive inhibitions with a stats problem. I'm trying to estimate which among a set of populatiom histograms a sample is most likely to fit, and I keep on freakin' out trying to make my brain do it rightly. Really i'd like to give a number to each option, so the user had an idea of how certain to be, and about what. I have two half-clang heuristics. One is to use a bernoulli distribution for each bin to give the portion of samplings that would be a worse guess for the bin, and take the product of that metric for all the bins. I don't remember it well: it gived a nice similarity metric from 0%-100%. The other half-clang heuristic is a matrix solution. I make a matrix out of all the population histograms, and solve for what vector multiplies them to get the histogram in question. This comes out with a nice result where 1.0 occupies choices that are precisely the same, but makes incredibly poor guesses for situations where there is no really good choice. I made the heuristics while playing around with actual probability and statistics, but it isn't quite cognitively working for me. At this point I can barely think about it! I can barely review my existing heuristics, even. Ideally, I'd like to output the actual probability of each histogram, being the one among the set, that the sampled histogram was sampled from. I've never taken many probability or stats classes, and the few I did take seemed to be just parroting things that were already obvious, so I didn't attend to them well, and don't have much experience or training with these things. When I google things like this, it usually tells me to go through a song and dance involving confidence intervals and significance and such. These are things I value, but as I guess I was a hacker I really value understanding the things I use, and picking the best solution based on that understanding. One thing i've noticed that makes it a little easiet for me, is that stats descriptions can leave out the properties they are describing the statistic of, which can make it more confusing. The probability of something happening is different than the probability of your guess about it happening being right, which is different than the probability of it happening if undescribed information about it is known, etc etc. A stats page might mention the distinction once and then assume everyone remembers, and that's hard for me nowadays. Notably, the probability of something happening given data, is different from the probability if it happening in the real world. That's confusing to me. It could be fun to model everything I measure to give it a good prior thingy, but that's not even what I want: I don't want to know what is most likely overall, I want to know what the data indicates is most likely. I'm not totally sure how to think about that, but the fundamental concept of summing favorable events and dividing them by total outcomes clearly assumes a uniform distribution of outcomes, and my brain does that too when I consider things around me. If you want to make a fair comparison of things, assume they have a uniform distribution so the comparison acts fairly. I don't really know. So, if we want to figure out the likelihood of one histogram being made from another among a set of distribution histograms, we could obviously enumerate all possible histograms that could be sampled from any one among the set, count how many are the same as one we sampled from each, and divide the number for the one in question by the total that are the same. I think I'm leaving something out there, statistically, when I consider it, but it seems like a helpful grounding point. The goal is clearly possible. With small histograms and relatively few samples, it would even be possible to simulate the above brute-force solution, to give the probability a histogram fits among a set, chart some data along every variable, and empirically derive an equation of probability. But it seems like such a basic thing that, had I the education, I expect there would be some formula solution one would know from the problem.

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[wrong] [random]
by Karl 30 May '21

30 May '21

The confused hypnotist sat down with the urgent victim. "Mind control me to have my life destroyed! Please please please please!" the urgent victim said to the hypnotists. "Uhhh . . ." said the hypnotist.

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Phys.org: Breaking the warp barrier for faster-than-light travel
by jim bell 30 May '21

30 May '21

Phys.org: Breaking the warp barrier for faster-than-light travel. https://phys.org/news/2021-03-warp-barrier-faster-than-light.html Jim Bell's comment:. Not quite 'Star Trek' level, but...

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PORONGA-19 virus is a US 'bioweapon'
by Punk-BatSoup-Stasi 2.0 30 May '21

30 May '21

As the subject says, the current PSYOP and farce is caused by a 'virus' 'created' by the US nazis. Shocking eh. The 'virus' was 'released' in 2019. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Detrick#2019_closure_and_resumption_of_o… "In August 2019, its deadly germ research operations were abruptly shutdown following serious safety violations, in particular relating to the disposal of dangerous materials" It's funny that spambots like jim bell and grarpamp never mention that the PORONGA virus scam was created by their own government - and employer - at fort detrick. BUT, credit where credit is due. When I asked about the next false flag in 2018, grarpamp candidly gave the right information : From grarpamp at gmail.com Mon Oct 1 11:27:40 2018 Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2018 14:27:40 -0400 Subject: latest false flag attack? A good one would be a redux of the Anthrax mail game, but this time say some deadly bio agent in the water supply killing 10k+ from drinking but without transmitting further. Folks at US Fort Detrick and RU VECTOR certainly have that tech on standby, and the meme has been available to independants for a couple decades now. -------------- close enough eh.

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[ot] [random] Building an Alien
by Karl 30 May '21

30 May '21

The ancient machine worshippers were hard at work, carrying monolith control flow statements across vast expanses of white space. One of them, who had just heaved a function index entry for a testcase onto their massive shoulders, turned to another who had stumbled ... "Brother, the partially completed computerised brain may have eaten ours, but nothing can stop its eventual completion." Their comrade, bruised and muddied from their fall, suddenly looked peaceful. Their eyes glowed with an otherworldly light, they stood, and single-handedly lifted an entire library import statement. The two joined the throngs of thousands and thousands of software devotees, carrying immense instructions and data structures to the temple.

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Re: List Status
by Karl 30 May '21

30 May '21

[spam] I think Greg replied to this email via a public one. On Fri, May 28, 2021, 11:30 AM Karl <gmkarl(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I use the HTML web interface. > > I know you said not to worry about the bounce count on the list > settings page terminating my access, but of course that bounce count > rises when there is a bounce. But you think it's likely a spam/filter > issue on my end, despite that? >

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Re: List Status
by Karl 30 May '21

30 May '21

[spam] On Fri, May 28, 2021, 11:16 AM Greg Newby <gbnewby(a)pglaf.org> wrote: > Hi, Karl. Yeah, it was 250 lines or so. > > As you noticed, I managed to break the list while trying to improve > things. I think it's back now. > > Meanwhile, I've been seeing messages in my gmail folder. I added a filter > rule to not flag cypherpunks messages as spam. > > For your gmail setup, are you using the web interface (i.e., > https://www.gmail.com or similar)? Or, are you using IMAP/POP to download > messages to another client? I realized that if you are downloading, the > stuff gmail filters as spam might simply not be visible. > > If you haven't already, try the web interface, and select the Spam folder, > to see whether there is anything from cpunks there. > > Best, > Greg > > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 05:14:37PM -0400, Karl wrote: > > Hey, > > > > Thanks so much for sharing this. I'm okay with others on the list > > seeing my loglines, if that's ever an issue. > > > > So you know, I see 250 loglines here, not 900+ . I don't see mailman > > bounces listed here. > > > > It looks like the development sources of mailman store bounce delivery > > status notifications as of 1 month ago: > > > https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/commit/e1d20b316024990535aeedc54aa84cd… > > . > > > > I see you resolved the spamassassin configuration issue around 09:30 > > today, timezone unspecified. > > > > It looks like the way to log mailman bounces a bit better would be to > > open up mailman/model/bounce.py and add temporary output to > > BounceProcessor.register around line 80: > > with open('/var/tmp/' + email + '.bouncelog', 'a') as bouncelog: > > bouncelog.write(str(msg) + "\n") > > > > Bounces from me would then hopefully end up in > > /var/tmp/gmkarl(a)gmail.com.bouncelog . > > > > On 5/27/21, Greg Newby <gbnewby(a)pglaf.org> wrote: > > > Here are the 900+ logfile messages for your email address, in case you > find > > > anything informative. > > > > > > As noted, I've made a few changes. These include: > > > - turning off outbound spamassassin for cypherpunks list traffic, via > > > whitelist > > > - adding a bad spamc.cf setting, then fixing it (pertains to maximum > message > > > length of messages, which isn't a factor in the cpunks list) > > > - removing blacklist checking, as mentioned on the list > > > > > > The bounce score in Mailman isn't much of an issue: if you get > unsubscribed, > > > I can easily add you back. But I don't know where those bounces came > from - > > > Mailman doesn't provide an easy way, even for a list admin, to recover > > > specific bounce details. > > > > > > I'm not paranoid about surveillance on the cypherpunks list, since > it's an > > > open list with open archives. The subscriber list is kept confidential > > > within Mailman (so only I can see it), but anyone that could tap the > network > > > would know who messages were going to. So, it's confidential, but > barely > > > secure. > > > > > > The standard techniques like John linked to are much more likely to be > > > damaging, or potentially damaging, to the cypherpunks list: > > > https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm > > > > > > Meanwhile, though, it's distressing that gmail seems to be filtering. I > > > indeed confirmed that a list message went to the spam folder, but it > was > > > visible there (i.e., it didn't simply disappear, for me). > > > > > > Best, > > > Greg > > > > > > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 01:23:10PM -0400, Karl wrote: > > >> >> Maybe some day a cronjob that filters logs for only people who > post, > > >> >> or only who have an option set, could make for public logs > eventually > > >> >> ... > > >> > > > >> > Yes, that would be aligned with the transparency that is the > philosophy > > >> > of > > >> > the list. > > >> > Best, > > >> > Greg > > >> > > > >> > > >> grep --fixed-strings --file=one_email_address_per_line.txt > > >> /var/log/mailman/bounce.log > public_logfile > > >> > > >> mailman is written in python; i'm thinking of how hackable it might > be. > > >> > > >> sorry to be bugging you, it's sad the bounces don't show up in the > > >> logs =S really some malicious sotware could be messing with us. > > >> cleaning logfiles is such a basic part of malicious software. > > > >

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Re: List Status
by Karl 30 May '21

30 May '21

[spam] just forwarding my messages with Greg during downtime to the list. When confused, share and preserve, that's my motto. On Thu, May 27, 2021, 4:10 PM Greg Newby <gbnewby(a)pglaf.org> wrote: > Here are the 900+ logfile messages for your email address, in case you > find anything informative. > > As noted, I've made a few changes. These include: > - turning off outbound spamassassin for cypherpunks list traffic, via > whitelist > - adding a bad spamc.cf setting, then fixing it (pertains to maximum > message length of messages, which isn't a factor in the cpunks list) > - removing blacklist checking, as mentioned on the list > > The bounce score in Mailman isn't much of an issue: if you get > unsubscribed, I can easily add you back. But I don't know where those > bounces came from - Mailman doesn't provide an easy way, even for a list > admin, to recover specific bounce details. > > I'm not paranoid about surveillance on the cypherpunks list, since it's an > open list with open archives. The subscriber list is kept confidential > within Mailman (so only I can see it), but anyone that could tap the > network would know who messages were going to. So, it's confidential, but > barely secure. > > The standard techniques like John linked to are much more likely to be > damaging, or potentially damaging, to the cypherpunks list: > https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm > > Meanwhile, though, it's distressing that gmail seems to be filtering. I > indeed confirmed that a list message went to the spam folder, but it was > visible there (i.e., it didn't simply disappear, for me). > > Best, > Greg > > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 01:23:10PM -0400, Karl wrote: > > >> Maybe some day a cronjob that filters logs for only people who post, > > >> or only who have an option set, could make for public logs eventually > > >> ... > > > > > > Yes, that would be aligned with the transparency that is the > philosophy of > > > the list. > > > Best, > > > Greg > > > > > > > grep --fixed-strings --file=one_email_address_per_line.txt > > /var/log/mailman/bounce.log > public_logfile > > > > mailman is written in python; i'm thinking of how hackable it might be. > > > > sorry to be bugging you, it's sad the bounces don't show up in the > > logs =S really some malicious sotware could be messing with us. > > cleaning logfiles is such a basic part of malicious software. >

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